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Did the factory ever screw up and paint any Chargers the wrong color?

Started by bull, March 15, 2009, 12:18:19 PM

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bull

I had my 68 outside the other day scraping seam sealer up off the floor pans and every time I did that I found a bronze color underneath the sealant they used 40+ years ago. At first I didn't think a whole lot of it but as I kept going I found the same color under every single bit of seam sealer I scraped off with the "original" TT-1 green around the edges of it, as if it were painted green after the seams were sealed. Later I pulled out the PPG paint chip chart to compare and realized the base bronze I found looks exacly like Dodge's MM-1 Bronze poly from 1968.

So the question, have any of you guys ever heard of a car being coded to be painted one color that was painted the wrong color first? My fender tag says TT-1 as the color code and yet the bronze I found is most definitely beneath the green. And my car was ordered so it would not have been a mistake they could have covered up by swapping fender tags and build sheets. Also, what was the sequence in which they painted these cars? Did they paint the inside before painting the rest or were the bare bodies completely painted all at once?

tan top

this might sound silly but the black seam sealer might of stained the primer/paint  :scratchchin:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

WingCharger

Wasn't that one known FK-5 something or other Superbird painted the wrong color back in the day? :shruggy:

bull

Quote from: tan top on March 15, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
this might sound silly but the black seam sealer might of stained the primer/paint  :scratchchin:

This bronze looks way too good to be a stain, I mean it looks exactly like it does on the paint chart with lots of metallic in it.

tan top

Quote from: bull on March 15, 2009, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: tan top on March 15, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
this might sound silly but the black seam sealer might of stained the primer/paint  :scratchchin:

This bronze looks way too good to be a stain, I mean it looks exactly like it does on the paint chart with lots of metallic in it.

oh right that good then :scratchchin: ......  could be  :-\
  :popcrn:

Quote from: WingCharger on March 15, 2009, 12:23:32 PM
Wasn't that one known FK-5 something or other Superbird painted the wrong color back in the day? :shruggy:


i remember a mix up on EB5 car  :scratchchin:   can't think where i read about it ..might of even been over on moparts  :scratchchin:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

bull

Here's a picture of a portion of the transmission hump up near the firewall. The bronze portion you see was completely covered by a big blob of sealant with the green starting at the edge of where that sealant was.

WingCharger

Quote from: tan top on March 15, 2009, 12:26:14 PM
Quote from: WingCharger on March 15, 2009, 12:23:32 PM
Wasn't that one known FK-5 something or other Superbird painted the wrong color back in the day? :shruggy:


i remember a mix up on EB5 car  :scratchchin:   can't think where i read about it ..might of even been over on moparts  :scratchchin:
Here is the thread about the FK-5 Burnt Orange mix up Superbird:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,54579.0.html


dodgecharger-fan

Quote from: bull on March 15, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
they could have covered up by swapping fender tags and build sheets.

No. They couldn't have just done that and called it good. Remember, the body stampings? They'd have to match up too.

So, it sounds like you've got a boo boo paint job there, but I'll ask the obvious question: there's no way that your car could have been redone in it's lifetime? I'm not saying it has, I'masking because I don't know the history of your car.

bull

Quote from: dodgecharger-fan on March 15, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: bull on March 15, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
they could have covered up by swapping fender tags and build sheets.

No. They couldn't have just done that and called it good. Remember, the body stampings? They'd have to match up too.

So, it sounds like you've got a boo boo paint job there, but I'll ask the obvious question: there's no way that your car could have been redone in it's lifetime? I'm not saying it has, I'masking because I don't know the history of your car.

Oh yea, it's be done and redone probably five times at least. It's been yellow, blue and black, and now it's black again. And that's in addition to the green and bronze we're talking about now. However, the bronze is under everything, even the factory seam sealer. I can't see anyone prior to me pulling up everything, including seam sealant, to paint the car bronze. There's no evidence that this car has ever gone through a complete restoration prior to me owning it.

Mopar2Ya

I found a reddish/brown paint/primer on the interior of my firewall, where the EV2 didn't reach.  :shruggy:

1970 Charger R/T
2006 GC SRT8

bull

Quote from: Mopar2Ya on March 15, 2009, 01:30:51 PM
I found a reddish/brown paint/primer on the interior of my firewall, where the EV2 didn't reach.  :shruggy:

What year? 1970?

I don't know, maybe it is primer but it sure looks fancy for primer. It looks just like a shiny, single stage color off the chart from 1968. If it were a dull finish I would think primer like that matte salmon-colored primer people use but as you can see in the picture it looks pretty nice.

Mopar2Ya


1970 Charger R/T
2006 GC SRT8

bull

Quote from: Mopar2Ya on March 15, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: bull on March 15, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Mopar2Ya on March 15, 2009, 01:30:51 PM
I found a reddish/brown paint/primer on the interior of my firewall, where the EV2 didn't reach.  :shruggy:

What year? 1970?
Yep.

Was it just a dull, matte-looking color or did it look like my picture above?

Mopar2Ya

Quote from: bull on March 15, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mopar2Ya on March 15, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: bull on March 15, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Mopar2Ya on March 15, 2009, 01:30:51 PM
I found a reddish/brown paint/primer on the interior of my firewall, where the EV2 didn't reach.  :shruggy:

What year? 1970?
Yep.

Was it just a dull, matte-looking color or did it look like my picture above?
IIRC, it was dull/flat & appeared a little more red than your pic. IIRC, it was slightly metallic looking.  My guess is it was some type of primer. :shruggy:

1970 Charger R/T
2006 GC SRT8

C_stripes

I remember one of the mopar mags running an article about a car, I think a 70 runner or challenger, that the fender tag and build sheet said one color and the car was another. It was an all original survivor too. I want to say it was in MCG. Probably been 5 years back.
I'm smarter than I act, But I don't act smarter than I am.

paironines

I know the painters at Chrysler would empty their paint guns from the previous car onto the next car. Usually seen this on the drivers door jamb behind the front fender, but I guess it could've been done anywhere.

bull

Quote from: paironines on March 15, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
I know the painters at Chrysler would empty their paint guns from the previous car onto the next car. Usually seen this on the drivers door jamb behind the front fender, but I guess it could've been done anywhere.

This explanation almost makes sense in my case because it's all over the floor but nowhere else. It would be interesting to learn if the previous sequential car was painted bronze.

69CoronetRT

Does your car have an early build date?

A theory....

in 67 TT1 was medium copper metallic. In 68, it was green. An experienced paint guy sees TT1 on the paint sheet and, thinking it was the same as '67, grabs the wrong color and paints the car. Somewhere down the line, an inspector discovers the mistake. Car is re-painted with correct color.

Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

Sublime/Sixpack

But the car wouldn't have been painted before the seam sealer was applied.
1970 Sublime R/T, 440 Six Pack, Four speed, Super Track Pak

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Sublime/Sixpack on March 15, 2009, 10:17:25 PM
But the car wouldn't have been painted before the seam sealer was applied.


Apparently it was if he found paint under the sealer.

Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

Sublime/Sixpack

How do you know its paint and not a type of primer or sealer?
1970 Sublime R/T, 440 Six Pack, Four speed, Super Track Pak

bull

Quote from: Sublime/Sixpack on March 15, 2009, 10:26:06 PM
How do you know its paint and not a type of primer or sealer?

I don't other than it just doesn't look like any primer I've ever seen. All the primers I've seen are always a dull, matte type of finish whereas this has a metallic content and a gloss to it.

Sublime/Sixpack

Yeah, that seems strange.  I didn't work at the factory assembling these cars so I don't know, but my thinking was why would they lay down any top coat before the seams were sealed? Curious.
1970 Sublime R/T, 440 Six Pack, Four speed, Super Track Pak

bull

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on March 15, 2009, 10:16:15 PM
Does your car have an early build date?

A theory....

in 67 TT1 was medium copper metallic. In 68, it was green. An experienced paint guy sees TT1 on the paint sheet and, thinking it was the same as '67, grabs the wrong color and paints the car. Somewhere down the line, an inspector discovers the mistake. Car is re-painted with correct color.



It's early but not a '67 car. It left the factory in Jan. of '68.