Engine Paint Code

[CornDogsCharger]

I read somewhere that the correct color for the Superbird's engine should be Street Hemi Orange.  But I have also heard that the rattle-can Street Hemi orange is not the correct shade.  Does anyone have a paint code for it?

Thanks
Justin
"CornDog"

[maxwellwedge]

Is the car a Hemi or a 440. 440's were never "Street Hemi Orange". They (and most 70-71 340's and various 383's) had their own orange. Save your time and trouble and buy the the paint from Roger Gibson/Frank Badalson - It is dead nuts and lays on great. It has the right semi/gloss/flatness too - if that makes any sense. 

[maxwellwedge]

Here is a '70 440-6 with their paint.

[maxwellwedge]

More Pics... Last pic is Street Hemi Orange on a ....Street Hemi - Notice the difference?

[CornDogsCharger]

That engine looks awesome!!!!  Yes, this is for the 440-6 that is going in the 'Bird I'm working on.  So the engine is supposed to be standard Hemi Orange?  Will the paint code still be the same as the exterior color code?  Any other time I would probably order the paint from Roger/Frank but Spies Hecker/Dupont is supplying all of the paint for this car.  

Justin
"CornDog"

[62 Max]

More Pics... Last pic is Street Hemi Orange on a ....Street Hemi - Notice the difference?

Are you sure the last one isn't Race Hemi orange?

[maxwellwedge]

That engine looks awesome!!!!  Yes, this is for the 440-6 that is going in the 'Bird I'm working on.  So the engine is supposed to be standard Hemi Orange?  Will the paint code still be the same as the exterior color code?  Any other time I would probably order the paint from Roger/Frank but Spies Hecker/Dupont is supplying all of the paint for this car.  

Justin
"CornDog"

No Justin - The Hemi's had their own orange. The 70 440 HP's (and other motors previously mentioned) had their own unique orange. A quart is more than you will need. Their paint is PPG and they already did all the research/matching from nice original cars to get the color and the shine right. There are flattening agents in their paint. It's $45.00 per pint. Also - The air Cleaner lid is its own special color as well - They have that paint too. The V2 exterior color is not the same.
Jim

[maxwellwedge]

More Pics... Last pic is Street Hemi Orange on a ....Street Hemi - Notice the difference?

Are you sure the last one isn't Race Hemi orange?

It's actually the original paint on a survivor GTX I have. Technically there were 2 Street Hemi Oranges - 66 to early 69, and late 69-71. Mine is an early 69. It actually does look a bit like Race Hemi orange in that pic - may be the camera flash. I'll post another pic under the first one to compare.

[pettybird]

But I have also heard that the rattle-can Street Hemi orange is not the correct shade. 

I can send you six different cans of street hemi orange, and none of them match anything. 


hey Maxwell what did the factory do about the paint on the spark plugs?  did they clean it off or did the spark plug wires and their current sufficiently cut into the paint?

[426HemiCharger]

The ambient lighting may affect the way a picture looks, I would go with anything by Dupli-Color or Mopar (rattlecan).

Dupli-Color is spot on!!!

[maxwellwedge]

The ambient lighting may affect the way a picture looks, I would go with anything by Dupli-Color or Mopar (rattlecan).

Dupli-Color is spot on!!!

I think that's ok if you want to touch up a water pump to get a car ready for an auction but if you are doing a complete top to bottom resto of anything  worth more than a slant six Valiant (sorry D. Walden !  ) you need to spend a relatively small amount of money on proper paint for something as important as one of the most important things in a muscle car - the engine. Out of the gun is the way to go for this project.

[maxwellwedge]

But I have also heard that the rattle-can Street Hemi orange is not the correct shade. 

I can send you six different cans of street hemi orange, and none of them match anything. 


hey Maxwell what did the factory do about the paint on the spark plugs?  did they clean it off or did the spark plug wires and their current sufficiently cut into the paint?

They had a masking tube over them at the plant...I have seen bits of paint on the hex area of original plugs. The ones in the pics are a set I use for painting.....keep meaning to try the factory way on the plugs. I always get everything else masked, blocked off, capped, assembled etc. and always forget about the plugs until it's too late.

[XS29J8]

More Pics... Last pic is Street Hemi Orange on a ....Street Hemi - Notice the difference?

I have never found a rattle can that is even close to matching the 68 HEMI Orange Engine paint. I had to touch up some areas on my engine and the paint from Dave Ferro Totally Auto was close. I would give Roger Gibson and Frank B. a shot as they are the prominent voices on HEMI Restoration in the Hobby!

I see the exhaust tubes are not painted on your original HEMI Maxwellwedge, mine were removed and plated off early in life but I don't remember if they were painted. All the asbestos sheathing is painted and the ground cables front and rear on my 68............

Steve

[hotrod98]

Back when I owned a couple of Paintmaster automotive paint stores, I created seven different versions of hemi orange. Three versions of engine color all with 10% flattener, one accurate exterior color with the metallic in base/clear and single stage urethane and one exterior color without the metallic in base/clear and single stage urethane. I left the formulas with the store when I sold it and they almost immediately threw my entire formula library away. Idiots.
A couple of years ago, I created new formulas for the regular non-hemi hemi orange engine paint and the base/clear version of exterior hemi orange without the metallic. In my opinion, the non metallic exterior color is much cleaner and more vibrant than the metallic version. The metallic makes the color milky.
Does any of this make sense?   

[BigBlockSam]

Save your time and trouble and buy the the paint from Roger Gibson/Frank Badalson -

do you have a link or a # for Roger Gibson . i'm rebuilding a 69  sixpack motor .

did you also paint the exhaust manifolds orange?  was that how the factory did it ? thanks

[maxwellwedge]

More Pics... Last pic is Street Hemi Orange on a ....Street Hemi - Notice the difference?

I see the exhaust tubes are not painted on your original HEMI Maxwellwedge, mine were removed and plated off early in life but I don't remember if they were painted. All the asbestos sheathing is painted and the ground cables front and rear on my 68............

Steve

Actually - The one that went to the the bolted flange on the manifold was painted - just that the paint was 75% gone. The other tube from the intake to the nipple on the the H-Pipe is not painted...It was put on after the engine was painted. The asbestos on the dipstick tube and off the exhaust manifold is painted (but mostly gone now) and the little little breather tube off the exhaust manifold still shows a lot of paint.

[maxwellwedge]

Save your time and trouble and buy the the paint from Roger Gibson/Frank Badalson -

do you have a link or a # for Roger Gibson . i'm rebuilding a 69  sixpack motor .

did you also paint the exhaust manifolds orange?  was that how the factory did it ? thanks

rogergibsonautorestoraton.com Download his catalog - they have a lot of stuff for 69-1/2's.    Frank -  804-275-2155

heres a link to my six-pack Bee   http://www.moparaction.com/Article/Six-Pack/Six-Pack.html


The factory painted the exhaust manifolds on pretty well everything including Hemi's and 440's. I always paint them. Nothing smells better than paint burning off the manifolds in the morning...

[426HemiCharger]

Well I would get rattle can high Heat primer and do the whole engine in it then order V2 (Hemi Orange) body paint then spray it on with an HVLP gun, then shoot it with clear, wet sand it, and clear it again.  That's how I would go about painting an engine.  Please no or anthing like that. Thank you.

[Troy]

Well I would get rattle can high Heat primer and do the whole engine in it then order V2 (Hemi Orange) body paint then spray it on with an HVLP gun, then shoot it with clear, wet sand it, and clear it again.  That's how I would go about painting an engine.  Please no or anthing like that. Thank you.

Suggestion: maybe you should buy a car first. Metallic paint and clear coat on an engine isn't going to be anywhere close to the "correct" stock look. Have you been paying attention to the rest of this car's restoration? This is not a situation where you want to deviate (too far) from the factory process.

Troy

[maxwellwedge]

 

[BigBlockSam]

he factory painted the exhaust manifolds on pretty well everything including Hemi's and 440's. I always paint them. Nothing smells better than paint burning off the manifolds in the morning... icon_smile_big

thank you for the contact info

wow! your bee is nuts .what an outstanding car.  i like that idea of painting the exhaust manifolds .that's cool.Rene

[maxwellwedge]

Here is how they look when the paint burns (mostly) off.

[b5blue]

Hey the fuel pump on there...it's not a Carter M4845 is it? 

[maxwellwedge]

I do believe it was...that car didn't have an original pump on it when I got it and I was fresh out of NOS pumps...I hate when that happens 

[b5blue]

My re-reorder one didn't come in yet but I thought they didn't have the "block" on the bottom...just a "nut" on the side of the tube. Are they different from 69 to 70 maybe that's what I see?