"Frame off resto"---can apply to Mopars now.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I guess the term "frame off resto" wont apply to just Chebbies any more 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270367168818&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=

[BIRD67]

  Yeah, good luck there! I wouldn't even buy that for a Chebbie! Besides, what if someone wants to restore the car back to stock, how the hell will they do that with all the 2x4 steel tubes?

[captnsim]

Um...ah...no way would I hack a car like that...to put that crappy frame in.   

[bull]

Um...ah...no way would I hack a car like that...to put that crappy frame in.   

Why not? What's the problem? People have been putting various car bodies on Corvette frames for decades.

[Ghoste]

I never understood that either.

[The70RT]

If you could save a car with rusted rails, why not.

[Mike DC]

       

I'd go for an Art Morrison frame (involving non-original floors though) before I'd do that one.  That one looks like too little chassis stiffness for the bargain. 

[mauve66]

it won't be a "frame off RESTO' due to the fact that RESTORED means "taking it back to original" this isn't original................. it can however be RESTIFIED

[Aero426]

That frame is the answer to a question no one is asking.   I don't get it.

[bull]

That frame is the answer to a question no one is asking.   I don't get it.

Just because you're not asking it doesn't mean no one is.

[Ghoste]

If a car is rusty enough to need that abortion and it's worth saving, wouldn't it be worth doing properly?

[moparstuart]

 looks like the boyd coddington way           RIP     

[Old Moparz]

I like the idea. 

Looking at the photos, I can see why some people would disapprove. It looks rough underneath, but it seems that it's just a test fit or a display to show the product. With all the aftermarket sheet metal available, it's not a bad idea to offer a chassis to put it on now. Sure it isn't correct, but then neither is the rack & pinion steering, the rear end, the Viper motor, & other stuff. I bet it's stronger than a stock set up & stiffens up the car immensely.

A lot of people are modifying older cars to make them more fun & comfortable to drive. If I had wanted to repair a car so badly rusted that the frame rails & floors all needed to be replaced, why would I spend the money replacing a stock set up if it rides like a 40 year old clunker? I'll consider that chassis under my Coronet convertible since ragtops sag in the middle when you jack them up. If you want stock, then obviously this is not the way to go, but I see it as a good thing.

[chargerhunter]

I would do it to my non-matching numbers, ex-drag car, saw zaw diet '68 with '69 quarters...Charger. It was a fiberglass seat, motor, cage and body when I bought it..so what would this hurt..

[bull]

It's not just a frame, it's a "complete front and rear suspension, coil-over shocks and springs, cross drilled 13" rotors, 4 piston Wilwood calipers front and rear, aluminum Ford 9" center section rear-end with steel axle tubes, Mustang II power rack, front and rear splined sway bars, and all hubs are packed and ready to go." It already has a lot of items included that the mod guys like. I don't see myself ever going this route but I know there are lots of guys out there who would.

[Mopar2Ya]

Great more cut up Mopars, & w/Phord parts too. 

[bull]

Great more cut up Mopars, & w/Phord parts too. 

Ford 9" rear ends are commonly found in many street rods and drag cars, not just Fords.

[JR]

And what exactly was the point of engineering a new frame for our unibody cars? Especially one that appears to have less structural ridigity than a wet noodle.

My brain hurts trying to make sense of this.

[Mike DC]

That's where I'm coming from. 

I can understand the idea of a separate ladder frame for a B-body, but the particular one for sale in this thread does not look like it would be very torsionally stiff.

[Old Moparz]

How could it NOT be stiff?

There's a cross support in front of the engine bay, another below the engine, one at the center of the vehicle, one below the rear seat, one almost above the rear end housing, & one at the very end at the rear of the car.

That makes 6 if I can still count. 

Another thing is they show the original stock frame rails in parallel to the new frame. There is no way possible that can't be stronger or more rigid than an old, flexible uni-body car that uses sheet metal instead of a frame.

[chargerhunter]

I have been looking at the Art Morrison frames where you basically cut the entire floor pan out and fab a new one after setting the body on, I like this design better. Seems rigid enough for me as long as that is 4" tubing.

x2 on attaching to the frame rails.

[Mopar2Ya]

Great more cut up Mopars, & w/Phord parts too. 

Ford 9" rear ends are commonly found in many street rods and drag cars, not just Fords.

Very true. IMO, on a Mopar I'd use a Dana, there are lots of choices.

And what exactly was the point of engineering a new frame for our unibody cars? Especially one that appears to have less structural ridigity than a wet noodle.

My brain hurts trying to make sense of this.

Me also, I'd think an integrated frame connecting the existing unibody makes more sense. JMO.

[chargerhunter]

This is their "basic" frame design, you can modify it to suit your needs. I would add a few supports across the frame as well, the 9" Ford, Dana 60, 8.75 rear whatever you want they will do..Cost wise the 9" Furd rear is hard to beat and bullet proof! 

[Bobs69]

My first response was "boy that's a good deal".  Considering an alterkation kit is a few thousand at least by itself.  It seams economical???  Meaning you get lots of goodies to go with it.

[Mike DC]

   
Crossmembers & thick parts do not make a frame stiff if the design basically doesn't lend itself to stiffness. 

You can look underneath any fullsize 1970s pickup and find a ladder frame that's plenty thick, big, and crossmembered.  But they still flex like hell. 


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The frame in the thread probably won't be terrible, but I still don't think it's really an optimal usage of the idea. 


     

[chargerhunter]

Mike,

Not trying to start a pissin' match but GMC's and Chevy's for 67-72 were two different animals! GMC wanted their trucks portrayed as the "work truck" of GM and used rear leaf springs, the Chevrolet were like the Silverado of it's day. They used rear trailering arms and a panhard bar. Many times the frames cracked where the trailering arms attached because of the force put on them, you had a rear end on the Chevrolet that floated like an air biscuit with the trailing arms. A lot different than what this company is building..

[bamadukefan02]

I would bet the car would be stiffer than stock since that frame ties into the existing unibody instead of removing it.  If you cut out the whole floor pan and then tried to use that thing it might be trouble.  The way it is its almost like subframe connectors

[Mike DC]

 
. . . except that this new separate frame involves hacking away the stock subframe rails entirely. 

[1970Moparmann]

You have to give these guys credit though.  "We can build a frame in three days", and make like $6,000??  The reserve wasn't met at $4,500.  That's some good money..... 

[BB1]

Great Idea, I was wondering if that was possible. 

[Mike DC]

         
A full frame is possible if you hack the car enough. 


But it's probably also possible to make a Charger into a helicopter if you hack the frame enough, too.  That doesn't answer whether it's a good idea or not.  Or whether you carried it out well or not. 




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Am I the only one who sees some torsional twisting going on here, just from sitting on unlevel ground?

[dodgecharger-fan]

maybe. Or is it an optical illusion caused by the line between the concrete and asphalt cutting through the picture at an angle?

Maybe a bit of both.

[chargerhunter]

If you look at the distance between the front wheels and edge of asphalt you can see the chassis is sitting there at an angle, basically the two paving medias are playing with your eyes..

[Doright]

I thought there was a guy or company up in Canada? that was building cars with new reengineer frame mods and suspension upgrades with the new Hemi installed these guys up there had engineers working for them with mega bucks behind them.
Making Old cars new again. They took and found what our cars needed too handle and were even making kits for upgrades I thought?
They spent thousands of man hours figuring out true set ups for Mopars that work and work well.
I would use one of there set ups before even thinking about any one else's, They backed up there claims with real data and real world track testing as well.

It Takes a heck of a lot more than just some steal and a torch with Tube control arms to make any car handle properly whether it be for the street or the track. 
Regardless of what you read in the Rags.

I will keep mine just as MaMopar built it.

[Mike DC]

I thought there was a guy or company up in Canada? that was building cars with new reengineer frame mods and suspension upgrades with the new Hemi installed these guys up there had engineers working for them with mega bucks behind them.
Making Old cars new again. They took and found what our cars needed too handle and were even making kits for upgrades I thought?
They spent thousands of man hours figuring out true set ups for Mopars that work and work well.
I would use one of there set ups before even thinking about any one else's, They backed up there claims with real data and real world track testing as well.

You're referring to XV Motorsports.  They're for real. 

This frame is not one of their products.  They basically still use the stock factory unibody, they just change a lot of bolt-on stuff and weld some additional bracing to the factory chassis. 




This item seems like a suitable way to fix a rustbucket for a fun cruiser but it just doesn't look like a real performance improvement over the stock car. 


   

[Blown70]

Wow, remind me not to post pics of my 70 tube Chassis pro-street on this thread.....YIKES>...

[bull]

Wow, remind me not to post pics of my 70 tube Chassis pro-street on this thread.....YIKES>...

You can post it for my benefit. I'm not a hater!

[Blown70]

Wow, remind me not to post pics of my 70 tube Chassis pro-street on this thread.....YIKES>...

You can post it for my benefit. I'm not a hater!

Seen before, but really a very heavily modifed car... eh....keep in mind before this happenend this car was totaled..... before all them there good parts were avial.....

[chargerhunter]

I love it! 

[Charger440RDN]

I like it!! looks like a lot of work though.