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Did the factory ever screw up and paint any Chargers the wrong color?

Started by bull, March 15, 2009, 12:18:19 PM

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chargerkid01

my 69 was painted under the seem sealer!!! It was all the same color though!! As for your car I'm going with the theory!!

bull

Seems to me like it would be better to paint or prime before putting seam sealer on, but that's just me. Anyway, what kind of primer did the factory use?

resq302

From what I have read, the factory primer was actually a water based primer that washed off on the outside of the body when they went to paint the car.  The cars were originally hung on rails and went through a series of vats that they were "dipped" in.  I want to say it was something like 3 vats in total.  Hence the drain plugs in your car.  These drain plugs would let the primer drain out of the bottom part of the car.

I, too, have also heard that the spray booth just bled out the previous color in the gun when they hooked up to a new color and sprayed areas like door jams and inside parts of the car that would "not get seen" on a finished product.  It was a big time saver this way instead of cleaning out at least two guns whenever you changed colors.  Lets face it, Chrysler didn't manufacture all red cars one day and then all white cars the next day.

I also think I remember reading somewhere that the average car they put out back in the day was something like a car a minute coming off of the assembly line.  This probably accounts for my starter motor splash shield never being installed and the wire harness metal tabs never being install on my firewall either.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Charger_Fan

Speaking of dipping the body, here's a cool shot of an older model going in for the dip. I see the whole car isn't being submerged, so I assume this is just a rust protection. :)


The Aquamax...yes, this bike spent 2 nights underwater one weekend. (Not my doing), but it gained the name, and has since become pseudo-famous. :)

NHCharger

It appears that my 72 Charger parts car may have been painted a different color than what the broadcast sheet said. It was all original, only 72k miles.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,22134.0.html
72 Charger- Base Model
68 Charger-R/T Clone
69 Charger Daytona clone
79 Lil Red Express - future money pit
88 Ramcharger 4x4- current money pit
55 Dodge Royal 2 door - wife's money pit
2014 RAM 2500HD Diesel

resq302

Charger fan,

Yes that is the set up that they used.  Basically, the whole car was not submerged, just up to just below where the bottom of the windows were I think.

Pretty cool to see the assembly line pics.  I think Barry (of the Hamtramck plant registry) has more factory pics.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Alaskan_TA

Some more facotry photos here;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/photos-p.shtml

This image illustrates the dip sequence;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1972/72_Dodge_Engineering0010.jpg

Some cars do have traces of a different color paint, usually in the trunk. This is most likely from one of the paint guns being "flushed" until the correct color started to flow.

I would have to assume primer under the seam sealer though, got any pics of it?




bull

Yup. The bronze you see here was under the seam sealer. The correct green can be seen along the edge of where the sealer was.


Alaskan_TA

My T/A has that same color primer over the gray dip primer in the trunk.

bull

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 17, 2009, 12:51:08 AM
My T/A has that same color primer over the gray dip primer in the trunk.

So you think it's primer? I would think so too but I've just never seen primer that looks like this.

69 charger 500

i could be wrong but maybe paint got the wrong word and thought they were supossed to paint it instead of giving it the primer :coolgleamA:

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: bull on March 17, 2009, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 17, 2009, 12:51:08 AM
My T/A has that same color primer over the gray dip primer in the trunk.

So you think it's primer? I would think so too but I've just never seen primer that looks like this.


Alot of the time the primer would have been still somewhat wet when the paint application began....

In this case that could explain the metallic in your primer.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Alaskan_TA

Except for the fact that the body seam sealer was applied before the body paint.  ;)

bull

Quote from: 1hot68 on March 17, 2009, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: bull on March 17, 2009, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 17, 2009, 12:51:08 AM
My T/A has that same color primer over the gray dip primer in the trunk.

So you think it's primer? I would think so too but I've just never seen primer that looks like this.


Alot of the time the primer would have been still somewhat wet when the paint application began....

In this case that could explain the metallic in your primer.

That's a good explanation, except for the seam sealer thing like Alaskan_TA pointed out. But if you look closely at the bronze you can see some green in it. :shruggy:

Alaskan_TA

Have you sanded through it to see how many layers there are? The green you see may be the gray (or a different color) from the dip process bleeding through.

bull

Quote from: Alaskan_TA on March 17, 2009, 06:25:44 PM
Have you sanded through it to see how many layers there are? The green you see may be the gray (or a different color) from the dip process bleeding through.

I haven't dug down any further to see what's under it. Maybe I'll check it out.

70426rtse

 I own a 70 GTX that the factory screwed up on and painted the wrong color. Fender tag says the car is supposed to be FC7 purple with a EW1 upper door frame paint. Well the line worker misread the EW1 as the body color and painted the whole car white. The funny part is you can still see the tape lines from the upper door frames being taped off and painted white before the body was painted. The car is still unrestored yet, so not a problem to document. The door  jambs are still original paint with the original VIN sticker. The outer edge of the VIN stickers are clear so you can see the original paint color through them. Car is coded for a reflective white side stripe and the factory still put it on over the white paint. I can only assume that they didn't catch the mistake in time to correct it. Must have been somewhat assembled before they realized it. The GTX is coded for a white vinyl top but had a black one installed instead. I figure some authority on the line must have made the decision to switch the top color or the car would have been triple white. The car is all matching #'s 4 speed air grabber car too.


70426rtse

Original door sticker clearly showing original white paint that it was placed over.

70426rtse

Also, here is a pic of the edge of the door jamb showing the remnants of the original white reflective stripe that was placed over the white painted body.

70426rtse

I have spoken to Galen about Mopars that were incorrectly painted from the factory. He knew of a 70 Cuda that had B5 blue paint under the original FE5 red paint (could have been the other way around). That car was corrected at the factory like the main poster's car. The error on these cars were corrected before being assembled. My 70 GTX is the only one that I am aware of that came out the door the incorrect color. It brings  up the whole debate of what is the "correct" way to restore the car. The way it was supposed to be built or the way it WAS built. I'm sure other people that have discovered small factory errors on their cars just corrected them during restoration. What do you do when you got a big mistake on your hands? Lets say that your  70 Road Runner had a Satellite grill installed at the factory by mistake. Do you correct it? or restore it back with a Satellite grill and have the the occasional comment by people at the car shows that tell you you put the the WRONG grill in your car.  Can you see the frustration of people constantly telling you you did something wrong on your car.  :RantExplode:

moparstuart

your car is a pretty big mistake , if you document it well I would restore it white the way it came from the factory , even though i love the purple

 
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

Brock Samson

 Wow! interesting, i've seen several tripple black HI-PO mopars but never seen a Tripple White one - now that's a car I'd make a bee-line at a show to see!

WingCharger

Quote from: Brock Samson on March 20, 2009, 12:12:58 PM
Wow! interesting, i've seen several tripple black HI-PO mopars but never seen a Tripple White one - now that's a car I'd make a bee-line at a show to see!

:iagree: :iagree:
That would be a cool car to see! :yesnod: :yesnod:

70426rtse

Quote from: moparstuart on March 20, 2009, 10:27:28 AM
your car is a pretty big mistake , if you document it well I would restore it white the way it came from the factory , even though i love the purple

 

I REALLY like the the way it was supposed to be built too and that is why I bought it. Restoring it to the "as factory built" combo would certainly be unique and I'm sure a 1 of 1 combo. I'm just not that big of fan of white cars. A white on white 4 speed Mopar in any body style is a pretty much unheard of combination.