1969 Daytona in Australia or Iran

[nascarxx29]

I think its highly coincedental that 2 same color daytonas with black interior black stripe .Would also have the identical turn signals location placement .And be bellow the headlight doors.And type of grille construction .Wasnt this daytona owned by 2 of the Monk family father and son

[tan top]

I think its highly coincedental that 2 same color daytonas would have turn signals bellow the headlight buckets.A and that type of grille.

yeah  ..  been thinking also ....how tight it is to the wall , looks like the driver stuck his head out to get it that close ,     so it could be the RHD Daytona  .........

[nascarxx29]

  Orange pictures I posted show the driving lights no a pillars and front wheel opening trim.And grille of same type of construction .And rear wheel openings modified.Just specualtion it maybe the before mods to same car

[Aero426]

I think its highly coincedental that 2 same color daytonas with black interior black stripe .Would also have the identical turn signals location placement .And be bellow the headlight doors.And type of grille construction .Wasnt this daytona owned by 2 of the Monk family father and son

I don't see any turn signals on the bottom of the nose below the headlights of the derelict car.
I see rows and rows of venting louvers on the bottom of the nose of the derelict car that are not both photos of the Aussie Daytona.  

As I see it for them to be the same car, AND the derelict photo taken FIRST,  they would have had to repair the louvers under the nose, and then knocked new holes for turn signals.   That doesn't make sense.

The grille construction is not the same as the derelict.  The size does not appear the same.  Count the number of grille bars on the derelict.  The opening is larger on the top side of the nose.   On the Aussie car, it's equal on top and bottom.

I don't see a right side mirror on the derelict.

[pettybird]

hey Doug it's orange and black--it HAS to be the same car.  I hear those are pretty rare 

[tan top]

I think its highly coincedental that 2 same color daytonas with black interior black stripe .Would also have the identical turn signals location placement .And be bellow the headlight doors.And type of grille construction .Wasnt this daytona owned by 2 of the Monk family father and son

I don't see any turn signals on the bottom of the nose below the headlights of the derelict car.
I see rows and rows of venting louvers on the bottom of the nose of the derelict car that are not both photos of the Aussie Daytona.  

As I see it for them to be the same car, AND the derelict photo taken FIRST,  they would have had to repair the louvers under the nose, and then knocked new holes for turn signals.   That doesn't make sense.

The grille construction is not the same as the derelict.  The size does not appear the same.  Count the number of grille bars on the derelict.  The opening is larger on the top side of the nose.   On the Aussie car, it's equal on top and bottom.

I don't see a right side mirror on the derelict.

hmmm yeah i see what your saying , good points ... look at the right side headlight door ,  looks to be out of alignment in the same way   

[Ghoste]

And its not unreasonable in the least to assume that once the grille opening was already altered, that a guy who was a known car customizer wouldn't change the grille bars over time.  After all, not leaving things as they are is the very essence of being a customizer.

[Old Moparz]

Regarding the grille, & aside from the fact that they are different, the Australian one appears to be symmetrical in size but not the other one. The leading edge of the Australian grille, or the bend point, divides the grille into two, equal, halves. The other grille has more area above the leading edge of the nose cone than below & is not symmetrical. I know that each photo was taken at a different horizontal angle, but the vertical angle is almost exact & shouldn't effect how much grille area is above or below the leading edge. I wish the photo of the "Iranian" car was larger & clearer.

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Hi,

please keep in mind, too that there have been a lot of american cars in the midle east bach in the 60s/70s.
Till the late 70s (1979) the Iran with the Schah was pro american. Also states like the Libanon have been rich countires til the war came in the late 70s. We do have in germany three Challengers which were sold new in Libanon and I have a friend with a 71 GTX in FJ6 which was sold new in Kuwait and imported to sweden in the late 70s. The middle east wasn't always "bad" to west.

Carsten

[nascarxx29]

Also anyplace a serviceman went.His car got a free ride to where ever

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Regarding the grille, & aside from the fact that they are different, the Australian one appears to be symmetrical in size than the other one. The leading edge of the Australian grille, or the bend point, divides the grille into two, equal, halves. The other grille has more area above the leading edge of the nose cone than below & is not symmetrical. I know that each photo was taken at a different horizontal angle, but the vertical angle is almost exact & shouldn't effect how much grille area is above or below the leading edge. I wish the photo of the "Iranian" car was larger & clearer.

I agree... too many differences to be the same car IMO

In addition to the differences previously noted, notice the following:
1) Iranian car seems to have more horizontal clearance from the headlight doors & more vertical overlap with them.
2) Australian car has larger opening corner radii, Iranian car may not have radii on lower corners(?)
3) Added fog lights appear to be smaller on Iranian car.
4) Nose to fender seals not readily visible on Iranian car, but might just be covered with grunge.

Just my 

Allen

[nascarxx29]

Map out the turn signal measurement placement locations of the 2 what would be the odds if there exact.If it is 2 near indentical cars .They must have been on the same thought waves in turn signal placement  .And again same idea on driving lights .And same color car and black interior and black stripe .Is quite a coincedence in all those factors

[Aero426]

The car in the bottom photo appears to still have the standard rectangular Daytona turn signals behind the grille.    They certainly do not look round.

[nascarxx29]

What about on the ones lower down on nose bellow headlight door.Both car have this feature what about there measurement and placement dimensions.The grille variation its in the correct opening with a overlaping wrap around tubing around the outside.And not fitting in the stepped metal edge as the corect grille frame would fit flush

[Aero426]

What about on the ones lower down on nose bellow headlight door.Both car have this feature what about there measurement and placement dimensions

Dave, the Iranian car has no turn signals below the headlights.  Only louvers.   Also, you keep talking about the car having a black stripe.   It's not really visible in the photo to tell what it is, if there is one on the car at all.   If there is a black stripe, I sure can't see it.

[69_500]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm not 100% sure it even has a wing on it. Appears to, but can't say for sure. The horizontal line in the picture could possibly be a frame to a door.

[Aero426]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm not 100% sure it even has a wing on it. Appears to, but can't say for sure. The horizontal line in the picture could possibly be a frame to a door.

The German web article stated the wing was missing.

[69_500]

See what I get for not clicking on the german link and reading for myself huh.

[nascarxx29]

I see it doesnt have white interior .I also think a white decal would show a shade different.So it appaers black .If the added fog light running lights behind the grille block the standard TS lamps .And the square not original openings bellow the center of the headlights would be the turn signals??  

[xs29j8Bullitt]

What about on the ones lower down on nose bellow headlight door.Both car have this feature what about there measurement and placement dimensions.The grille variation its in the correct opening with a overlaping wrap around tubing around the outside.And not fitting in the stepped metal edge as the corect grille frame would fit flush

The lights or louvers seem to be different in size and mounted at very different heights.  Just below the leading edge of the nose on the Aussie car, and about 2 inches lower on the Iranian car...

[hemigeno]

Does this help any?  The perspective is a little closer to being the same.

[nascarxx29]

Im refering to the added on lights that mimick where the superbird turn signals would go if this was a superbird .What are those dimension from one to the other.The super charger used a light in that near location.But mounted them on the spoiler

[Aero426]

Im refering to the added on lights that mimick where the superbird turn signals would go if this was a superbird .What are those dimension from one to the other

We keep coming back to this.   Dave, where do you see turn signals below the headlights on the car in the photo below.  I see louvers for added cooling, but that's all.   

[nascarxx29]

Unless its my computer I see squarish cut outs in center line of headlight doors but further down.Do you see them on the Aussie daytona.Dont appear to be a cut clear clean hole.Where air would flow through.

[Aero426]

Unless its my computer I see squarish cut outs in center line of headlight doors but further down.Do you see them on the Aussie daytona.

They are like cooling slits.   There are no lamps mounted there on the Iranian car. 

I see the lamps on the Aussie car. 

Also, look closely at the signals in the grille of the lower photo.   Those appear to be regular Daytona signal lamps, not round driving lights.