Well, I see the justice system in Canada is just as idiotic as it is in the US

[bull]

This guy should have been swinging from the nearest tree a long time ago. Sounds like the trial was a complete joke.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29530465/

No jail for man who beheaded bus passenger
Judge declares him insane and orders treatment in mental institution

WINNIPEG, Manitoba - A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The victim's family dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.

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[skip68]

I can see treatment for a cold.    Treatment for for smoking.     Even treatment for drugs.  But, treatment for cutting off a persons head ?  Just how do you treat that ?       

[69bronzeT5]

It's unbelievable. Who cares if he is mental or not...he should be in jail.

[chargerboy69]

...he should be in jail.

I vote a guillotine.

[PocketThunder]

...he should be in jail.

I vote a guillotine.

or death by budda budda... 

[Shakey]

Well, I see the justice system in Canada is just as idiotic as it is in the US

You are wrong Curtis  -  it's worse!

[Mike DC]

             
He might really be insane.  This sentence is fine with me.



But they'd better not declare him sane in 5 or 6 years and release him again.

 

[69bronzeT5]

...he should be in jail.

I vote a guillotine.

Yeah, that's what he deserves. Atleast he should be in jail

[captnsim]

             
He might really be insane.  This sentence is fine with me.



But they'd better not declare him sane in 5 or 6 years and release him again.

 

Sad but this does happen...alot

[Magnumcharger]

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

[Ghoste]

             
He might really be insane.  This sentence is fine with me.



But they'd better not declare him sane in 5 or 6 years and release him again.

 

Sad but this does happen...alot

Especially in Canada.  You might be okay with it Mike but as someone whose taxes wil help to "treat" this poor fellow I have a somewhat different opinion. 

[bull]

             
He might really be insane.  This sentence is fine with me.



But they'd better not declare him sane in 5 or 6 years and release him again.

 

Sad but this does happen...alot

Especially in Canada.  You might be okay with it Mike but as someone whose taxes wil help to "treat" this poor fellow I have a somewhat different opinion. 

Yea. Insane or not the guy is human waste and should be eliminated just on basic principal.

[vancamp]

can someone explain this to me, a person cuts off the head of another in full view of witnesses and he gets off by pleading insanity, doesnt killing someone pretty much confirm your insane he should get the death penalty period, no waste of tax dollars rehabilitating,or feeding him in jail, if he is crazy enough and capable of killing he should be taken out of the population and gene pool permanently.

[Mike DC]

Insanity is not the same thing as being evil.


Oh yeah, I'd agree that sometimes evil people hide behind insanity pleas.  For sure.  But I'm just saying that doesn't equate the two conditions. 

[89MOPAR]

  That's right along the lines of a different article i read, which i thought must be a misprint because it said there was only one prosecution witness.

Nice job prosecutor     You think maybe somebody who witnessed it would want to testify ?  I guess if the defense  agrees to the stipulation of facts by the prosecution, legally speaking, they don't need to call any witnesses.

  He may as well move to WA state after he gets out, there will certainly never be a death penalty here again after the "green river killer"  traded some body locations for death penalty immunity.
   Meaning if you can kill 30+ people without getting the electric chair, certainly nobody can be given capital punishment for only killing one or three people....

[Ghoste]

I guess for me it isn't about whether or not they are truly insane or even rehabilitation, but I would like to know who we serve by rehabilitating this guy?  His mother?  God?  Society at large?  The warm and fuzzy crowd who feel he was likely misunderstood as a child?  Perhaps just mental health professionals?
I don't know personally but I do know for damned sure we don't serve the victims family or the deceased.  I would agree that many prison sentences are arguably all death penalty ones are about revenge and that I speak from that standpoint.  Right or wrong, can any of you really and truthfully look in your heart and tell me that if some fringe dweller from the fabric of generally accepted normal society kills, rapes, decapitates, mutilates, cannibalizes, or whatever someone you love, that you would be alright with just putting them in a nice hospital for a little while where the gentle doctors can talk them out of their sickness?

[bull]

Insanity is not the same thing as being evil.


Oh yeah, I'd agree that sometimes evil people hide behind insanity pleas.  For sure.  But I'm just saying that doesn't equate the two conditions. 

It shouldn't matter. Insane or not he should be killed, just like when a dog kills a couple chickens or attacks a person. Instead he now becomes a straw man to someone's cause, a living experiment, a litmus test in the criminal psychology field and a feel-good project to those who feel guilty for being normal. It's pure stupidity, irresponsibility and foolishness to allow him to breathe the same air we do.

[skip68]

I'd want them dead !  I'd be going to prison.     Just like the guys that rape children,   they should be dead, then you know they will never do it again.  Death would be a better place for these people. They will never be right for this world just like a dog that has the taste for blood.  It may be a good, nice dog, but still a killer and must be put down to protect the innocent.   Just my  

[Ghoste]

And I think there is also a good argument to be made that insanity and evil are in fact the same.

[71_deputy]

THIS GUY MUSTA BEEN KNOW FOR A LONG TIME THAT HE IS NOT NORMAL!!!!

someone has let him roam around with society knowing is is nuts- send that one away too so that others will not roam around to hurt or kill as well!!!!!!!!!!

[Back N Black]

I'd want them dead !  I'd be going to prison.     Just like the guys that rape children,   they should be dead, then you know they will never do it again.  Death would be a better place for these people. They will never be right for this world just like a dog that has the taste for blood.  It may be a good, nice dog, but still a killer and must be put down to protect the innocent.   Just my  

I agree. But it must be a slow and painful death.

[RECHRGD]

Shouldn't Al Kiada (sp?) be the ones to carry out the proper sentence?

[Charger_Fan]

Whoever the defending prosecutor was...the judge should have ruled that this waste of skin would spend the first 6 months of his incarceration at HIS house. Then we'd see how willing that prosecutor would be to try & get the next "crazy" person off on an insanity plea.

[Mike DC]

         
Under the current system, executing a prisoner takes a hell of a lot more of our tax money than incarcerating them for life.   

I'm not interested in supporting capital punishment until that gets fixed.
 
   

[Ghoste]

For me it'd be a better use of my tax dollars even if it's more; I'd rather pay 1 dollar for a fresh apple than 25 cents for a rotten one.  I wonder if it's the actual execution that costs more or is it more when they also add in the several years of prison time and multiple appearances back in the court system for their appeals?
Besides, what this guy got is about as far removed from capital punishment as it gets.  Taking into account that we have no capital punishment in Canada (which to me means there should be an even more severe "life" sentence for murder-and there isn't), he was basically given a time out like a toddler not knowing its wrong to put glue in his sisters hair.

[UFO]

         
Under the current system, executing a prisoner takes a hell of a lot more of our tax money than incarcerating them for life.  

I'm not interested in supporting capital punishment until that gets fixed.
 
  

How much does a bullet cost?

[bull]

         
Under the current system, executing a prisoner takes a hell of a lot more of our tax money than incarcerating them for life.   

I'm not interested in supporting capital punishment until that gets fixed.
 
   

I am. I'd gladly spend 10X the money to see people like this guy getting fried in trade for the atrocities they've committed. The peace of mind would be priceless, and we'd have a lot more room in the the prisons for those committing the lessor crimes.

[Mike DC]

 
Well I guess that's where I just differ in opinion. 


It's not the principle of execution that bothers me.  Hell, I'd probably increase the # of crimes punishable by death if I was running things.  (Bernie Madoff shouldn't still be breathing right now, for example.)

But IMHO the justice system is too phucked up & biased to be wielding that power in its current condition. 



I see a death penalty system that's not deterring crime, it's not being implemented fairly, and it's not even cheaper than locking the perps up for life.  So I don't support it right now.  Just my personal opinion.  If I thought it was doing even 1 of those 3 things tolerably well then I might change my mind.

       

[Ghoste]

Oh I agree it's not a deterrent, as I stated a while back this is mainly about revenge.  We can pretend all we want but capital punishment and most prison sentences are really about revenge.  When we let go of our hypocrisy about it being a crime deterrent and accept it as revenge, it makes it harder for some to pull the trigger and easier for others.  Me, I have no warm fuzzy feeling for this creep at all and I wouldn't need a shrink to convince me he's nuts either.  But I do feel for the victims family and in my sinful naked light of day they deserve their revenge.  Yes, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord and it's probably a sin for me to say everything I've said but it is where my lifes experiences have drawn me.  If somebody cuts off the head of one of my children I don't care if every shrink, every holy man, every bleeding heart stray puppy loving mother in the world begs for the freaks clemency, I'd pull the trigger myself.

[bull]

 
Well I guess that's where I just differ in opinion. 

I'd like to see certain people fry too.  (Hell, I'd pull the lever for some of them.)  But IMHO the justice system is too phucked up & biased to be wielding that power. 



I see a death penalty system that's not deterring crime, it's not being implemented fairly, and it's not even cheaper than locking the perps up for life.  So I don't support it right now.  Just my personal opinion.  If I thought it was doing even 1 of those 3 things tolerably well then I might change my mind.

       

I'm not necessarily talking across the board. In horrendous cases like this one where the deed was obvious and observed by several witnesses, however, the perp should cease to remain alive. His defense has already admitted guilt by the insanity plea so everyone knows he did it.

[bull]

Oh I agree it's not a deterrent, as I stated a while back this is mainly about revenge.  We can pretend all we want but capital punishment and most prison sentences are really about revenge.  When we let go of our hypocrisy about it being a crime deterrent and accept it as revenge, it makes it harder for some to pull the trigger and easier for others.  Me, I have no warm fuzzy feeling for this creep at all and I wouldn't need a shrink to convince me he's nuts either.  But I do feel for the victims family and in my sinful naked light of day they deserve their revenge.  Yes, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord and it's probably a sin for me to say everything I've said but it is where my lifes experiences have drawn me.  If somebody cuts off the head of one of my children I don't care if every shrink, every holy man, every bleeding heart stray puppy loving mother in the world begs for the freaks clemency, I'd pull the trigger myself.

I prefer the word justice to revenge but they're very similar in definition. Either way I'm all for it.

[Mike DC]

If somebody cuts off the head of one of my children I don't care if every shrink, every holy man, every bleeding heart stray puppy loving mother in the world begs for the freaks clemency, I'd pull the trigger myself.

Well, I think we can all drink to that one.

[Ghoste]

Thats pretty much what happened in this case though Mike.  The victim was on a bus for home, sleeping quietly when freak boy pulled out a knife and started stabbing as it was cruising down the highway.  The driver pulled the bus over and everybody got off in terror (to say the least) and freak boy commenced to cut off the poor kids head and then eat him.  He carried the head around the bus shaking it from the windows at the passengers who were there on the roadside.  There was no question of who did it or his sanity and a judge (who are unelected in Canada btw) gave him about the easiest sentence he could.  In Canada, freak boy could be back to bus riding in a very short time.


I should also make clear that none of this is meant as a disrespect to you or your opinion, it is simply that I do not agree with it in any way.

[Mike DC]

Hey, nobody wants to see people like that walking the streets again in two years.  He needed to at least spend a LONG time in some kind of institution or jail before the idea of releasing him is even discussed. 

[Magnumcharger]

And I think there is also a good argument to be made that insanity and evil are in fact the same.