Fender Tag Dicussion

[426HemiCharger]

Some people think it is wrong for me to change my fender tag because I want to build my Charger "my way" to make it like I ordered it in 1969.  Some people are contaminating another thread with this dicussion so I want to be nice and let the person who started the thread have it back and it not be used as a battlefield. 

As I way saying: I want my fender tag to reflect options I want.  I was not going "lie" about it as some people have said also it is a "dishonest" thing and has nothing to do with " custom paint, custom exhaust, and such. That to me does not make any sense. Anyways these people say the fender tag is like the car's "identity.

[Troy]

Anyways these people say the fender tag is like the car's "identity.

That's because it is. Other than the VIN, which is the actual unique identification number, the fender tag and build sheet describe the car as it was built. What purpose is there to change it other than to pass the car off as something it isn't?

Troy

[69CoronetRT]

Some people think it is wrong for me to change my fender tag because I want to build my Charger "my way" to make it like I ordered it in 1969.  Some people are contaminating another thread with this dicussion so I want to be nice and let the person who started the thread have it back and it not be used as a battlefield. 

As I way saying: I want my fender tag to reflect options I want. I was not going "lie" about it as some people have said also it is a "dishonest" thing and has nothing to do with " custom paint, custom exhaust, and such. That to me does not make any sense. Anyways these people say the fender tag is like the car's "identity.

If it's all about YOU then go ahead and be a fraud. If YOU change anything on the tag to reflect YOUR self centered ways to get the car YOU would have ordered, YOU are lying and possibly perpetrating future fraud. It's not up to YOU to wave YOUR magic fender tag wand and change what some UAW team built. Rationalize and justify all you want. It's still wrong.

Change whatever you want to on the car; the color, the interior, the drive train, cut off the top and shorten the wheelbase for all I care but do not fake a fender tag.

As someome that, unknowingly, bought a car with a fake take, I have strong feelings about this. Changing tag codes is not a victimless crime. Somewhere down the line, it causes problems.

[bigcountry]

Think of your charger as a $1 bill, and the numbers in the corners are the fender tag, it tells the original value.  Now, what you are doing by changing the fender tag is the same thing as adding two zeros behind the one and trying to pass it off as something it is not, altering the original value.  It's a fake, phony, fraud.  You can change all of the options on the car you want to, just don't change the fender tag.  Even if the car has that option now, it didn't come that way.  And if you ever sell or trade your car and "forget" to disclose the changes made, intentionally or not, you are committing fraud, plain and simple. 

[nakita7]

Add the options you want and don't change the fender tag. Problem solved.

[Hemidog]

Add the options you want and don't change the fender tag. Problem solved.

why do you want to change the fender tag? To impress people?

[FastbackJon]

And if you ever sell or trade your car and "forget" to disclose the changes made, intentionally or not, you are committing fraud, plain and simple. 

Even if you did sell it and fully disclosed the tag was a fake to the next seller, then whose to say that seller is going to disclose it to the next guy. He probably won't, either out of dishonesty/greed, or he will forget.

I've seen this happen with the reproduction 66-67 Hemi spoilers. First guy sells the Charger on eBay stating the spoiler is a reproduction. Same car pops up a few months later stating the spoiler is original factory installed. Pretty low if you ask me.

[tan top]

   

[1969chargerrtse]

How can this even be a discussion?  It's obviously not the right thing to do.  In real important issues of the world , who cares?  Is it a fair and honest thing to do, because the car holds a value, no.  I plan on having a new tag made for my car.  I will do everything possible to get it correct in ways I am 100% sure my car came, but when I list the paint code it will be Y2 yellow even though the car is Orange, and the tic toc tach will not be on there as I added it even though there is no way to tell.  But that's me. I don't think you'll find many to agree with you , though others have done it, but it's wrong.

[426HemiCharger]

Well if I add options I want the fender tag will be wrong. I want the fender tag to match so the car will seem original. don't start now. I know I said it. I also said previous ly why would I lie about it. I have nothing to gain form it. I would tell people its not the original fender tag.

[hemigeno]

I want the fender tag to match so the car will seem original.

This statement clearly defines your intent to deceive.

I have nothing to gain form it.

Then why do it?

I would tell people its not the original fender tag.

Then why do it?


It's your car, you can modify it all you want to... bone stock, all-out custom, or anything in between.  Make the car into whatever you want, and with whatever options you want - it's your choice.  However, there is no bottom to the moral quagmire created when you misrepresent a car's factory-generated identifying information.  You're attempting to justify your actions as purely innocent, but there will be no sympathy for fraud around here.

[Chargerrtforme]

I want the fender tag to match so the car will seem original.

This statement clearly defines your intent to deceive.

I have nothing to gain form it.

Then why do it?

I would tell people its not the original fender tag.

Then why do it?
It's your car, you can modify it all you want to... bone stock, all-out custom, or anything in between.  Make the car into whatever you want, and with whatever options you want - it's your choice.  However, there is no bottom to the moral quagmire created when you misrepresent a car's factory-generated identifying information.  You're attempting to justify your actions as purely innocent, but there will be no sympathy for fraud around here.

[1969chargerrtse]

I want the fender tag to match so the car will seem original.

This statement clearly defines your intent to deceive.

I have nothing to gain form it.

Then why do it?

I would tell people its not the original fender tag.

Then why do it?


It's your car, you can modify it all you want to... bone stock, all-out custom, or anything in between.  Make the car into whatever you want, and with whatever options you want - it's your choice.  However, there is no bottom to the moral quagmire created when you misrepresent a car's factory-generated identifying information.  You're attempting to justify your actions as purely innocent, but there will be no sympathy for fraud around here.

I agree a 100%.  The only one you want to fool are the same people that have the knowledge to know the difference?  If records could be matched for Vin numbers compared to fender tag options, that tag would show your car to be a fake.  And that ain't good.

[1969chargerrtse]

Make it whatever you want and keep the original tag at home. Did you expect all this backlash?

[1969chargerrtse]

  Sorry.

[TeeWJay426]

HemiGeno said it best. Bottom line is, it doesn't matter what your intentions are- it's fraud, pure and simple. No different than changing a VIN or generating a phony build sheet.

[69charger2002]

And if you ever sell or trade your car and "forget" to disclose the changes made, intentionally or not, you are committing fraud, plain and simple. 

Even if you did sell it and fully disclosed the tag was a fake to the next seller, then whose to say that seller is going to disclose it to the next guy. He probably won't, either out of dishonesty/greed, or he will forget.

I've seen this happen with the reproduction 66-67 Hemi spoilers. First guy sells the Charger on eBay stating the spoiler is a reproduction. Same car pops up a few months later stating the spoiler is original factory installed. Pretty low if you ask me.

i agree 100% on this, and THIS is where the problem will lie. your intentions don't matter, whether they are good or bad. SOMEWHERE down the line, whether by you or your heirs, this car WILL get sold. who's to say the next owner will know what happened to your car or be told? is that fair to them?  if you have nothing to gain from it, take your original tag off and store it if it bothers you so much. and at shows make a big poster showing what upgrades/colors you have done to the car.. and if anyone asks why no fender tag, tell them because you didn't want to take a chance on getting it stolen? isn't that a much more honest and civil way of going about it?
trav

[426HemiCharger]

Sorry but that is a lie!


I had plans to do this long ago and without anyting but a little comment this happens

Plus no one had a problem with my resto before I said anything about this. 

[Sublime/Sixpack]

I.D. theft is becoming rather common these days but its still wrong, and so is changing the info on a fender tag.

[426HemiCharger]

You again! You had problems with me over which year Charger is better. Well it seems like the same certain group of people is pissed as usuall.  Well you can't please all of the people all of the time.



What you don't get is that I would not lie about the fender tag and I have no reason to.  I think that people should also look into the history of their Charger or before they buy it if they are unsure. 


How do you know your Charger's FT was an original, huh?

[hemigeno]

Sorry but that is a lie!

What is a lie?

Plus no one had a problem with my resto before I said anything about this. 

No one has any problem with your restoration - it's the fraud that we will never condone.


If you seriously want to keep people guessing about your car, restore it exactly the way you want with every desired option and with every factory-correct restoration trick in the book.  Then, leave the fender tag totally off the car.  Tell people you took it off for safekeeping, and that's 100% true.  If you don't volunteer info about what the original tag actually says, the people at the show will judge for themselves what should and/or shouldn't be on the car.  That way, you haven't misrepresented anything to anyone.  Problem solved.

[426HemiCharger]

Ok how about this. I get two fender tags made.



I get a repop with the original codes and paint it in its original color F3 and install it on the car. Then I get the second fender tag with the codes I want on it and then at shows that tag get attached to my poster or vise versa.

[FastbackJon]

You again! You had problems with me over which year Charger is better. Well it seems like the same certain group of people is pissed as usuall.  Well you can't please all of the people all of the time.

What you don't get is that I would not lie about the fender tag and I have no reason to.

The difference is that the answer to "which year Charger is better" is subjective. The answer to "should I create a fender tag that didn't exist" is objective.

Plus, how are you NOT lying about the fender tag if you make a fake one and put it on the car so people will think it was original?

[426HemiCharger]

Ok how about this. I get two fender tags made.



I get a repop with the original codes and paint it in its original color F3 and install it on the car. Then I get the second fender tag with the codes I want on it and then at shows that tag get attached to my poster or vise versa.

I would be wrong if I said you read this ^  or ?

[Sublime/Sixpack]

You again! You had problems with me over which year Charger is better. Well it seems like the same certain group of people is pissed as usuall.  Well you can't please all of the people all of the time.



What you don't get is that I would not lie about the fender tag and I have no reason to.  I think that people should also look into the history of their Charger or before they buy it if they are unsure. 


How do you know your Charger's FT was an original, huh?

OK, I'll respond to your statement:
- No I didn't have a problem with you over which year of Charger is better, I simply asked you a question about part of your post and you chose to take offense.
-I think most everyone on this board understands exactly what you are saying and why. In other words we understand your intentions we just disagree with your reasoning and your motives.
-You say people should look into the history of their Charger before they buy?  The fender tag is the history of the car!
-And how do I know my Charger's fender tag was original? I was there when the car was purchased NEW, it has never been modified or molested in any way and its very well documented.

Any other questions?

[hemigeno]

What you don't get is that I would not lie about the fender tag and I have no reason to. 

What you don't get is that everyone else in the hobby views a fraudulent tag as just that - fraud.  Whether you lie or don't lie about it being an original doesn't change the underlying fact you are creating a false identity for your car.

I think that people should also look into the history of their Charger or before they buy it if they are unsure. 


How do you know your Charger's FT was an original, huh?

It's for this very reason that the hobby as a whole should strongly discourage actions such as what you've proposed.  I'm comfortable that my cars are legitimate and can be proven as such.  However, cars which don't have the benefit of original paperwork derive a good portion of their value from the VIN and Fender Tag.  When people have a callous disregard for protecting the integrity of this information, it calls into question any car which doesn't have a bullet-proof pedigree.

Be proud of your car for what it was/is and what you will restore it to be.  Don't rely on fake fender tag codes to prop up your ego - it's not worth it, believe me.  In the end, deception will destroy any shred of credibility you might have.

I get a repop with the original codes and paint it in its original color F3 and install it on the car. Then I get the second fender tag with the codes I want on it and then at shows that tag get attached to my poster or vise versa.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, except for the remote possibility a future owner would try to pass off the fake tag as the original.  I'm not a huge conspiracy-theory type, but it does make things quite easy for someone else without your same commitment to honorable intentions    to remove the original and use the fake tag.

I still question why you'd want to worry about a fake tag in the first place.  It serves very little purpose except to confuse people and cast dispersions on your reputation (in some folks' eyes anyway).

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Wrong bottom line....how about spending your parents $$ on gas & insurance instead?

[69bronzeT5]

Is this kid serious? Do what you want with the car but keep the damn fender tag the same. Plain and simple. There's absolutely NO point in getting a fake fender tag made up. Like people have stated, put the options that you like ON THE CAR, not on the fender tag.

[69CoronetRT]

There's absolutely NO point in getting a fake fender tag made up.

Sure there are:
Fraud
Deceit
Ego

[moparstuart]

  i had a second tag made for fun but it clearly state clone right on my car       and it's mounted right next to the correct satelite tag for my car .

  here is another thread on the subject    
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,46949.0.html

[Stretch]

Having a fake tag made to show the options you would have ordered the car with serves no purpose other than to deceive the people who know how to read the fender tags. Think about it, you're not going to impress anyone that doesn't know how to read it in the first place. Now mater how you slice it it's nothing other than dishonest. 

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Based on exit polling, demographic analysis, and extensive computer modeling... CNN is prepared to put it's reputation on the line and declare a winner...   

[Davtona]

Based on exit polling, demographic analysis, and extensive computer modeling... CNN is prepared to put it's reputation on the line and declare a winner...   

[426HemiCharger]

You again! You had problems with me over which year Charger is better. Well it seems like the same certain group of people is pissed as usuall.  Well you can't please all of the people all of the time.



What you don't get is that I would not lie about the fender tag and I have no reason to.  I think that people should also look into the history of their Charger or before they buy it if they are unsure. 


How do you know your Charger's FT was an original, huh?

OK, I'll respond to your statement:
- No I didn't have a problem with you over which year of Charger is better, I simply asked you a question about part of your post and you chose to take offense.
-I think most everyone on this board understands exactly what you are saying and why. In other words we understand your intentions we just disagree with your reasoning and your motives.
-You say people should look into the history of their Charger before they buy?  The fender tag is the history of the car!
-And how do I know my Charger's fender tag was original? I was there when the car was purchased NEW, it has never been modified or molested in any way and its very well documented.

Any other questions?

I'll answer each in detail
- You should have been more clear because it seemed like an attack.
- I agree, everyone is entitled to their opinion including you and me
- The fender tag is the options orderd and is only part of the history.  The real history is the way the owner(s) treated the car, what they did, etc.
- That answers my question but how come my fender tag doesn't say A01 but has a light package?

[426HemiCharger]

There's absolutely NO point in getting a fake fender tag made up.

Sure there are:
Fraud
Deceit
Ego

Way to get on my badside!

[426HemiCharger]

Based on exit polling, demographic analysis, and extensive computer modeling... CNN is prepared to put it's reputation on the line and declare a winner...   

This is just too funny!