Propane X Charger 500 - Where is it now?

[Aero426]

Does anyone know what happened to the Propane X Hemi Charger 500?     Is it still around?

[A383Wing]

I thought we had a thread about that car a while back....I think it was still around somewhere...maybe not...

[Ghoste]

There have been a few threads about it but if you don't know where it is Doug, I don't who does.
Seems to me it was suspected to be on one of the coasts??

[Aero426]

If someone can find that thread, let's link to it.   I just haven't paid close enough attention I guess. 

[A383Wing]

Some...

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10748.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,43544.0.html

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,34860.0.html

[moparstuart]

  so did anyone ever figure out if it's the same car as the x-rated car ?

[nascarxx29]

Last I Knew of that car it was from Wrightstown NJ .Then It was rumored to be in CA .Someone saw it on a car trailer at a show in California and posted its pictures.Going by if Propane X and Rated X are the one and the same
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10748.0.html

[69_500]

Doug it is as far as I have heard out in California currently. Can't recall the name of the owner, but I had heard rumor that it was being restored currently as well.

[HKCharger]

the mother's propane chevelle is mean!

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/31/sema-2007-1-000-hp-propane-chevelle-by-mothers/

[Ghoste]

Danny, did you hear if it was being restored to stock or it's as raced appearance?

[nascarxx29]

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propane dodge car I can recall is propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615   



I wonder if it has more than 12 miles on it now

[Scaregrabber]

I always wondered if that was the stolen HR Magazine Hemi 500 test car.

Sheldon

[richRTSE]

A while back, my wife's Aunt gave me a box of old magazines. Found this article in one...

[richRTSE]

...and page 2. Says the car went 11.85 with 9.0" slicks, 4.88 gears, and an auto trans (originally a 4-speed)...

[Ghoste]

The article says it was donated by Dodge for the project; is that the same as stealing it? 

[WingCharger]

So there were two aero cars converted to LPG back in the day?
There was the "Cal Gas" Daytona, and this car?

Cal Gas: http://wwnboa.org/calgasdaytona.htm

[moparstuart]

  yes that daytona lived several years of it rough life here in the great state of missouri


  and this guy oversea's now owns the cal gas daytona  and is coming to talledega

   http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54812.0.html

[69_500]

I'm not sure on how the car is being restored to. Whether it is back to running on propane, or back to stock trim. I just heard it was out in California now, and that it was being restored. Can't find the name of the person who said they now have the car too.

The car that was stolen that was mentioned in the HR article is a car that is accounted for now too. It is the car that was then given to Cotton Owens, later used by Creative to use to mock up Daytona's on, then returned to Cotton and then later sold to a gentleman in the town.

[nascarxx29]

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      Re: CASE FOR TWO 68 CHARGER 500 PILOT/TEST CARS
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2008, 02:26:41 PM » Quote 

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Okay so now I am totally lost. The car that was stolen was supposedly a PR car? How many PR 500's were there then? 1 4 speed car which is a known car right? 1 AT car which is also a known car? The only other really early car I know of is the one that was converted to run on Propane, and was raced under the name Propane X. All 3 of these cars were R4 red, cloth insert seats, power windows, with white tail stripe. All identical other than 1 of them being an AT. Now the 4th car that fits this mold is the one that went to Cotton Owens after being stolen, and stripped of its engine, and was later used at Creative to test fit the nose cones. I think that one was a PR car as it is identically equiped as the other 3 I just listed. Or was there a blue car in there somewhere when all of the rest of them were R4 red?

[nascarxx29]

 Re: CASE FOR TWO 68 CHARGER 500 PILOT/TEST CARS
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 05:15:28 AM » Quote Modify 

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.Originally the car was a (68 charger).Said by Frank Wylie retired director of public relations for dodge division.He states we loaned that car to a magazine in los angeles for testing.It was stolen striipped of everything.and the car was found in the Watts section of LA.That car was taken back to Nichels engineering in Highland IN and converted into what is known as the prototype dodge daytona .The other car that 69 500 mentioned was the cotton owens car that was first to be fitted with the wingcar body parts

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,41072.0.html

[WINGR]

Re: CASE FOR TWO 68 CHARGER 500 PILOT/TEST CARS
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 05:15:28 AM » Quote Modify 

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.Originally the car was a (68 charger).Said by Frank Wylie retired director of public relations for dodge division.He states we loaned that car to a magazine in los angeles for testing.It was stolen striipped of everything.and the car was found in the Watts section of LA.That car was taken back to Nichels engineering in Highland IN and converted into what is known as the prototype dodge daytona .The other car that 69 500 mentioned was the cotton owens car that was first to be fitted with the wingcar body parts

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,41072.0.html

Hey Dave, do you think in him saying that it was a 68 Charger it may have been just built in 68? Or it may have been a 68 that they just reworked later for testing. In that case does it still qualify as a Proto-type?

WINGR

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Re: CASE FOR TWO 68 CHARGER 500 PILOT/TEST CARS
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 05:15:28 AM » Quote Modify 

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.Originally the car was a (68 charger).Said by Frank Wylie retired director of public relations for dodge division.He states we loaned that car to a magazine in los angeles for testing.It was stolen striipped of everything.and the car was found in the Watts section of LA.That car was taken back to Nichels engineering in Highland IN and converted into what is known as the prototype dodge daytona .The other car that 69 500 mentioned was the cotton owens car that was first to be fitted with the wingcar body parts

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,41072.0.html

Hey Dave, do you think in him saying that it was a 68 Charger it may have been just built in 68? Or it may have been a 68 that they just reworked later for testing. In that case does it still qualify as a Proto-type?

WINGR

I brought this topic up(Case for two pilot/test 68 Charger 500s) because Chrysler had a memo out that said all production of 68 Charger HEMI with 4spd after June 1st 1968 would be the new Charger 500 style. I always thought there surely  would be more than the Jerry Service Charger built, The 68 Press/Pilot/Test car being stolen may attribute to why Jerry's 68 500 was repainted to take it's place for further photos and press release.

I have talked to Jon Weible again (The Original Jerry Service 68 500 owner) and he said there was no white paint any where on the 500 when he bought it. This was something Jerry did for showing the car back in the day.

Here is some interesting chatter from the General Board:

Quote from: hemi68charger on March 23, 2009, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: Magnumcharger on March 22, 2009, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on March 21, 2009, 09:22:20 PM
Robin, got anything for Canadian base '69s?

Nope....but found this on '68s...http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/muscle/chrysler/chry_68_chrg.frame.

Found this interesting in above article...

"...After 06/01/68, all Charger R/T models ordered with the Hemi engine and four-speed combination were built with exposed headlights, flush grille, and chrome windshield reveal molding...."        2thumbs

Care to venture they're referring to the '69 Charger 500?  icon_smile_big

Hey Troy, I have that Chrysler memo somewhere. I believe it is posted on the Winged Warriors site. This is why I always presumed there had to be more than one 68 Charger 500.............

Steve

[C5X DAYTONA]

Does anyone know what happened to the Propane X Hemi Charger 500?     Is it still around?

Car was in L.A. 5 years ago.  I found the original 4 speed trans sitting out behind a gas station in Borrago Springs CA.  The guy was the original owner of the car.  X-Famous Drag Racer Gary Nichols.  He said they pulled the 4 speed out and put in an automatic as soon as they got it home.  I picked up the trans from him and now it is back in the car.  He still has tons of info on this car and the 69 440 Daytona he took to the Salt Flats in the summer of 69.  That Daytona was owned?/sponsored by K-W Block Seal.

[Aero426]

Sean, is the car still out west?   Is it the Rated X car, or a different 500? 

[C5X DAYTONA]

Sean, is the car still out west?   Is it the Rated X car, or a different 500?  

Same car.   I have not talked to the guy (forgot his name) who had it in LA 10 years ago.     He had no idea it was the Propane X car till I showed him the history of the car.    His big gripe was that someone drilled holes in everything to lighten up the car.   Little history on car is.  A guy in San Diego owned a strip club called Rated X.  He purchased the Propane X car and changed the name on the doors and put the nude lady logo on it.  Then parked it his strip club for a bit on display.   Dad tells the story of going to look at it when it was for sale and telling mom to just sit in the car in the parking lot.  

[Aero426]

Thanks.   How did that car do when it was raced, and why did they stop?    The car was really heavy at almost 4200 lbs. 

[C5X DAYTONA]

Gary Nicholes still has pictures of the X car the day the brought it home from dealer.   The car was stripped out as soon as it arrived.   I don't remember the times the X car ran.           

Gary also took a 69 440 Daytona to Bonneville in 69 or 70.   He put a Hemi in it with 2.76s and went 199 mph.    Gary has the time slips for that event too and tons of pictures.       Redbird knows where the Daytona is sitting (burnt) but said the guy was very private IIRC.   I know the car was in Grand Junction a few years back but don't know if it's still there.         

[Aero426]

Did Chrysler give him the car?   I assume they got some help from the Propane Association on the quarter panels. 

[Redbird]

I corresponded with J.D. Tone at the SCTA a number of years ago. At the time J.D. was responsible for any replacement timing tags that were needed. He has the old Bonneville record results by year.

J.D. looked the old records he had on the "K & W Products Special" ie the Daytona. His records showed 182.18 MPH in B Production in 1970, driver listed as Greg Nichols, 4th in class. J.D.'s records showed that from 1972 on up "Nichols and Cheverton" went to Bonneville in a Roadster class (ie 1932 or so body style) using the same entry name.



This is very similar to what I have been told by another source. And the car's owner had told me it was Gary Nichols who drove it in 1970. I am of the belief that the Daytona was only at Bonneville 1 year.

[Redbird]

FWIW,

It took me several years to realize that Terry Nichels, Ray Nichels, and Gary Nichols were not all in the same family, especially when I had been given the name Gary Nichels too. Nichels and Nichols sound a lot alike when someone says the name.

Then I asked a stupid question one day and was told "of course Nichols and Nichels aren't the same family." At that time some of the stories made a lot more sense.

Galen

[C5X DAYTONA]

I have to go out and see Gary again. Great guy and very personable.    He lives in Borrago Springs CA,  He had a thriving Texaco station there and a tow service till the IRS took it.        I swore his comment pertaining the Daytona at Bonneville was,   "I was 1 MPH away from going 200."   I took pictures of his slips and photos and they all came out blurry but still legible.   I had the shutter speed adjusted wrong..   Dumb rookie move on my part..   I asked Gary what happened to the car after the event at Bonneville and he said it went back to K&W and didn't know anything after that.     It was a one time deal.   

Jim Lindsey had told me the same thing years ago.  That there was a Daytona on the salt before Isaac and before he was there with his Superbird.     

Yes, "Nichols and Cheverton" is Gary and his partner.   The transmission they ran in that 32ish roadster was the 4-speed transmission from the Propane X car.    Gary Nicholes also ran a 65 Max Wedge Plymouth in the Mint 400 off road race in Nevada.   It was on the 1966 Mint program jumping a sand dune.  Outrageous.    I have a horrible picture of the program but I have not been able to find a copy to purchase.   He ran a 66 Corvette after the 1 race in the Plymouth.   Gary said they destroyed that car. 

Gary also drove for Hot Rod a few times.   I have seen some pictures of him in a red 1962 Chrysler coupe at Pomona.

Galen..  Is the guy in CO with the Daytona aware of the cars history?   Gary has many documents that should go with the car and I have the original rear wheels and tires from the car after it made the run on the salt.   

[C5X DAYTONA]

Nicholes K&W on salt 1970

[Redbird]

Sean,

I was told that the person in the picture at Bonneville you posted is Carlos Cheverton, not sure on the spelling. Is that one of the pictures that someone posted on landracing.com a few years ago from Bonneville in 1970?

I never checked with J.D. Tone, but I am of the belief that Lindsley's Superbird was at Bonneville in 1970 too. There is a picture of it at Bonneville with the white paint scheme on the landspeed.com web site with other pictures of 1970. If one reads the Petersen's Complete Book of C/P/D it seems to suggest 1970 too.

I don't believe K & W ever owned the Daytona. Having seen it a number of times over a couple of decades I don't believe it was ever burnt. I think you have a couple of stories intermixed and I know both of them.

I have been researching and writing notes about the Daytona for about 20 years. It will be in Doug's newsletter when I finish it, I have just been more interested in researching about 1970 Chrysler literature the last few years.

So if you were to sell the original wheels back to the owner, what kind of price would you want for him only?

Galen

Picture of the K & W Daytona trunk about 20 years ago.

[Aero426]

Propane X press folder.

[C5X DAYTONA]

Sean,

I was told that the person in the picture at Bonneville you posted is Carlos Cheverton, not sure on the spelling. Is that one of the pictures that someone posted on landracing.com a few years ago from Bonneville in 1970?

I never checked with J.D. Tone, but I am of the belief that Lindsley's Superbird was at Bonneville in 1970 too. There is a picture of it at Bonneville with the white paint scheme on the landspeed.com web site with other pictures of 1970. If one reads the Petersen's Complete Book of C/P/D it seems to suggest 1970 too.

I don't believe K & W ever owned the Daytona. Having seen it a number of times over a couple of decades I don't believe it was ever burnt. I think you have a couple of stories intermixed and I know both of them.

I have been researching and writing notes about the Daytona for about 20 years. It will be in Doug's newsletter when I finish it, I have just been more interested in researching about 1970 Chrysler literature the last few years.

So if you were to sell the original wheels back to the owner, what kind of price would you want for him only?

Galen

Picture of the K & W Daytona trunk about 20 years ago.

Galen,    

I got the photo of the Daytona on the salt from Jim Radke years ago.   I remember many many years ago Jim had posted a note in the WW Newsletter that he was looking for info on the car.   When I met Gary it all came clear.

Correct.  K&W did not own the car as to what Gary said.     I don't remember who Gary said owned the car but he said it went to Michigan after they were done IIRC..  

Here is a picture of the Daytona.  It looks like the headlight doors are burnt/melted out of it but the cars glass looks fine.      My good friend Dave Lolley looked at the Daytona and Superbird when the guy in Grand Junction took them to a show there in Grand Junction and had and said they were both burnt.  That is why I say that.   The bird defiantly looks burnt but the Daytona had me puzzled as the glass was in great shape and the metal didn't look warped in photos.

He can have the wheels and tires..   But I want to see the car first..  Does that sound like a fair trade?

Have you talked to Gary Nicholes?  Super nice guy.    I talked to Randy at MCG and he didn't seam interested in doing a story on him..    He has a photo album of all his cars and his life in racing.   Tons of Propane and this Daytona's pictures from new car delivery the builds and all the time slips and other good stuff.  

Lindsley being there in 1970 with the Bird is very likely.    He had just said there was a Daytona there before he was.     He was also talking about Bobby Issac so maybe he ment another Daytona was there before Isaac was.   This was back in 1988 when I was on Vernon Judy's pit crew.     

[C5X DAYTONA]

Thanks.   How did that car do when it was raced, and why did they stop?    The car was really heavy at almost 4200 lbs. 

I read low 11s at 118mph.    Wasn't it more of an exhibition car that a race car?

[Redbird]

I'm sorry these two subjects got mixed together the Propane X and Daytona. At least we have a story of where the transmission of the Propane X car spent some time.

Sean, you are right, the Superbird was in a fire. I was told the fire was in Glenwood Springs. I have a lot more pictures of both the cars I took on that day 20 years ago. They show the twisted metal of the Superbird. Last time I saw the Superbird it was in a bit worse shape than the pictures posted, I have later pictures and the serial numbers of everything. Having seen both cars, I don't believe the Daytona suffered anything other than being stored in the desert with custom paint job that came off and the sun doing a number on the headlights/fender scoops/interior and anything else the sun can ruin.

I have never talked to Gary Nichols, I do not know how to get a hold of him.

I'll contact the owner again, may take a few days, Thanks!

[nascarxx29]

It used to reside at Wrightstown Base in Fort Dix NJ . Propane X Hemi 500 used to be in my area going wayback .It was in wrightstown NJ at Fort Dix friends of mine saw it on the base.
Propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615 of SGT Deanna Broyles Wrightstown NJ ..The base had its own dragstrip for the miltary personel it was called stratarods.

[C5X DAYTONA]

It used to reside at Wrightstown Base in Fort Dix NJ . Propane X Hemi 500 used to be in my area going wayback .It was in wrightstown NJ at Fort Dix friends of mine saw it on the base.
Propane X a red white stripe 69 charger 500 426 automatic car from NJ never registered with 12 miles on it XX29J9B110615 of SGT Deanna Broyles Wrightstown NJ ..The base had its own dragstrip for the miltary personel it was called stratarods.

It is a 4 speed car. The numbers trans is in it.      An automatic was installed as Gary said,   "as soon as we got the car home from the dealership."   Gary lived in Whittier CA.   Just up the road from us in Cerritos back then.

[C5X DAYTONA]

I'm sorry these two subjects got mixed together the Propane X and Daytona. At least we have a story of where the transmission of the Propane X car spent some time.

Sean, you are right, the Superbird was in a fire. I was told the fire was in Glenwood Springs. I have a lot more pictures of both the cars I took on that day 20 years ago. They show the twisted metal of the Superbird. Last time I saw the Superbird it was in a bit worse shape than the pictures posted, I have later pictures and the serial numbers of everything. Having seen both cars, I don't believe the Daytona suffered anything other than being stored in the desert with custom paint job that came off and the sun doing a number on the headlights/fender scoops/interior and anything else the sun can ruin.

I have never talked to Gary Nichols, I do not know how to get a hold of him.

I'll contact the owner again, may take a few days, Thanks!

You got more than where the transmission spent time.  Propane X and Rated X are same car.  Also where the car went when it became Rated X.   Another note on X is that after the car was painted 15ish years ago someone hit the 1/4 panel with a baseball bat pretty hard by some jack a** that was pissed it was blocking the sidewalk..  

Gary is very approachable and like I said before.  A super guy who knows the X car like the back of his hand.  I'll get you his contact info.  I would love to see his story and both cars in print.    

Sorry to mix both cars into one thread but Gary Nicholes had a major part in both cars.   It seams fitting.

A good dozen years ago both the bird and tona were on trailers at a Grand Junction Mopar show.   I do have a few pictures of them at that show..  I need to get a new scanner.   My computer is not recognizing it for some reason.

[tan top]

 this is a good thread , love reading about the ole storys & pictures of back in the day ,  awesome stuff guys thanks for sharing  

not sure if i posted this before of propaneX  ,

[C5X DAYTONA]

I gave Gary Nicholes a ring.  Both numbers are no longer in service.   I have an old car buddy that lives near him.   I will try that before I drive out there when it's not 110f.

[nascarxx29]

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