Got Snow? Get a Honda CR-V!

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Well since this is our first real snow day here in NYC, I got to test out the wife's '09 Honda CR-V AWD....plowed effortlessly through 10" of the white stuff.

I figured since I was off work & my daughters were off from school (first time in 5 years NYC closed public schools) I'd be a nice hubby & take my wife to work.
I can say that taking her there was a blast....only once did the traction loss light come on & the AWD kicked in effortlessly....didn't even know it was on.
Safe to say the wife loves it over the Odyssey van we traded in and wont look back.

Sadly the RWD Hemi stayed in the driveway

[Ghoste]

No thanks, haven't had any problem getting through the stuff with our Dodge Nitro 4X4. 

[Charger74]

CR-Vs are nice, my wife loves her.  She has never had a problem here in Iowa with her's.  However for those of us that a bit on the tall side (over 5' 8") they are a bit cramped though. 

[Mopar2Ya]

My HEMI blast through the snow just fine here in western NY. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

My HEMI blast through the snow just fine here in western NY. 

I'm sure the AWD helps with that

[Silver R/T]

Got my CTD Ram, will go through anything

[1969chargerrtse]

I was running errands around in the wife's Honda Pilot (4wd ) today in a snow blizzard.  That car is amazing. 80- 90mph ( on dry ground ) , smooth as glass.  Snow, what snow?  Even if there was traction lost, then there's the 4 wheel lock button.   Love love love all Honda products.

[TUFCAT]

I DRIVE A FORD TO SUPPORT DETROIT     

My FORD FLEX is excellent... could go on forever bragging about how great it is. (I do realize it was made in Canada before sombody else points this out).

I think both Honda's were built in the USA, but I prefer to support our 3 Detroit automakers. It's my choice, I'm going to leave it at that. 

Ford Flex has available AWD. 

[Rolling_Thunder]

No snow here in CA - but I take my Tacoma around the desert without issue   

[1969chargerrtse]

I DRIVE A FORD TO SUPPORT DETROIT     

My FORD FLEX is excellent... I could go on forever bragging about how great it is. (I do realize it was made in Canada before somebody else points this out).

I think both Honda's are built in the USA, but I prefer to support our 3 Detroit automakers. It's my choice, I'm going to leave it at that. 

Ford Flex also has available AWD. 

Come on now, it's a global economy.  I always bought domestic, but when it came to buying the right well built safe car for the wife, first time ever I bought what I thought was the best car for her out there no matter what country designed it.  Keep in mind a Honda GoldWing has more USA parts in it than a Harley.  Plus it's made in America.  ( Here we go, thread changer ). 

[PocketThunder]

I see you like personal plates..   

[TUFCAT]

I'm not getting political with you Rob, but my choice is to support Detroit jobs....fair enough?

By the way, its not a thread change.....its still about what we drive in the snow. 

[bordin34]

My brother's Pathfinder which I drive is great in the snow, you can choose 2wd or 4wd, it's more fun in 2wd though. Great car, more comfortable to drive and does everything better than my mom's '07 Grand Cherokee besides stopping. The engine is much more rev happy and better throttle response. It also puts out more power from its 3.5L (240hp) than the Jeep's 3.7L (210hp) or my dad's 3.8L (150hp) Ford.

[SeattleCharger]

honda?  here's my 91 civic, 230K miles, runs excellent, but guess which vehicle I drove this day,  w. seattle, snow is kinda rare, snowed a bunch more after this bit, roads were trashed, we're not equiped for it here with good plowing or salt, (thankfully no salt), but we use sand, and some de icing chemicals on the freeways on hills,  lots of hills all around here, watching some of the people try and drive was entertaining,   but the bronco did great, lots of tread on tires, hardly had to put it in 4x,   

[Silver R/T]

Clint Eastwood says "buy American, you p***y!"

[TUFCAT]

.......[Sadly the RWD Hemi stayed in the driveway]........

Chris, there's an AWD Hemi Charger R/T package available.  I realize it's not offered with the Daytona Pkg and 20" wheels ...   But hey, it's still available for those who need it.

[Mopar2Ya]

My HEMI blast through the snow just fine here in western NY. 

I'm sure the AWD helps with that

Yes it does, the wide low pro tires don't help much though.

I DRIVE A FORD TO SUPPORT DETROIT     

My FORD FLEX is excellent... I could go on forever bragging about how great it is. (I do realize it was made in Canada before sombody else points this out).

I think both Honda's were built in the USA, but I prefer to support our 3 Detroit automakers. It's my choice, I'm going to leave it at that. 

Ford Flex has available AWD. 

Amen bro!  

My brother's Pathfinder which I drive is great in the snow, you can choose 2wd or 4wd, it's more fun in 2wd though. Great car, more comfortable to drive and does everything better than my mom's '07 Grand Cherokee besides stopping. The engine is much more rev happy and better throttle response. It also puts out more power from its 3.5L (240hp) than the Jeep's 3.7L (210hp) or my dad's 3.8L (150hp) Ford.

I haven't road in this Pathflonder, but I don't think comparing the base engine in the Jeep to the biggest (my guess?, though I see they offer a V8 now something the American's have been doing for decades) in the Nissan apples to apples. Try comparing the biggest available in the GC, a 6.1L 420hp(or the other 2 V8's both of which are over 300hp). JMHO.
Long live Clint.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I haven't road in this Pathflonder, but I don't think comparing the base engine in the Jeep to the biggest (my guess?) in the Nissan apples to apples. Try comparing the biggest available in the GC, a 6.1L 420hp(or the other 2 V8's both of which are over 300hp). JMHO.
Long live Clint.

Dont sell the 6.1 short...its 425HP

PS---Like others stated my CR-V was made in the US while my Daytona was made in Canada...

PSS---FWIW I have driven the Daytona in the snow before with zero trouble...the friggin thing weighs 4k lbs so it has plenty of ballast

[Silver R/T]

"daytona" comes with traction control anyways, right?

[Mopar2Ya]

I haven't road in this Pathflonder, but I don't think comparing the base engine in the Jeep to the biggest (my guess?) in the Nissan apples to apples. Try comparing the biggest available in the GC, a 6.1L 420hp(or the other 2 V8's both of which are over 300hp). JMHO.
Long live Clint.

Dont sell the 6.1 short...its 425HP

PS---Like others stated my CR-V was made in the US while my Daytona was made in Canada...

PSS---FWIW I have driven the Daytona in the snow before with zero trouble...the friggin thing weighs 4k lbs so it has plenty of ballast

In the Jeep they rate the 6.1L at 420hp(restricted exhaust route?). http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/grand_cherokee/capability/powertrain/

[694spdRT]

My brother's Pathfinder which I drive is great in the snow, you can choose 2wd or 4wd, it's more fun in 2wd though. Great car, more comfortable to drive and does everything better than my mom's '07 Grand Cherokee besides stopping. The engine is much more rev happy and better throttle response. It also puts out more power from its 3.5L (240hp) than the Jeep's 3.7L (210hp) or my dad's 3.8L (150hp) Ford.

I haven't road in this Pathflonder, but I don't think comparing the base engine in the Jeep to the biggest (my guess?, though I see they offer a V8 now something the American's have been doing for decades) in the Nissan apples to apples. Try comparing the biggest available in the GC, a 6.1L 420hp(or the other 2 V8's both of which are over 300hp). JMHO.
Long live Clint.

My 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee has the "baby" 5.7 Hemi and it has 325hp.  Add that with the Quadra Drive II AWD system and electronic stability program and it does just fine in the white stuff. 

[1969chargerrtse]

I'm not getting political with you Rob, but my choice is to support Detroit jobs....fair enough?

By the way, its not a thread change.....its still about what we drive in the snow. 

Totally respect that my friend. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I haven't road in this Pathflonder, but I don't think comparing the base engine in the Jeep to the biggest (my guess?) in the Nissan apples to apples. Try comparing the biggest available in the GC, a 6.1L 420hp(or the other 2 V8's both of which are over 300hp). JMHO.
Long live Clint.

Dont sell the 6.1 short...its 425HP

PS---Like others stated my CR-V was made in the US while my Daytona was made in Canada...

PSS---FWIW I have driven the Daytona in the snow before with zero trouble...the friggin thing weighs 4k lbs so it has plenty of ballast

In the Jeep they rate the 6.1L at 420hp(restricted exhaust route?). http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/grand_cherokee/capability/powertrain/

What ever it is they are bad azz!  Love watching them run 10's & 11's @ Englishtown

"daytona" comes with traction control anyways, right?

Yep works well...sometimes too good...gotta remember to switch it off for the smoke shows

[bigcountry]

Honda??? Toyota?  C'mon...how can you own classic muscle and even stand to drive this stuff!   I'd push a ford through the snow, uphill both ways before I'd drive an import anything.  I'd even rather be seen in a Chevrolet.

[1969chargerrtse]

Honda??? Toyota?  C'mon...how can you own classic muscle and even stand to drive this stuff!   I'd push a ford through the snow, uphill both ways before I'd drive an import anything.  I'd even rather be seen in a Chevrolet.

That's the problem.  We usually end up pushing our fords.   Ain't nothing wrong with a Chevrolet.  

[Silver R/T]

Honda??? Toyota?  C'mon...how can you own classic muscle and even stand to drive this stuff!   I'd push a ford through the snow, uphill both ways before I'd drive an import anything.  I'd even rather be seen in a Chevrolet.

That's the problem.  We usally end up pushing our fords.  Ain't nothing  wrong with a Chevrolet.

lol guy at work laughs at me for buying my CTD. He drives a '77 chevy truck that he fixes 4 days out of the week to drive it once a week lol. He has a back up Suburban that breaks every so often. He swears he'll never buy new truck. I think he's related to Joe Dirt.

[SeattleCharger]

Honda??? Toyota?  C'mon...how can you own classic muscle and even stand to drive this stuff!   I'd push a ford through the snow, uphill both ways before I'd drive an import anything.  I'd even rather be seen in a Chevrolet.

That's the problem.  We usally end up pushing our fords.  Ain't nothing  wrong with a Chevrolet.

lol guy at work laughs at me for buying my CTD. He drives a '77 chevy truck that he fixes 4 days out of the week to drive it once a week lol. He has a back up Suburban that breaks every so often. He swears he'll never buy new truck. I think he's related to Joe Dirt.

[NHCharger]

My wife drives a 2000 Jeep GC, AWD during the winter. She loves it, except for today. Started down a hill at 20 mph and it looked icy, tapped her brakes to check and next thing she knows she's doing 360's down the hill. She bounced off one snow bank and landed sideways in the other. She called me to tell me what happened and my first question, is the car OK, was apparently NOT the correct question to ask.

[72chargerSE]

2007 CHRYSLER ASPEN HEMI here.......goes through the Michigan snow with no problems.

[Mopar2Ya]

Ha ha.... Joe Dirt... business in the front, party in the back! 
NHCharger, hope the wife is ok.

[TUFCAT]

2007 CHRYSLER ASPEN HEMI here.......goes through the Michigan snow with no problems.

You're kidding right?? You mean you didn't buy a Japanese brand 4x4 to drive through snow?  
I'll bet you also have the 2WD, 4WD, and 4WDLOW selctions on your Hemi?  With capability of 6 passengers (std 3rd row seat) while towing a 21' camper, (or car trailer) though any mountain range in the USA with ease.  

Obviously, your gas mileage isn't the bragging right, but its the right vehicle for your needs.

Also good in the snow! (.....following our current topic).

....  Looks like TUFCAT needs a cat nap before I go off on my soapbox... Oye Vey! SNOOZE KITTY....SNOOZE. 

[Dans 68]

...snow...? 

Dan

[ACUDANUT]

Clint Eastwood says "buy American, you p***y!"

That's funny. 
But, I like it.

[moparjohn]

98 Ram w/solid axles, pull lever to 4WD and continue at regular speed, no problem.

[72chargerSE]

2007 CHRYSLER ASPEN HEMI here.......goes through the Michigan snow with no problems.

You're kidding right?? You mean you didn't buy a Japanese brand 4x4 to drive through snow?    

I'll bet you also have the 2WD, 4WD, and 4WDLOW selctions on your Hemi?  With capability of 6 passengers (std 3rd row seat) while towing a 21' camper, (or car trailer) though any mountain range in the USA with ease.  

Obviously, your gas mileage isn't a bragging right, but its the right vehicle for your needs.

No 2wd in the Chrysler....full time AWD, 4WD high, 4WD Low....Body on frame construction (re: a REAL truck), 7-passenger capacity, smooth, quiet ride, 335 hp, 375 ft./lb torque HEMI, tows up to 8,950 lbs.... HONDA CR-V is a toy.

[Troy]

Hmmm, choices, choices...

I can tell you that my 1999 Cummins Ram 3500 (dually) absolutely sucks on wet roads/snow even though it's 4WD so it doesn't go anywhere in winter. I like my 1997 Tacoma - it's a blast in the snow and I don't even put weight in the bed. However, this year I also have a 2006 Tahoe LT with 4WD, ABS, traction control, heated mirrors, and heated leather seats so it's been the only vehicle I've been driving when the weather turns bad.

Troy

[TUFCAT]

No 2wd in the Chrysler....full time AWD, 4WD high, 4WD Low....Body on frame construction (re: a REAL truck), 7-passenger capacity, smooth, quiet ride, 335 hp, 375 ft./lb torque HEMI, tows up to 8,950 lbs.... HONDA CR-V is a toy.

Thanks dude.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I'm not getting political with you Rob, but my choice is to support Detroit jobs....fair enough?

By the way, its not a thread change.....its still about what we drive in the snow. 

My Tacoma is more american than most GM, Ford, or Mopars   

[1969chargerrtse]

...snow...? 

Dan

That ain't right. 

[Silver R/T]

Hmmm, choices, choices...

I can tell you that my 1999 Cummins Ram 3500 (dually) absolutely sucks on wet roads/snow even though it's 4WD so it doesn't go anywhere in winter. I like my 1997 Tacoma - it's a blast in the snow and I don't even put weight in the bed. However, this year I also have a 2006 Tahoe LT with 4WD, ABS, traction control, heated mirrors, and heated leather seats so it's been the only vehicle I've been driving when the weather turns bad.

Troy

I've heard dually's don't do as well in the snow for the reason of extra wheels in the back

[C_stripes]

I'm not getting political with you Rob, but my choice is to support Detroit jobs....fair enough?

By the way, its not a thread change.....its still about what we drive in the snow. 

My Tacoma is more american than most GM, Ford, or Mopars   

I just want to say something about Toyota. Not trying to start anything or change anyone's minds, just informing people. Yes, I work for a Toyota Dealer and have worked with Toyota Directly helping the Toyota street team. Am I a Toyota fan? They are damn good vehicles that don't have many problems. Now to the point.
The Tundras where designed, engineered, and built right here in the USA. They have two main plants, the Main in San Antonio, TX and another in Princeton, IN. Their running gear is also all built here in America. Recently, with vehicle sales down, the San Antonio plant still kept over 2200 people employed even though they were not building anything. They were paying people and not just laying them off like the big three have been. There are more Toyota's built here in America than there are Dodges, GM, and Ford. The only Toyota models that come Sollie from Japan are the FJ Cruisers and the Hybrid cars. Most others are all built in America.
So not to disagree with you supporting Detroit. But, if you buy a Toyota, chances are you are still supporting American families. 

I used to be set completely on Mopar, but if I was to buy a new truck, I would have a real hard time not buying a Tundra.   And let me tell you, working with the street team. Which is part of their marketing. I was yelled at and heard some crazy things from people. I had to stand at a Martina McCbride concert and tell people about them. Talk about a ruff crowd. Whole bunch of Cowboys that are alittle drunk here in the country. I'll admit that I got nervous a time or two.

[TUFCAT]

There are more Toyota's built here in America than there are Dodges, GM, and Ford.

You better check that....

I don't know where you get those production figiures.....but based on sales volume alone, I suspect you're wrong. Here are some FACTS!

Jan 2009 (MTD)

Toyota:  177,287 units sold.... down 31.7% from Jan 2008.
General Motors:  128,198 units sold.....down 48.9% from Jan 2008.
Ford:   93,041 units sold....down 41.6% from Jan 2008.
Chrysler LLC:   62,157 units sold.....down 54.8% from Jan 2008.

Where did you come up with this information?  The facts show 50,000 less Toyotas were sold (than the combined number) of GM, Ford and Chrysler products ...in the worst month for domestic sales on record! 

If you're correct about Toyota's U.S production figures,  there must be a hell of a lot of unsold Toyota's sitting on the ground.

[C_stripes]

I didn't say sold, I said BUILT. Most of Chrysler is built in Canada and Mexico. I honestly don't know much about for and it seems that GM is mostly build in Canada.

As far as my facts, I don't really remember where I read them. So I may be slightly off, but if so. It is still comparable. 

As far as sold units. I know that the Dealership that I work at, Toyota, Scion, and Honda. We sold over 50 cars in Feb and around 70 in Jan. Compared to 3? GMs in Feb and 4? in Jan at the GM dealer next door to us. If I recall correctly. The Ford Nissan dealer down the road sold 5? in Jan and 4? in Feb. In all cases, that includes used cars as well.

Again, not trying to change anyone's mind, I just don't think people realise how many Toyota's are actually built in the USA.   

[TUFCAT]

I didn't say sold, I said BUILT. Most of Chrysler is built in Canada and Mexico.

I just don't think people realise how many Toyota's are actually built in the USA.   

Great.  Show me some production numbers.

Then we can make an apples to apples comparison (like I did based on sales). Unfortunatly, I don't have access to your production figures.  I'm relying on you to prove your point with real data. 

By the way, Toyota Tacoma trucks are built in Tijuana mexico, as well as the NUMMI plant in Fremont, California.

Additional Toyota production of the Corolla, Matrix, and Lexus RX 330 is done at the Cambridge, Ontario plant southwest of Toronto.

[C_stripes]

Tufcat, I will look for numbers if you really want. Like I stated before, I wasn't trying to start anything. I am almost regretting saying anything. 

[1969chargerrtse]

Thread change thread change.  No matter what, I have always known that Toyota and Honda built the best cars.  My  of course but I've been around awhile and had my own repair shop.  I worked and sold them all.  I had a great customer that had a Cherokee I worked on a lot.  One day he asked me my advise on what to buy next.  I said get a Toyota or Honda and I'll see you later.  Bye bye customer gone.  He bought a Previa and the last time I saw him was because of a noise in the rear.  it had over 70,000 miles on it with EVERYTHING original even the front brake pads.  I found a rusty rear wheel bearing because he put the rear into the ocean one to many times I guess with his boat .  That was the first and last time I ever saw him.  Hey I have a Pontiac Transport and it, and the one before it have done well.  But the Honda's and Toyota's do great.

Oh one last    I saw how Toyota was trying to grab the truck market.  They spent millions on commercials.  No no, that ain't happening.  Not the heartbeat of America.  They want to build cars fine, but you ain't messing with Americas trucks!  No way, no how.    Hey you have to draw the line somewhere. 

[bigcountry]

It's not really where they are produced, it's where the prophits go.  And don't think for a minute there are no prophits to be had....if that where so, the doors would close real quick...that's buisness.

[Ghoste]

And as for snow, there have been many many times that I've been out in the Nitro the last couple of winters driving around in the snow while all of those amazing and perfect marvels of auto engineering that you guys are bragging about were stuck in their driveways.  Maybe none of the Hondota drivers around here here know how to drive in the snow or maybe they aren't quite as superior as the Asian buyers always want to make me believe, I don't know.  I do know i've never seen a snowplow on the front of an Asian vehicle and I've never seen an Asian tow truck.  I know they exist, I've just never seen one here.  I have however seen lots and lots of Hondotas getting pulled out of drifts and getting their driveways cleaned out by Fords, Chevs and Rams and I've seen plenty of Fords Chevs and Rams with a Hondota on the hook.  All of those perfect Hondota dealerships have service departments with lots of cars waiting to get in and they sure as hell aren't all there for an oil change so buy what you want, be happy and I'll do the same.  In my case it's still Dodge. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Tufcat, I will look for numbers if you really want. Like I stated before, I wasn't trying to start anything. I am almost regretting saying anything. 

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

[Ghoste]

And you didn't see it coming? 

[TUFCAT]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motor City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....forgive me if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motory City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....sorry if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

Again all the "subject" was about was how much I liked the CR-V in the snow

Everyone else made it a different "subject"...as usual

Sorry to offend

[PocketThunder]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motory City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....sorry if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

Again all the "subject" was about was how much I liked the CR-V in the snow

Everyone else made it a different "subject"...as usual

Sorry to offend

My spouse has an Odyssey, they are great vans, what made you decide to trade yours in for the CR-V?

[Mopar2Ya]

Tires can make a big difference in the snow too. MT tires don't always do well on-road, in icy conditions.

It's not really where they are produced, it's where the prophits go.  And don't think for a minute there are no prophits to be had....if that where so, the doors would close real quick...that's buisness.

Very true the profit is the main point. There is no doubt Detroit should bring those jobs back to the USA.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motory City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....sorry if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

Again all the "subject" was about was how much I liked the CR-V in the snow

Everyone else made it a different "subject"...as usual

Sorry to offend

My spouse has an Odyssey, they are great vans, what made you decide to trade yours in for the CR-V?

Lease was up....plus it was my second Odyssey (had an '02 then an '05)Served their purpose when the kids were smaller.  Also we went smaller to avoid being the designated taxi cab, plus the fuel economy is better etc...

[ACUDANUT]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motor City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....forgive me if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

I'm with TUFCAT on this one.
Toyota's are made here and provides jobs. However The Japanese owners are the ones getting richer.  We need to get Our Country Back. 

[1969chargerrtse]

Oh stop it please. We are in a global economy. I would love to walk through all of your homes and point out all the non American made items you own. He who makes the best car has the best sales. End of story.

[TUFCAT]

Oh stop it please. We are in a global economy. I would love to walk through all of your homes and point out all the non American made items you own. He who makes the best car has the best sales. End of story.

Okay then, a "global economy" it is..... Let's see how this fictional "global economy" works out.

Perhaps a Japanese Elevator Manufacturer decides to market, sell, and install lots of elevators to accounts all over New England. Then this Japanese company decides to bring in their "own" technical crews from Japan - - that can ONLY service these elevators. In fact, they also decide to build a new manufacturing facility here. "Bob" stays with his existing employer because he's loyal, they pay him a very good wage, with good benefits, and a pension.

Ten years from now, "Bob" the elevator technician still works for the American based elevator service company in Connecticut but may be out of a job soon because the Japanese elevator company now has 50% of the business.  Unfortunately, Japan has high tariffs on American elevators to protect their industries, so the American elevator company can't sell and service their elevators in Japan.

Now "Bob's" company has to make cuts even though the quality of the American elevators is equal to or greater than the Japanese product.  Unfortunately, with just 50% of market share, they had to lay off good people like "Bob" just to survive in this "global economy"....which doesn't seem fair to "Bob", or his family... 


That was a fictional story. The reality is when Hondotas are built here....the profits go to Japan where the mother company gets a lot more money to design and engineer their new products. They also bring in many Japanese suppliers (to set up shop here in the USA) whose profits also go directly back to Japan.

Toyota brags about having a tech center in Ann Arbor Michigan that develops and engineers their cars. The last time I heard it had about 700 employees. You CANNOT develop and engineer a brand new car with 700 employees. Chrysler, the smallest, had 11,000 employees in design and engineering.

The rest can be saved for PM message between you so I don't get too political here. 

[SeattleCharger]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motor City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....forgive me if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

Go BLUE!!!     I lived with my uncle for a while in Saginaw in 1990,  it was trippy to be there in Michigan. In seattle there was already a million honds and toyotas and datsuns in 1990, had been from the start, closer to asia importing for one, and more asians live here, 
  So back then I drive this 1975 toyota celica gt to michigan and live there for ten weeks,   no one had ever seen one.  I drove it into the toyota dealership for the heck of it, they didn't know what it was, ha,  it was yellow with cragars and eagle st tires.   I took my uncles secretary on a drive, and she thought it was an old camaro       Anyways, I had never seen so many american cars around.   Now you go there, and there are a lot of imports.  ask them, and they usually say its the quality, the first import owners took a lot of crap, but then slowly it was more acceptable to own japanese. 

[72chargerSE]

Replace "Elevator Company" with "Automotive Supplier" and "Bob" with "Mike" and it's exactly what has happened to me. I have been out of work since November because of this "Global Economy" crap.

Remember this, your classic 40 year old Dodge was engineered in part by my father...who is now a retired Chrysler employee looking at a very bleak future of the AMERICAN auto industry created by this "Global Economy".

MIKE

[TUFCAT]

Replace "Elevator Company" with "Automotive Supplier" and "Bob" with "Mike" and it's exactly what has happened to me. I have been out of work since November because of this "Global Economy" crap.

Remember this, your classic 40 year old Dodge was engineered in part by my father...who is now a retired Chrysler employee looking at a very bleak future of the AMERICAN auto industry created by this "Global Economy".

MIKE

Right on brother!

[72chargerSE]

You and me both pal....I only posted how much I liked my wife's Honda then the holier than thou's chimed in with their "truckers trucks" (love that Chevy commercial with Howie Long)
Wheres that train wreck pic? 

I live in the Motor City. My family, friends, and neighbors have been laid off....forgive me if I'm a little sensitive about the subject.

Go BLUE!!!     I lived with my uncle for a while in Saginaw in 1990,  it was trippy to be there in Michigan. In seattle there was already a million honds and toyotas and datsuns in 1990, had been from the start, closer to asia importing for one, and more asians live here, 
  So back then I drive this 1975 toyota celica gt to michigan and live there for ten weeks,   no one had ever seen one.  I drove it into the toyota dealership for the heck of it, they didn't know what it was, ha,  it was yellow with cragars and eagle st tires.   I took my uncles secretary on a drive, and she thought it was an old camaro       Anyways, I had never seen so many american cars around.   Now you go there, and there are a lot of imports.  ask them, and they usually say its the quality, the first import owners took a lot of crap, but then slowly it was more acceptable to own japanese. 

As a lifelong Michigan resident, and THIRD GENERATION autoworker....it is not that "acceptable" to own or drive an import as you would think. The tide of patriotism is turning slowly in the AMERICAN automakers favor, people are realizing it's not to cool to s**t in your own nest.

MIKE

[1969chargerrtse]

 I hear you people. What the heck do I know?  I just think Hondas are great cars.  One door shuts, another one opens. We'll be fine.

[SeattleCharger]

Ya, I went to michigan again this last summer to visit my grandpa, 93 years old, stayed at my uncles.  It was harsh what happened to local economy, the amount of loss of home values my uncle had, and what you could buy a house for in the poorer neighborhoods I couldn't believe.  Sad to see such a big american institution as "detroit" going down so hard,   and yes, I have a bronco and an F-150, and they are real trucks, (ok, so F-150 is light duty), but its way bigger and feels better than the nissan ext cab 4x I got rid of within a couple months of buying it, (that's how long it took to sell it).    But hondas and toyotas are mind numbingly reliable, makes it tough to compete with them . . .

[69bronzeT5]

I agree, we need to keep the car business alive in North America.  My family has all American cars.

Mom: '04 Grand Am
Her boyfriend: '97 Surburban
Dad: '90 Mustang, '91 Bronco
Uncle and aunt: '08 Ram, '05 LHS
Grandpa: '95 Stratus

[TUFCAT]

I agree, we need to keep the car business alive in North America.  My family has all American cars.

Mom: '04 Grand Am
Her boyfriend: '97 Surburban
Dad: '90 Mustang, '91 Bronco
Uncle and aunt: '08 Ram, '05 LHS
Grandpa: '95 Stratus

05 LHS? Don't you mean 300?  In the US, the LHS ended after 2001, but Concorde continued through 2004. 2005 saw the restyled 300 line-up.

[SeattleCharger]

Where's the snow?      

cool link about joe dirt's daytona

       http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/69_Joe_Dirt_Daytona.html

[69bronzeT5]

I agree, we need to keep the car business alive in North America.  My family has all American cars.

Mom: '04 Grand Am
Her boyfriend: '97 Surburban
Dad: '90 Mustang, '91 Bronco
Uncle and aunt: '08 Ram, '05 LHS
Grandpa: '95 Stratus

05 LHS? Don't you mean 300?  In the US, the LHS ended after 2001, but Concorde continued through 2004. 2005 saw the restyled 300 line-up.

Must be a 2001 then. I always get confused with the year of it.

[TUFCAT]

Cody, I forget to think about Canada.....

Chrysler of Canada could have continued to use the LHS nameplate longer the the US market did. I really don't know?  You could be correct.  My reply was based on the "US market LHS". 

[Ghoste]

Nope, it was the same here.