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building 440 for 600+ HP suggestions

Started by charger2fast4u, March 19, 2009, 11:40:37 PM

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charger2fast4u

i'm about to place the order for the TKO trans and am wondering if anyone knows if the crankshaft is 6 or 8 bolt that comes in the 505 stroker kit from 440 source? so i know what flywheel to get.

Long Island RT

I have the 512 kit from 440 source and I used their 130 toothed flywheel (6 bolt).  They do have an 8 bolt (hemi) crank, but it's got a 4.5" stroke and obviously you won't be able to use their steel flywheel.
I've heard they make 1000+ horsepower on the 6 bolt cranks so I don't imagine it being a strength issue.
1969 Dodge Charger RT Restomod<br />Triple Black, 512 stroker, Tremec TKO600 5-speed<br />2005 Dodge Magnum RT - Brilliant Black - Lowered

charger2fast4u

so all the 440's are 6 bolt cranks and all hemi's are 8 bolt? whats the advantages and disadvantages of a steel flywheel over a aluminum one? and a 130 and 143 toothed?

six-tee-nine

Ron,

About the overbore size, I have a 440 maying around that already is .030 over. So It's facing at least .040 probably even .060.
Sould I use it or is finding another core to use the better option if I want to go stoke it?
Greetings from Belgium, the beer country

NOS is nice, turbo's are neat, but when it comes to Mopars, there's no need to cheat...


firefighter3931

Quote from: six-tee-nine on April 02, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
Ron,

About the overbore size, I have a 440 maying around that already is .030 over. So It's facing at least .040 probably even .060.
Sould I use it or is finding another core to use the better option if I want to go stoke it?


You could allways have the block sonic checked....it's a worthwhile procedure on any stroker build and this will tell you if the block is a good candidate for a performance build...or not.  ;)


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

charger2fast4u

hey Ron i have a question with this build of 600+ hp and the tremec with a .64 overdrive what would be good gearing for the DANA 60 if i'm wanting more of a cruising gearing then racing gearing?

firefighter3931

Quote from: charger2fast4u on April 06, 2009, 07:39:49 AM
hey Ron i have a question with this build of 600+ hp and the tremec with a .64 overdrive what would be good gearing for the DANA 60 if i'm wanting more of a cruising gearing then racing gearing?

Tire diameter comes into play so the "right" gear depands on many factors ; OD ratio/tire diameter/engine powerband etc...


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

werner

I HAVE A 69 CHARGER 383 MOSIER 60 REAR AXLE WITH 3:73 GEARS AND A LOCKER AND 14 " TIRES. WORKS AND SHIFTS GOOD. HIGH RPM IS WHERE tko'S HAVE PROBLEMS SHIFTING. SMALL BLOCK PERFORMANCE ENGINES BEING WOUND UP OVER 6500RPMHAVE A HARD TIME IN THE 2 - 3 SHIFT. PUT THE HYD CLUTCH IN MINE AS WELL. iTS SO FAR THE BEST THING I HAVE DONE TO THE CAR. ITS FUN TO DRIVE WITH THE PISTOL GRIP NOW AS OPPOSED TO THE AUTO.
BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS FOR INSTALL WAS WORKING UNDER THE DASH PUTTING IN THE CLUTCH PEDALS, RESST OF THE INSTALL WAS BOLT IN EXCEPT FOR THE TRANNY TUNNEL. KEISLER SENT WRONG TUNNEL SHEET METAL TWICE BUT OTHER THAN THAT THEY ARE GREAT TO DEAL WITH.
I BUILT THE POWER TRAIN SRONG AS I HAVE A 440 THAT I WANT TO STROKE BUT JSUT RECENTLY HAVE THE OPERTUNATY TO GET A NEW 6.1 HEMI THAT I MIGHT INSTALL INSTEAD.
1969 dodeg charger, 528 hemi ,Tko 5spd.

charger2fast4u

Quote from: werner on April 14, 2009, 02:43:32 PM
I HAVE A 69 CHARGER 383 MOSIER 60 REAR AXLE WITH 3:73 GEARS AND A LOCKER AND 14 " TIRES. WORKS AND SHIFTS GOOD. HIGH RPM IS WHERE tko'S HAVE PROBLEMS SHIFTING. SMALL BLOCK PERFORMANCE ENGINES BEING WOUND UP OVER 6500RPMHAVE A HARD TIME IN THE 2 - 3 SHIFT. PUT THE HYD CLUTCH IN MINE AS WELL. iTS SO FAR THE BEST THING I HAVE DONE TO THE CAR. ITS FUN TO DRIVE WITH THE PISTOL GRIP NOW AS OPPOSED TO THE AUTO.
BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS FOR INSTALL WAS WORKING UNDER THE DASH PUTTING IN THE CLUTCH PEDALS, RESST OF THE INSTALL WAS BOLT IN EXCEPT FOR THE TRANNY TUNNEL. KEISLER SENT WRONG TUNNEL SHEET METAL TWICE BUT OTHER THAN THAT THEY ARE GREAT TO DEAL WITH.
I BUILT THE POWER TRAIN SRONG AS I HAVE A 440 THAT I WANT TO STROKE BUT JSUT RECENTLY HAVE THE OPERTUNATY TO GET A NEW 6.1 HEMI THAT I MIGHT INSTALL INSTEAD.

i just got my tko transmission today pretty salty price but i hope it is worth it. looks great i can't wait to get started on it. lucky for me my dash isnt in the car right now so it should be easy to get the pedals put on. do you know if you could reuse your stock brake pedal or no? so you had a good install with no problems other then them sending the wrong trans tunnel to you?

Long Island RT

I used the entire stock pedal assembly.  Just had to drill a new hole in the clutch arm just above the original.  It didn't line up properly to the hydraulic clutch master cylinder.
1969 Dodge Charger RT Restomod<br />Triple Black, 512 stroker, Tremec TKO600 5-speed<br />2005 Dodge Magnum RT - Brilliant Black - Lowered

charger2fast4u

Quote from: Long Island RT on April 15, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
I used the entire stock pedal assembly.  Just had to drill a new hole in the clutch arm just above the original.  It didn't line up properly to the hydraulic clutch master cylinder.

did you go from manual to manual? when you did the swap. i am going from an automatic to manual. i had my stock brake pedal powdercoated and would like to use that one with the clutch pedal they give me. also because the stock brake pedal looks more heavy duty then the one they give you in the kit plus it's original.

Long Island RT

I went from automatic to manual, however I bought a used set of stock pedals from a 4 speed b-body.  They bolted right in.  I think you'll have a hard time using the brake pedal from an automatic - it's too wide, and you will definitely have to use an aftermarket clutch setup.  I can't imagine that will be easy to set up - and will probably look out of place as well.

I think Brewers sells the stock 4-speed pedal assemblies.

1969 Dodge Charger RT Restomod<br />Triple Black, 512 stroker, Tremec TKO600 5-speed<br />2005 Dodge Magnum RT - Brilliant Black - Lowered