New 01

[tin_soldier]

Just saw this on msn.com   I guess it was at the sema show.  any one have any better pics or info on it.  Form this angle it looks like a 2 door.



http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4023554&s=SEMA2005&src=News

[Blown70]

Did they make that into a TWO door?

[PocketThunder]

Yep

"There were also examples of customized Dodge Magnums, classic Dodge Chargers and even a Jeep Grand Cherokee in the Mopar Speedshop, and plenty of other Chrysler products could be found in other displays. These included a chopped 2-door Chrysler 300 and a 2-door Dodge Charger painted to look like a modern-day version of the car from the Dukes of Hazzard TV series, the General Lee. "

[Ghoste]

Well, that's just stupid.  Everyone knows that marketing has told them that there is absolutely no way that anyone on the face of the entire planet will ever buy a stinking two door so don't build one, design one, or hint about them or conceptualize them, and above all, never, ever, ever, EVER admit you may have made a mistake.

[451-74Charger]

They will call it  a "Custom shop Concept" and never admit they even thought about a 2door.

[Ghoste]

It would be kind of funny to see the public and magazines all go nuts over the two door though, wouldn't it?
Personally, I still find it unattractive but it would be funny to see Creed eat crow.

[451-74Charger]

My wife likes the 2 door, so I guess that maybe a selling point for us, if they ever release it, buit she knows I hate the 4 door, and wouldnt even have one, even with our HUGE discount we get. (her company have the Charger as a Rep car, but everyone hates them)

[Ghoste]

I like the grille better too.  Odd, the Dakota grille is another point that is frequently picked on by those of us who don't like the car.

[Charger_Fan]

Just saw this on msn.com ?  ?I guess it was at the sema show. ? any one have any better pics or info on it. ? Form this angle it looks like a 2 door.

Here's a thread showing different angles & also some of the other cars in PT's post; http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,5263.0.html

[Orange_Crush]

Well, that's just stupid.   Everyone knows that marketing has told them that there is absolutely no way that anyone on the face of the entire planet will ever buy a stinking two door so don't build one, design one, or hint about them or conceptualize them, and above all, never, ever, ever, EVER admit you may have made a mistake.

The car was not built or sanctioned by DCX, it was built by WCC. 

[Orange_Crush]

Well, that's just stupid.   Everyone knows that marketing has told them that there is absolutely no way that anyone on the face of the entire planet will ever buy a stinking two door so don't build one, design one, or hint about them or conceptualize them, and above all, never, ever, ever, EVER admit you may have made a mistake.

BTW, sales of the car prove that they DIDN'T make a mistake.

[Orange_Crush]

LOL thats because the numbers include 300's and Magnums too! Nothing like massaging numbers to make it look good.

Nope...that's just Chargers my man.

They sold 7,119 Chargers, 2500 Magnums, and about 10,000 300s in October.

[Shakey]

Those Charger sales numbers don't surprise me at all.  I figured they would be pretty good.  After all, it is a new, RWD V-8, 4dr sedan that is reasonably priced and not over sized.

[41husk]

They would have doubled sales if it were offerd in a two door as well

[dodgecharger-fan]

That's a lot of taxi cabs. 


As much as that car leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, I will likely be driving one...
it is on the list of company cars where I work.

It's the Charger or an Impala, or a GrandPrix 

[andy74]

new impala is pretty nice, but i would have to drive the chargermagnum if given those 3 options

[Ghoste]

Well, that's just stupid.   Everyone knows that marketing has told them that there is absolutely no way that anyone on the face of the entire planet will ever buy a stinking two door so don't build one, design one, or hint about them or conceptualize them, and above all, never, ever, ever, EVER admit you may have made a mistake.

BTW, sales of the car prove that they DIDN'T make a mistake.

Riiiiiiight.

[Orange_Crush]

Well, that's just stupid.  Everyone knows that marketing has told them that there is absolutely no way that anyone on the face of the entire planet will ever buy a stinking two door so don't build one, design one, or hint about them or conceptualize them, and above all, never, ever, ever, EVER admit you may have made a mistake.

BTW, sales of the car prove that they DIDN'T make a mistake.

Riiiiiiight.

Well please...educate me on the intricacies of how a car that is blowing away its sales projections is actually a failure...

Lets see here...

They say they are expecting to sell 60,000 units in a year

They have sold 30,840 units in five months with sales increasing by an average of a thousand units a month.

So please, tell me exactly what mistake they should be admitting to. 

So tell me about this place where up is down, its dark during the day, and Mustanghater displays good judgement.

[Ghoste]

Shipped and sold are two different things and I keep asking where these tens of thousands of cars have been sold at because I haven't seen more than 6 on the road since they came out. That isn't just cruising around Mayberry here either.  I put several thousand miles on the road since that car came out through Ontario and the northeastern US.  That is why I have asked before if they are all going to the west or south.  I see lots and lots gathering dust at the dealerships.
I'm sure they are building them like nobody's business and I'm equally sure that anyone looking for a nice four door family car will look at one and they will sell.  Breaking records?  I'm about a year out from being forced to eat crow on that one my friend.
I'll stand by my statement for now.  With the amount of money Chrysler put into promoting this, there is no way they'll admit defeat at this point.  A slaes failure?  No.  But I don't for second believe it's their best seller yet.
I do stand corrected on the DCX seeing their error comment.  I didn't realize someone else built the concept.  Of course, my sarcastic never say your wrong post has a lot of truth to it in the case of this car though so I should have realized they didn't build it from the start.

[Orange_Crush]

Shipped and sold are two different things and I keep asking where these tens of thousands of cars have been sold at because I haven't seen more than 6 on the road since they came out. That isn't just cruising around Mayberry here either.   I put several thousand miles on the road since that car came out through Ontario and the northeastern US.   That is why I have asked before if they are all going to the west or south.   I see lots and lots gathering dust at the dealerships.
I'm sure they are building them like nobody's business and I'm equally sure that anyone looking for a nice four door family car will look at one and they will sell.   Breaking records?   I'm about a year out from being forced to eat crow on that one my friend.
I'll stand by my statement for now.   With the amount of money Chrysler put into promoting this, there is no way they'll admit defeat at this point.   A slaes failure?   No.   But I don't for second believe it's their best seller yet.

Shipped and sold ARE two different things.  According to Chrysler, they have SOLD that many Chargers.

In addition, no one ever said this was going to be their best seller...that's the 300.  No one said it was gonna break any records either.

They're selling plenty of 'em.  I've seen a bunch here in Charlotte as well as in  Atlanta, Birmingham, Talladega, Columbus, GA, and Orlando.  All cities I have been to in the past month.

I'll catch up with you in...lets say June of next year.  By that point, there wiill be a year of sales under their belt.

[Ghoste]

Fair enough.  If I do have to admit defeat on that point though, I still ain't putting on a sheep suit and buying one.  No sales numbers or performance stats will ever stop me from seeing that thing as very ugly family car.

[bull]

Shipped and sold are two different things and I keep asking where these tens of thousands of cars have been sold at because I haven't seen more than 6 on the road since they came out. That isn't just cruising around Mayberry here either.   I put several thousand miles on the road since that car came out through Ontario and the northeastern US.   That is why I have asked before if they are all going to the west or south.   I see lots and lots gathering dust at the dealerships.
I'm sure they are building them like nobody's business and I'm equally sure that anyone looking for a nice four door family car will look at one and they will sell.   Breaking records?   I'm about a year out from being forced to eat crow on that one my friend.
I'll stand by my statement for now.   With the amount of money Chrysler put into promoting this, there is no way they'll admit defeat at this point.   A slaes failure?   No.   But I don't for second believe it's their best seller yet.

Shipped and sold ARE two different things.   According to Chrysler, they have SOLD that many Chargers.

In addition, no one ever said this was going to be their best seller...that's the 300.   No one said it was gonna break any records either.

They're selling plenty of 'em.   I've seen a bunch here in Charlotte as well as in   Atlanta, Birmingham, Talladega, Columbus, GA, and Orlando.   All cities I have been to in the past month.

I'll catch up with you in...lets say June of next year.   By that point, there wiill be a year of sales under their belt.

So what? It's still a joke. I've seen two on the streets in the Portland area among all the other 4-door whatevers that all look the same. Are you a self-appointed '06 apologist because you actually think it does the Charger name any justice or do you do it for the antagonism factor? I see nothing about the car that would make anyone as passionate about changing minds as you. Who really cares? It's another run of the mill sedan that a bunch of stoic Germans misnamed.

[Orange_Crush]

Fair enough.   If I do have to admit defeat on that point though, I still ain't putting on a sheep suit and buying one.   No sales numbers or performance stats will ever stop me from seeing that thing as very ugly family car.

And I support you completely in that.   

[Orange_Crush]

Shipped and sold are two different things and I keep asking where these tens of thousands of cars have been sold at because I haven't seen more than 6 on the road since they came out. That isn't just cruising around Mayberry here either.   I put several thousand miles on the road since that car came out through Ontario and the northeastern US.   That is why I have asked before if they are all going to the west or south.   I see lots and lots gathering dust at the dealerships.
I'm sure they are building them like nobody's business and I'm equally sure that anyone looking for a nice four door family car will look at one and they will sell.   Breaking records?   I'm about a year out from being forced to eat crow on that one my friend.
I'll stand by my statement for now.   With the amount of money Chrysler put into promoting this, there is no way they'll admit defeat at this point.   A slaes failure?   No.   But I don't for second believe it's their best seller yet.

Shipped and sold ARE two different things.   According to Chrysler, they have SOLD that many Chargers.

In addition, no one ever said this was going to be their best seller...that's the 300.   No one said it was gonna break any records either.

They're selling plenty of 'em.   I've seen a bunch here in Charlotte as well as in   Atlanta, Birmingham, Talladega, Columbus, GA, and Orlando.   All cities I have been to in the past month.

I'll catch up with you in...lets say June of next year.   By that point, there wiill be a year of sales under their belt.

So what? It's still a joke. I've seen two on the streets in the Portland area among all the other 4-door whatevers that all look the same. Are you a self-appointed '06 apologist because you actually think it does the Charger name any justice or do you do it for the antagonism factor? I see nothing about the car that would make anyone as passionate about changing minds as you. Who really cares? It's another run of the mill sedan that a bunch of stoic Germans misnamed.

And are you so thick-skulled that, whether you like the car or not, you can't seem to admit that it is selling well?  Is your opinion (because that is, after all what it is) so grand in your own head that the concept that someone may actually LIKE the damned thing actually turns your stomach the way it seems to?

I don't really give a rat's ass whether you like the car or not.  I do, you don't...whoop-de-shit.  I hate e-bodies, many people like them...again...whoop-de-shit.

I have no beef with people who don't like the car, my beef is with people who seem to completely discount FACTS because they don't seem to coincide with the opinion in their heads.

I'm not an '06 apologist...that implies that there is something that requires an apology.  The name was theirs to do with what they wanted to, as is the Hemi name, the R/T moniker, the "go-mango" name and every other trademark that  is rightfully theirs.  If they want to put it on a scooter, that's their prerogative.  The car is excellent on its own merit.  345 horses, V-8, Rwd, etc.  You don't have to like it...lots of other people do.

[tin_soldier]

Well again another thread shot due to the seemingly forever battle for the love or lack there of of th 05/06 Chargers.  

Man I just was intressed in the chopped 01.   Thought it might spur some love for the new design.   But I see there is plenty of hate still floating about.     

[ChargerBill]

Well please...educate me on the intricacies of how a car that is blowing away its sales projections is actually a failure...

Blowing away? Put down the crack pipe... Do you also tell women that TicTacs are an inch long? Talk about exaggeration... Blowing AWAY?

It is till VERY UGLY... And not just plain ugly - I mean, red headed step child fell out of an ugly tree and hit EVERY branch before landing face first in a pile of dog crap UGLY.

And that big wheeled bling version of the new '06 Creeder 01 is a crime...someone should be shot. '06 Creeder 01...did I mention it was UGLY?


Oh wait, you contradicted yourself...my apologies...

In addition, no one ever said this was going to be their best seller...

BTW: that's because it's SOOOO UGLY!!

[Orange_Crush]

Well please...educate me on the intricacies of how a car that is blowing away its sales projections is actually a failure...

Blowing away? Put down the crack pipe... Do you also tell women that TicTacs are an inch long? Talk about exaggeration... Blowing AWAY?

Sounds more like something you'd do slick...

It is till VERY UGLY... And not just plain ugly - I mean, red headed step child fell out of an ugly tree and hit EVERY branch before landing face first in a pile of dog crap UGLY.

And that big wheeled bling version of the new '06 Creeder 01 is a crime...someone should be shot. '06 Creeder 01...did I mention it was UGLY?

See billy...that's what we in the "educated" set refer to as an "opinion."  It is not a "fact."  Plenty of people seem to like the car and are therefore buying it.  It is what is known as "voting with your wallet."  If they had only sold 10,000 Chargers instead of the 30,000 they have sold, then I would say "Bill, you are right" but, since they HAVE sold 30,000 copies, I think (as usual) the world inside your head is not jibing with the world outside your door.

[greenpigs]

I kinda like it, if they built a 2 door I would have got one, why can't they make a 2 and a 4 door?

[Johnny SixPack]

[ChargerBill]

Hey OC, did I memtion it was UGLY? C'mon, admit it...don't you think it's hideous? I mean, it should have it @$$ shaved and the rare few new owners should be forced to drive it backwards. But wait, then t would look like a GALANT going backwards down the street...that might NOT be a good idea. Hey, it's a freakin' MONSTROSITY!!

Plenty of people seem to like the car and are therefore buying it.   It is what is known as "voting with your wallet."  

Good point, but you see slick there are a lot of UGLY chicks out there that other people are dating too...that doesn't make them any better looking, it just means that there are guys out there who can't do any better. Personally, I don't see the point in driving the UGLY version when there are better looking options out there.

[Shakey]

Seems like there a lot of people here speaking from their heart, rather than their head!

I've always been taught, a fact is a fact!

No disputes on that is there?

[dodgeboy67]

WELL, I STILL THINK ITS A SEMI OK LOOKING CAR.....BUT THEY SHOULDA CALLED IT THE MONNACCO OR MIRADA, OR DIPLOMAT OR ASPEN OR SOMETHING NOBODY REALLY CARED ABOUT........LETS FACE IT GUYS, IF IT WASNT CALLED CHARGER ,  WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS.... IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER CAR ON THE MARKET , THAT YOU EITHER LIKE, OR DISLIKE.....SO YOU CAN EITHER BUY IT OR NOT

[ChargerBill]

Seems like there a lot of people here speaking from their heart, rather than their head!

I've always been taught, a fact is a fact!

No disputes on that is there?

No disputes there at all. The fact is, IT'S UGLY!!

[my73charger]

I kinda like it, if they built a 2 door I would have got one, why can't they make a 2 and a 4 door?

I would buy one to if they were available in a two door, but Germans don't care about cool...evidently.  They would rather cater to a bunch of preppy wannabees I guess.

[Shakey]

Seems like there a lot of people here speaking from their heart, rather than their head!

I've always been taught, a fact is a fact!

No disputes on that is there?

No disputes there at all. The fact is, IT'S UGLY!!

Ummm, sorry Bill, that would be classified as either a belief or an opinion!

[my73charger]

new impala is pretty nice, but i would have to drive the chargermagnum if given those 3 options

Hey Andy, what color code is your car.  It looks good with the black top.  I am going for that look when I paint.

[my73charger]

There is this guy in my town that is driving one and I cannot wait to pull up next to him and leave him setting.  He drives around like he is a badass.  He probably never owned a REAL Charger.

[Shakey]

There is this guy in my town that is driving one and I cannot wait to pull up next to him and leave him setting.   He drives around like he is a badass.   He probably never owned a REAL Charger.

What does he do that makes him look, feel or think he is a badass?

Tunes cranked, arm hanging out the window or maybe greased back hair and a pack of smokes rolled up in his sleeve!

[01-RT-SE]

Here are some SEMA  shots found over at SCATPACK - The white 68 is IS KILLER !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.scatpack.com/forums/showthread.php?s=4a396d4f865671b508150120cce1b29d&threadid=27411&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

['CUDA360]

No disputes there at all. The fact is, IT'S UGLY!!

SO Bill,,, What do you really think??

I have been watching them lately and they are starting to grow on me
NAH

the're ugly 

[Charger_Fan]

The white 68 is IS KILLER !!!!!!!!!!

WOW!!!

[Brock Samson]

 hey! just fur yucks what were the sales numbers of the '68 charger?..  

['CUDA360]

The redbook sez

92590 total

17665 R/Ts
74019 V8 Chargers
906 /6 Chargers

[ITSA426]

Anyone read the current Muscle Car Review comparing an '06 R/T to a '70 440 four speed R/T?

[Brock Samson]

and i seem to remember they sold another 8o K sumphin in '69,.. sounds like a winner to me... 

[Big Lebowski]

Now i'm getting it, my bad. We have to add the Magnum's monthly sales numbers to the Charger's monthly sales numbers because the Charger hasn't sold as many units of the car it was supposed to replace. Thanks for the clarification.

But this is my favorite, i guess a year for counting the Charger sales numbers is actually 15 months? How many months? In my world, there are only 12 months and the sky is blue, most of the time. 

[Ghoste]

It worked for Ford in the first "year" of the Rustang.

[ChargerBill]

Personally I have never seen such a campaign made by people who have no stake in the success or failure of a vehicle. And then on top of that we're force fed "how cool" and "how great" and "how popular" this car is when it really is just another car with mediocre sales in a sea of cars with mediocre sales. What exactly is the point of continually bringing this stupid car up? Most of us could care less about it, and quite frankly MANY of us hate it. So why are some people so concerned with trying to change our opinions? Why do you care so much? This is a website where we all own OR wish to own OR love the CLASSIC Charger. We don't discuss Neons here because we don't care to, we don't discuss Vipers here and they are MUCH cooler than the Creeder, we don't discuss Galants (except when pointing out where the Creeder stole it's styling from), we don't discuss 18 wheelers all too often, we don't really even discuss 1st or 3rd Gen Chargers enough IMO. WHY do we have to rehash this over and over again? Why do you guys care so much? Why the apologetics? Why the rationalizations? What gives? Please, give it up....the car just plain sucks. They can count 15 months of sales as 12 months. They can add 300 sales to the Creeders sales. They could gold plate it and give them away....it won't change the opinions of those of us who just don't care. I mean, is this is a classic Charger website, or did I make a wrong turn somewhere on the WWW?

[ChargerBill]

Oh, and BTW

The Magnum sedan has ONLY picked up the LOST sales of the Magnum wagon. It's almost been an even swap the last 4 months. if you look at the numbers, as the Magnum wagon sales went down the Magnum sedan sales went up. Wooohooo....what a STUNNING succes!! Give me a break Basically all they did was ensure sales of the LX platform by offering another flavor of Vanilla. Hardly a success...it's just a REARRANGEMENT of incoming revenue. Gee, I hope DCX doesn't sprain their elbow patting themselves on the back...

Anyone else notice how the two lines mirror eachother almost EXACTLY?



It's as if those buying the Sedan may have decided against the wagon first....pretty sad commentary on the Creeder IMO.

[bull]

Shipped and sold are two different things and I keep asking where these tens of thousands of cars have been sold at because I haven't seen more than 6 on the road since they came out. That isn't just cruising around Mayberry here either.   I put several thousand miles on the road since that car came out through Ontario and the northeastern US.   That is why I have asked before if they are all going to the west or south.   I see lots and lots gathering dust at the dealerships.
I'm sure they are building them like nobody's business and I'm equally sure that anyone looking for a nice four door family car will look at one and they will sell.   Breaking records?   I'm about a year out from being forced to eat crow on that one my friend.
I'll stand by my statement for now.   With the amount of money Chrysler put into promoting this, there is no way they'll admit defeat at this point.   A slaes failure?   No.   But I don't for second believe it's their best seller yet.

Shipped and sold ARE two different things.   According to Chrysler, they have SOLD that many Chargers.

In addition, no one ever said this was going to be their best seller...that's the 300.   No one said it was gonna break any records either.

They're selling plenty of 'em.   I've seen a bunch here in Charlotte as well as in   Atlanta, Birmingham, Talladega, Columbus, GA, and Orlando.   All cities I have been to in the past month.

I'll catch up with you in...lets say June of next year.   By that point, there wiill be a year of sales under their belt.

So what? It's still a joke. I've seen two on the streets in the Portland area among all the other 4-door whatevers that all look the same. Are you a self-appointed '06 apologist because you actually think it does the Charger name any justice or do you do it for the antagonism factor? I see nothing about the car that would make anyone as passionate about changing minds as you. Who really cares? It's another run of the mill sedan that a bunch of stoic Germans misnamed.

And are you so thick-skulled that, whether you like the car or not, you can't seem to admit that it is selling well?   Is your opinion (because that is, after all what it is) so grand in your own head that the concept that someone may actually LIKE the damned thing actually turns your stomach the way it seems to?

I don't really give a rat's ass whether you like the car or not.   I do, you don't...whoop-de-shit.   I hate e-bodies, many people like them...again...whoop-de-shit.

I have no beef with people who don't like the car, my beef is with people who seem to completely discount FACTS because they don't seem to coincide with the opinion in their heads.

I'm not an '06 apologist...that implies that there is something that requires an apology.   The name was theirs to do with what they wanted to, as is the Hemi name, the R/T moniker, the "go-mango" name and every other trademark that   is rightfully theirs.   If they want to put it on a scooter, that's their prerogative.   The car is excellent on its own merit.   345 horses, V-8, Rwd, etc.   You don't have to like it...lots of other people do.

You don't like E-bodies but they are selling for record amounts to collectors so by your logic I should continually pound the sales figures over your head in some lame attempt to convince you it should be more than it is to you. Should I seek you out every time an E-body sells for $170k and tell you all about it? Will it change your mind about them?

No one who thinks the '06 is a joke cares about the sales figures. FACTS or not they don't make us like the looks of it any more. What do your sales figures prove? That some metrosexual couldn't choose between it and a Corolla so he tossed a coin? That Magnum sales dropped because the "Charger" was built? That someone was too lazy to get the real Charger he wanted so he settled? I'm not avoiding FACTS because facts don't change the look of the car. The '06 apologists continually avoid the styling issue in favor of performance, sales figures, RWD, V8, whatever, for no logical reason other than to start arguments and try to prove that ugly cars CAN sell well. So far no one has convinced me it's selling well. Just for kicks let's compare '06 sales to the Honda Accord. Yes it's my opinion about the looks but that's ALWAYS been the crux of the issue with the car and harping on this other garbage does nothing for the looks of the four door wannabe.

[Dale The Bold]

How are its sales compared to the Mustang?  Because I have no doubt that the '99 concept would have mopped the floor with it.  If you compare the sales of the new Magnum Sedan with other cars in the "effeminate urban male market," it probably is a success.  The problem is that they targeted an oversaturated market.  So they are pretty close to their sales expectations.  However, the 20-50 yr old heterosexual males, and mid-life crisis crowd ONLY have the Mustang to choose from, and many in that group are still holding out because they managed to get into a car show back in '99 and are hoping that DCX one day sees the light.

I wish someone at SEMA had built a two-door '99 concept version of the General Lee.  I would love to see the public response to that.

And "ugly" is a matter of opinion, yes, but if you put a photo of the '99 concept against a photo of the '06 "Charger" in a poll, it would be ridiculous how badly ol' ugly would lose.

[CB]

better pic

[Orange_Crush]

You don't like E-bodies but they are selling for record amounts to collectors so by your logic I should continually pound the sales figures over your head in some lame attempt to convince you it should be more than it is to you. Should I seek you out every time an E-body sells for $170k and tell you all about it? Will it change your mind about them?

I don't like e-bodies, but I am not so brainless that I say "e-bodies suck, so they're worthless."  I see that e-bodies are selling for hundreds of thousands (and in some cases...millions) of dollars so OBVIOUSLY someone likes them.  I don't like them, but that don't mean that the rest of the world doesn't.  This is what's known as "unclouded logic." 

No one who thinks the '06 is a joke cares about the sales figures. FACTS or not they don't make us like the looks of it any more.

My argument is not with that fact that you don't like it.  I have never had a beef with anyone saying they don't like the car, hence my e-body comparison.  I don't care if you don't like it, it is your right to hate the car...can I make this any clearer?  My argument is with statements like "they know they mad a mistake,"  "Daimler screwed the pooch," etc. 

What do your sales figures prove? That some metrosexual couldn't choose between it and a Corolla so he tossed a coin? That Magnum sales dropped because the "Charger" was built? That someone was too lazy to get the real Charger he wanted so he settled? I'm not avoiding FACTS because facts don't change the look of the car.

Nope, it doesn't prove any of those things.  What it proves is that a bunch of whiners on a message board were absolutely wrong about what sells in today's market.  It proves that everything that you have said up to now about the car being a failure is wrong.  Period...end of argument.  People who buy cars are buying the Charger.  This is ALL that matters...nothing else does.  Chrysler is in business to sell cars.  If this sticks in your craw so badly, don't ever buy another new Chrysler again and then you will have made your feelings known...hell! Write 'em a letter about it.  If enough people write them letters telling them that, maybe things will change.

The '06 apologists continually avoid the styling issue in favor of performance, sales figures, RWD, V8, whatever, for no logical reason other than to start arguments and try to prove that ugly cars CAN sell well. So far no one has convinced me it's selling well. Just for kicks let's compare '06 sales to the Honda Accord. Yes it's my opinion about the looks but that's ALWAYS been the crux of the issue with the car and harping on this other garbage does nothing for the looks of the four door wannabe.

Okay...lemme explain this one...more...time.

Chrysler said they wanted to sell 60,000 Chargers this year.  If they sell 60,001, the car is a success.

There is only ONE factory cranking out three LX cars.  This factory is running at capacity and shipping every car they sell, there is only a 30 day supply of LX cars on hand.  This is very good...for ANY company.  Comparisons to any other car really are useless. 

Bigdude (or lebowski, or whatevever) can compare Charger sales to intrepid sales all he wants, but there are several inescapable FACTS:

1.  Intrepids at their sales peak were leaving the dealership with approximately 3 grand on the hood as well as additional dealer discounts (the charger leaves with a 500 dollar rebate).

2.  Intrepids were about 5 grand cheaper than Chargers (before rebates and incentives).

The intrepid (like it or not) was replaced by the Magnum AND the Charger.  Chargers are taking away Magnum sales (Magnum, BTW, being a car I KNEW would be a sales problem as soon as a sedan came out).  Eventually, I figure DCX will kill off the Magnum because the Charger will be selling in volumes of about 9000 units while the magnum barely breaks 1500 units a month.

You don't like the Charger?  That's cool with me.  You think its ugly?  Hey, I'm fine with that.  Stand upon the highes mountaintop and shout it out with a megaphone.  Broadcast it on the radio.  Put on television commercials.  I will applaud your efforts.

Call it a failure and that's when I'll interject my sales figures because it ain't.

[bull]

Arguing about an ugly, German POS is a monumental waste of time. And I've got better things to do.

[my73charger]

There is this guy in my town that is driving one and I cannot wait to pull up next to him and leave him setting.   He drives around like he is a badass.   He probably never owned a REAL Charger.

What does he do that makes him look, feel or think he is a badass?

Tunes cranked, arm hanging out the window or maybe greased back hair and a pack of smokes rolled up in his sleeve!

Ok First off, I know the guy and he is a dick.   Secondly, he has pulled up next to me when I was driving the wifes Intrepid and he takes off from the light like he has something.   Thirdly, he drives around with one arm drapped over his steering wheel and acts unfriendly.   He just rubs me the wrong way.   He is a wannabe

[Shakey]

There is this guy in my town that is driving one and I cannot wait to pull up next to him and leave him setting.   He drives around like he is a badass.   He probably never owned a REAL Charger.

What does he do that makes him look, feel or think he is a badass?

Tunes cranked, arm hanging out the window or maybe greased back hair and a pack of smokes rolled up in his sleeve!

Ok First off, I know the guy and he is a dick.   Secondly, he has pulled up next to me when I was driving the wifes Intrepid and he takes off from the light like he has something.   Thirdly, he drives around with one arm drapped over his steering wheel and acts unfriendly.   He just rubs me the wrong way.   He is a wannabe

Sounds like the Fonz.   

[Orange_Crush]

There is this guy in my town that is driving one and I cannot wait to pull up next to him and leave him setting.   He drives around like he is a badass.   He probably never owned a REAL Charger.

What does he do that makes him look, feel or think he is a badass?

Tunes cranked, arm hanging out the window or maybe greased back hair and a pack of smokes rolled up in his sleeve!

Ok First off, I know the guy and he is a dick.   Secondly, he has pulled up next to me when I was driving the wifes Intrepid and he takes off from the light like he has something.   Thirdly, he drives around with one arm drapped over his steering wheel and acts unfriendly.   He just rubs me the wrong way.   He is a wannabe

Sounds like the Fonz.     

Eyyyyy.  Correctamundo!