11" front & rear brake assembly pics and parts needed, any sources?

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang..
Does anyone have pictures they could post of a actual '68/'69 B-body brake assemblies with 11x3 front & 11x2.5 rears with the drums off? I'm in need of some components and wanna make sure I don't duplicate what I need. Aren't the brake bar/strut only used in the rear in conjuction with the emergency/parking brake lever or is there a strut/bar in the front as well? It's been way too long since I took this apart and I think there were some parts missing actually. I have a service manual, but prefer as well actual pictures of cars today. I believe my HD drum brakes had adjustable capability at all four corners? I just picked up the adjuster kits for all corners this weekend and the complete hardware kits. I believe I need the struts, two of the diamond-shaped shoe guide plates. For sure I need the rear left and right parking/emergency brake lever.

EDIT : I'm in need of the parking brake strut and anti-rattle spring. Along with that, I'd like to get 2 or 4 of the adjusters complete (includes the two main components and the hardened thin washer. I also need the two thick lower springs that hold the lower shoes together (star wheel lock spring. Finally, 4 wheel cylinder push rods.

Thanks..
Troy

[rarefish]

Troy, If you go with the original factory set up which was the manually adjusted brakes on R/T's, you will need to reuse the heavy spring that goes across the the bottom of the shoes. I see that you still have them in your photo. So far I have not been able to find any new replacements ones being sold anywhere. If you decided to use the self adjuster hardware kit, you will not need to reuse the two bottom heavy springs.
   You will only need the parking brake struts, levers and anti rattle springs in the rear brakes.    Jon....

[tan top]

forgot i had this picture ,  rear set up of my  original 11" manual adjusting , as i was taking  it apart for the resto ,  

[boys3rt]

If you are still looking for parts? There is a place in Massachusetts called Alretta Truck Parts. They have an old inventory of some very hard to find brake parts. Ask for Geoff.

[hemi68charger]

Thanks guys.. As of now, I've found the majority of the parts I need except the left strut and parking brake lever. All else I have and have installed the right rear......

Cheers,
Troy

[PatrickPeeters]

This Brake looks just like mine (and I'm planning to restore them)
I've seen some with self adjusting parts on them, could manual adjustment being convertered to automatic adjusting?
(just buying parts and putting them on)

What would be the difference between automatic and or manual?

[PatrickPeeters]

This Brake looks just like mine (and I'm planning to restore them)
I've seen some with self adjusting parts on them, could manual adjustment being convertered to automatic adjusting?
(just buying parts and putting them on)

What would be the difference between automatic and or manual?

This is another pic of the other brake setup, anyone knows the difference and if it conversion is possible?

[Tom Q]

I have nos bottom springs $15.00/pr+shipping, how many pairs do you need?

Do not use the self adjusters on the front and as for the rear on a 4 drum system, I prefer no self adjusters as well.
There is nothing wrong with those adjusters, besides they are made of unobtanium. I see some nice new ones in one of those pics-where did those come from???

Mopar parts
2260788: brake shoe guide plate, 11" brakes ss to J3201032 -that's the diamond shaped part in the pic
2260787: wheel cyl push rod, 2/wheel all drum brakes
2533822: parking brake lever strut spring, inside brake drum 11" brakes ss to 4773942
4436773: Brake hardware pkge 11" brakes

If you do not have shoes made with a sintered metallic material you need to pm me or you are wasting your time.  Same for you JB, there are shoes avail to STOP the car. Everyone that has received the upgrade raves about their brakes. No more calling ahead to stop.

[terrible one]

I know you only need one side's worth but here's a set on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mopar-8-3-4-In-Parking-Brake-Levers-Struts-11x2-1-2-/150518503234?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item230b9a1742

[PatrickPeeters]

The pic with new stuff is not mine, so can't anwsers any question about the pic, it's a example pic from another member which I use to show what I mean....
Myself:
Got one 68 with disc in the front.
Got one 69 with drums in ther front.

Would I need them or would it be unnessessary to put them on?

I have nos bottom springs $15.00/pr+shipping, how many pairs do you need?

Do not use the self adjusters on the front and as for the rear on a 4 drum system, I prefer no self adjusters as well.
There is nothing wrong with those adjusters, besides they are made of unobtanium. I see some nice new ones in one of those pics-where did those come from???

Mopar parts
2260788: brake shoe guide plate, 11" brakes ss to J3201032 -that's the diamond shaped part in the pic
2260787: wheel cyl push rod, 2/wheel all drum brakes
2533822: parking brake lever strut spring, inside brake drum 11" brakes ss to 4773942
4436773: Brake hardware pkge 11" brakes

If you do not have shoes made with a sintered metallic material you need to pm me or you are wasting your time.  Same for you JB, there are shoes avail to STOP the car. Everyone that has received the upgrade raves about their brakes. No more calling ahead to stop.

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I've been searching the internet and I can't find the bottom lever return spring .It's the spring by the slack adjuster gears used on 11x3 brakes without slack adjusters.
Looks like a s shape the hooks face oppisite directions.Looks like all the parts stores have is the drum hardware kits for use with slack adjusters. Do I have to try and match the old springs or has anyone found a part # for the auto parts stores to use? like Napa etc..
to order a spring hardware kit or the springs alone.Thanks

[Budnicks]

I'm not positive, but maybe Dr.Diff has the kits for self adj. drum brakes, thought I saw themthere offerd as an option on his rear axle combos...

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

Well I think I know the key to finding the bottom lever return spring now. Look for older parts like at least 1967 and older. I tried a 1967 B 100 van because the spring looked the same pictured in a Chilton repair manual but can't find that either so I searched ebay auctions for brake hardware tried 1957-63 Ford and the F 100 pickups have the same style   " S " hook spring but not sure about the spring size.I tried 1952 threw 1958 Buick and that " S" hook spring looks the same.

The actual 1968 Dodge Charger  11x 3  bottom lever return spring
measures about 1" 5/8" long x 5/8" wide at the coils
the " S " hooks at each end of the spring coils are about 3/4"

I guess it's worth a try to check out these hardware kits at the parts houses to see if the    " S" hook springs are the same size.
I bet theres a car brake hardware kit that uses the same size spring as the know hard to find Chrysler parts used.

[John_Kunkel]

The Bendix part number for the adjuster wheel spring is H412.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BENDIX-H412-Rear-Brake-Adjusting-Screw-Spring-/170630897853?item=170630897853&vxp=mtr

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I appreciate the help but it looks like bendix H412 is used with the slack adj system.
That offset spring looks like it's the one sold in most of the new hardware kits painted blue in a lot of kits.
I need the bottom lever return spring for use on early chargers without slack adjuster cable system used .The spring I need is S Shaped it holds the bottom drum brake shoes together it's placed above the adjuster gears.

I'm not sure what the modern brake shops would do maybee just add the later production slack adjuster systemto all 4 drums so you can use the parts that are readily available threw all the parts stores.But I heard there can be problems with the slack adj locking up etc..and wanted to stick to the orig manual adj system.Thanks

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I'm checking 1958 brake hardware kit suppliers like ford gm caddilac edsel impla .The s hook springs look the same so I asked a few vendors to measure the springs . I hope the springs are universal size used by several diffrent mfgs over the years.

[John_Kunkel]

Your use of the word "lever" confuses the search, if you're looking for the spring that rides on the adjuster "wheel" the factory P/N is 2265203.

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

see hemi68chargers pic 
of what looks like a restored surf turqoise LL1 color car
the bottom spring in that picture seems to be unavailable in all the replacement brake hardware kits sold now.
I don't know if I used the right term to describe the bottom spring .
I hope this spring # turns up in a cross referance guide.Thanks

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I can't find anyone selling the chrysler part #2262503 if thats the spring.

I asked about a 1959-71 dodge truck kit and a ebay seller said the s hook spring measured 2inches at the coil length alone.So maybee that was a kit for a 16 inch wheel system?

I don't know but I hope a 1/2 ton ford pu or car kit for a vehicle with 14 or 15 inch wheels might work??? Just need to find the correct S hook springs in whatever brand kit or bulk spring bin at auto parts store?

My old Chrysler S hook spring measures 3 1/4 inches long overall.

[John_Kunkel]

I can't find anyone selling the chrysler part #2262503 if thats the spring.

Try the correct number, it's 2265203.

Collectors Auto Supply probably has it:

http://www.collectorsautosupply.com/search/search.asp

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

Sorry I typed the part # in wrong. It looks like they list 2265203 but I guess it's a phone for more info deal I don't know I haven't ordered anything there before.

I was looking for springs on the internet a found some that look like there close by searching useing 3 1/4" extension spring but... I don't know if there automotive grade.
I compared a slack adjuster bottom spring to the manual adj spring .
slack adj spring coil is 3/4" round while manual adj spring is 5/8" round coil
Theres a few springs listed that seem close to the old specs if there automotive grade ?
Autozone #40675
3 1/4 " x 3/4 " extension spring
$9.99 special order

Home depoet
handyman springs 3 1/4 x5/8"
Model # SP9618 internet # 100196071
$ 4.19 each

Allis Chalmers wd-45 farm tractor brake spring

doorman #40671

I'm trying to find a part # and  auto parts supplier that stocks this spring all the time so anyone can fix there brakes without worrying about the discontinued spring not being available without placeing a special order and waiting for it to arrive.

Disclaimer -Do NOT! use any of those springs I listed above they are most likely NOT! the same automotive grade as the original brake spring and could fail during brakeing .
It is just a rough attempt to locate suitable matching springs

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I asked someone selling a NOS 1955-65 Chevy front brake extension spings to measure the springs.It looks like they won't work too long! but it was worth a try
The chevy springs measured 3 3/4"overall with 5/8" wide coil 2 1/2" long spring coil
and 5/8" long hooks again close but just too long of spring compared to the old chrysler springs.Still hopeing to find a spring hardware kit thats easy to get that uses the same length springs.
Some venders do not post any pictures of the springs so it's not easy to compare to the old spring.

[FLG]

www.rockauto.com sells a bunch of kits, any of them have what your looking for?

[John_Kunkel]

Disclaimer -Do NOT! use any of those springs I listed above they are most likely NOT! the same automotive grade as the original brake spring and could fail during brakeing .

I very much doubt if auto brake springs are any special grade, especially the one in question that stretches very little on each application.

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I sent a email to collectors auto supply asking about the spring availability still waiting for a reply.

I searched Rock Auto and everywhere else I could think of but I can't find anyone selling this spring anywhere anymore . That's why I'm trying to find a equivlent replacement spring that's readily available.

The spring has got to be a certain wire gauge so the coil holds up and doesn't uncoil or break
it may have been heat treated or tempered steel or something?
I don't know if the Dorman or Home depoet springs would work or not ?
Here are some pics of the original

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

If anyone still has any N.O.S bottom brake return springs for 11x3 manual adj drum brakes
available for sale please let me know . Please send me a message threw the pm message feature with information on how to purchase the springs if the price is right I can pay via PayPal or purchase a US post office money order if needed. Also pics of the spring would help I don't want to purchase the wrong spring.Thank You

If I can't find the NOS spring or matching correct new replacement spring I guess the modern solution is add slack adjuster system to all 4 wheels.

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

So the 3 1/4" brake extension is unavailable?

I never got a reply from collectors auto supply either? I sent 2 emails there with pictures and detailed measurements of the spring and the part # that was recomended got no reply whatsoever.

Whatever I'll look for Ford brake springs and see if anything will work.

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I puchased some Raybestos H 403 front drum manual adj springs for about ten dollars because they looked correct but they are to small compared to whats on my car now.
the ebay ad said they fit 11 inch front drum 

[hemi68charger]

I puchased some Raybestos H 403 front drum manual adj springs for about ten dollars because they looked correct but they are to small compared to whats on my car now.
the ebay ad said they fit 11 inch front drum 

You're looking for the bottom spring for 11"  drums that are non-self-adjusting? Are your brakes like the picture of my former turquoise '68 Charger R/T at the beginning of this thread?

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

Yes the springs look the same as on the turquoise LL1?paint code charger picture.
I'm not sure if my old springs are correct size or not ?but the new springs I ordered are  smaller and I haven't tried useing them yet.

[hemi68charger]

Yes the springs look the same as on the turquoise LL1?paint code charger picture.
I'm not sure if my old springs are correct size or not ?but the new springs I ordered are  smaller and I haven't tried useing them yet.

The LL1 was mine and I did that restoration. Let me see if I can find the extra springs I had. I believe it took me a good while to track them down too. Give me a day or two....

Troy

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

Sounds good. To bad it's so hard to find those springs anymore.
Thanks

[hemi68charger]

Sounds good. To bad it's so hard to find those springs anymore.
Thanks

Is this what you're looking for?

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

That looks like the spring to me.Are they still sold at Napa? I tried a quick search of the website but couldn't find them useing that part number. If your intersted in selling them please send me a message with more info. Thank You for locateing the springs and takeing pictures of them.

the coil size is diffrent on raybestos springs but overall the length looks about the same so maybee they would work too but I don't know the napa springs look heavier duty to me

[hemi68charger]

That looks like the spring to me.Are they still sold at Napa? I tried a quick search of the website but couldn't find them useing that part number. If your intersted in selling them please send me a message with more info. Thank You for locateing the springs and takeing pictures of them.

the coil size is diffrent on raybestos springs but overall the length looks about the same so maybee they would work too but I don't know the napa springs look heavier duty to me

The one out of the box is my original spring off my '68 Charger R/T with 4-wheel 11" manual all the way around.... The one's new in the box are exactly the same size...

I did a search on the NAPA part number and it still shows to be good.. You get 4 in a box, that's all you need for all front wheels..

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=UBP80503_0070707743

$3.49 /ea

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

Thank You for all the info I'll order some new springs from Napa then.

It looks like my old spring must have been replaced by someone at one time so the measurements of my old spring are probley slightly diffrent then the oem spec springs  so I'd say don't go buy those measurements I posted of what i thought were original spec springs.Anyway Thank You very much for all the spring ordering info and napa part #'s.

[hemi68charger]

Thank You for all the info I'll order some new springs from Napa then.

  Glad to help...... Let me know if you were able to order/find them....

Troy

[ChargersETC..ETC..]

I purchased new part- up 80503 adj screw spring from napa. It looks almost identical to raybestos 403 spring but it looks like raybestos spring is just barely noticeabley larger gauge of wire when the two diffrent mfg springs are compared side by side. Other then the slight differance there could be in the gauge of the wire used to make the spring the springs are identical in apperance as far as I can tell. So it looks like both springs will work and my old spring was replaced witth something else years ago.Thanks for all the help finding the correct springs.

[fran b]

 These parts are available from Harmon Classic Brakes. They are listed for a 1965 to 1968 Dodge Monaco.
Item#22-109, $55.95 for 2 wheels. To find these I just typed in Dodge no model, it's in the 251 to 260 of 410 items. Dumb luck to find them.

  Fran B

[cavemanno1]

Aren't these one good or they are missing something?I need to rebuild my rear 11x2,5" drums!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Mopar-Rear-11-Drum-Brake-Hardware-Rebuild-Kit-Charger-Cuda-Road-Runner-/252062321233

[fran b]

The kit should work, the only part it doesn't have is the e brake anti rattle spring.  It's the partly flattened spring that goes piece that goes from e brake lever to the front shoe. The Harmon kit I sited is for manually adjusted brakes. The e bay kit is for self adjusted brakes. [more pieces] Harmon's has the same kit as ebay but with the anti rattle spring but$$$85.95, OUCH. When you buy brake shoes there needs to be a pin on rear shoe near where the adjuster goes. See earlier posts. The self adjuster lever goes there. I like manual adjusters no hassle to setup. You need to adjust them once it a while.
 
Fran B

[cavemanno1]

How about these pads?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221963793151?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[fran b]

 Those shoe are the type of shoes with pins you need if your going with self adjusters and will work with manual adjusters. Rehrhenberg sells hardware kits also. You should be able to by all this at local auto parts store. Today I put shoes on my 8.75" rear 11x2 1/2" today. Gettin' ready to pull Dana out and put 8.75 back in my car that came in.

  Fran B.

[cavemanno1]

Just to make it clear for me,is there a company that sells the whole rebuild kit with correct springs,pads etc.?
I don't want to hunt down parts if i don't have to!

Thanks,

Peter

[fran b]

Do you have any parts? If you only have bare backing plates and drums it you will need to do some hunting. The part I'm telling you to look at are after market parts not factory. Rehrenberg is selling hardware kit Item number 321954816425 and shoes item number 221974208778 on ebay . You can contact him without going through ebay email rehrenberg@yahoo.com .He might have any other parts you need. Rocket resto has strur lever item 331729748222. Look on ebay under mopar brakes for parts. Looked through 5 pages of parts [1000 parts] Didn't see e brake levers or the diamond shaped that go where shoe return spring hook. There were more pages but it's late. There are pictures on first page of this post of both manual and self adjusting brakes. If they are detailed enough do a google search. Oh saw a setup of 11" brakes on backing plates all set to go, don't remember shoe width but I remember the price!!!! $440 wow.

ps I needed a spring that go between shoes with manual adjusters he had one easy to deal with.

  Fran B

[Lennard]

Just to make it clear for me,is there a company that sells the whole rebuild kit with correct springs,pads etc.?
I don't want to hunt down parts if i don't have to!

Thanks,

Peter

PST has the complete kit. Www.p-s-t.com

[fran b]

 That's a good deal if he has all the other parts not supplied in pst kit. He didn't seem to have the hardware adjusters etc. that come in the kits I mentioned. It's a generic photo don't know if it has pin for self adjusters on brakes on shoes?
  If he needs E brake levers there a spring washer that isn't in any kit I've seen. It looks like a flat washer but it's very thin and is curved. [.005 to .010 thick ] He should make sure he gets 2 of them with e brake levers if he needs to buy them. They keep the e levers from rattling around. Rehrenberg could probably supply these he seems to have misc. parts.
Would like to know what parts he has if any?

Fran B

[fran b]

 Found E brake levers with spring washers. Ebay item 22142443307, $50 shipped, olsmoky46 is the seller.
Here's a killer, brake shoe guide plates [the diamond shaped pieces] moparpartsus seller item 251989251301, $74.95 plus shipping $5.00 . Holy clap are they made out of gold! H*%l at  that price I'd make my own!!
The parts I've listed in the last few posts should cover every piece needed except e brake cables.
Misspelled strut levers in earlier post.

  Fran B

[birdsandbees]

Before I spent that kind of money on a few parts I'd just order a complete bolt on assembly from this guy... I can't see sourcing new wheel cylinders, shoes, spring set, ebrake levers etc and paying shipping from various places for less money.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/380100358480?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[fran b]

 Yea but not everyone can afford that. $440 is a lot of money. I don't know what parts he has. It sounded like he needed shoes and a brake hardware kit and maybe wheel cylinders, $160 of parts. I added the other parts if he didn't have them.

  Fran B

[fran b]

 Rock auto has 2 wagner rear cylinders $5.31 ea. Don't know shipping, never dealt with them. Saw 2 for $35 and $9 shipping wagner wheel cylinders on ebay F78734 item 361091220780. Couldn't see mounting area in pic's. Rock auto is tough to beat if shipping isn't to much.

  Fran B.

[cavemanno1]

So you saying PST's kit isn't complete and need more hardware to finish the job?

[fran b]

 Need to know what parts you have????  If you go through my replies all the parts you need are there except two things below.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               It sounded like you only had backing plates on your axle and drums? Only parts I didn't put in my replies are the forks or some call pins that are on wheel cylinders to shoes, Ebay item 381459246673, $28.50 or make an offer shipping $5.95. Also 4 bolts to mount wheel cylinders.  You just need to decide where your going to buy what you need. If you need a lot of parts you might need to  buy from 3 or 4 vendors.

  Fran B.