What Chargers got the emblem after the Charger script on the sail panel?

[challenger70]

Mine has it and am curious as to why?

[Ghoste]

1966, 1967, 1968 and some 72's as far as I know.

[challenger70]

1966, 1967, 1968 and some 72's as far as I know.

Most I see don't have it though?  I heard it was only on early production '68. I am talking about the arrow or whatever the symbol is after the script on the sail panel, like what is on the headlight door of non-r/t's.

[Dans 68]

Mine has it and am curious as to why?

I have never seen an original '68 with the emblems on the sail panel. That being said I sure would like to see some photos of your '68. The previous owner of my '68 (a 383 4-speed also) added them when he restored it, but he told me he did it because he liked the look. I know the Dealership Data Book for '68 shows the emblems on the XP's and XS's, but.... Again, I have never seen them on a '68. Send photos, please! 

1966, 1967, 1968 and some 72's as far as I know.

Ghoste, how do you know that '68's had them?

Dan

Edit - added a photo from the Dealer Data Book showing the sail panel emblem.

[Ghoste]

Don't know, I happened to have a 68 brochure on the desk when the question was asked because I was looking up something else earlier and thats what I get for trusting that (and I should know better by now).  The 72's I'm going by memory and I think only certain models had it, but I could be wrong.  The 66 and 67 for sure.

[challenger70]

Mine has it and am curious as to why?

I have never seen an original '68 with the emblems on the sail panel. That being said I sure would like to see some photos of your '68. The previous owner of my '68 (a 383 4-speed also) added them when he restored it, but he told me he did it because he liked the look. I know the Dealership Data Book for '68 shows the emblems on the XP's and XS's, but.... Again, I have never seen them on a '68. Send photos, please! 

1966, 1967, 1968 and some 72's as far as I know.

Ghoste, how do you know that '68's had them?

Dan

Edit - added a photo from the Dealer Data Book showing the sail panel emblem.

Only problem is I do not know the history on my car past the previous owner.  I have already found a few incorrect things for a '68 like the '69 doors, gas cap and rear view mirror, so who knows if it was actually built with them.  That is kind of why I wanted to find out what '68's came with them to see if they are correct.  Fender tag is long gone too, so I don't know if it is an original 4 speed either...  Build sequence from the VIN is 110693 and it was built at the Hamtramack Plant.

[Dans 68]

Have you checked the A833 tranny to see if your cars partial vin is stamped on it? Look at the engine also...this should tell you if the power train is original. Have you looked for a build sheet? But, no matter, you are already a winner in the Charger lottery. A '68 4-speed. Nice. 

Dan

[UFO]

Checking on just a couple road test's I have handy.No emblem on the test cars.
They seem to be on most of the factory released photos.
I'm guessing it was very early from the factory or they were added later using the press photo's thinking they should be there.
Thought this was discussed before.

[Dans 68]

Checking on just a couple road test's I have handy.No emblem on the test cars.
They seem to be on most of the factory released photos.
I'm guessing it was very early from the factory or they were added later using the press photo's thinking they should be there.
Thought this was discussed before.

I can't find a specific thread on the sail panel emblem. But just to throw a little water on the fire I've attached a photo (seen on thread http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,40119.0.html) showing a '68 being assembled. No emblem next to the Charger script.

Dan

Edit - added an actual '68 on the assembly line. The first photo is of a '69. My apologies....

[tan top]

Checking on just a couple road test's I have handy.No emblem on the test cars.
They seem to be on most of the factory released photos.
I'm guessing it was very early from the factory or they were added later using the press photo's thinking they should be there.
Thought this was discussed before.

I can't find a specific thread on the sail panel emblem. But just to throw a little water on the fire I've attached a photo (seen on thread http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,40119.0.html) showing a '68 being assembled. No emblem next to the Charger script.

Dan

if i remember rightly there was a big discussion about that extra sail panel emblem  sideways arrow .. might of been on the old site
have at least one road test picture with them fitted  or it might be a factory picture , cant remember i'll have to look into it ,  pretty sure only a small number  of the first   few  68s had   that emblem  from what i remember of the out come of that thread    might be getting mixed up with something else 

[challenger70]

I was going to snap some fresh pics but of course my camera battery is dead, I will try and grab some tomorrow after my battery charges up.  I posted a pic in the giant lets see your charger thread, I will try and find the page.

Found it
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,6.msg490767.html#msg490767

[bull]

I've never seen one on a '68 other than in a sales brochure or parts book.

[UFO]

Dan , I think that's from the '69 line.I have saved two other pics with the same info written on them.

[Dans 68]

Dan , I think that's from the '69 line.I have saved two other pics with the same info written on them.

You are right. Lets see if I can find a good photo. 

Dan

[UFO]

here's one.
challenger70 Not saying your car is wrong.Those emblems must be on some cars.

[UFO]

challenger70 , Does your car have a low serial number?

[Dans 68]

challenger70 , Does your car have a low serial number?

Mine has it and am curious as to why?

I have never seen an original '68 with the emblems on the sail panel. That being said I sure would like to see some photos of your '68. The previous owner of my '68 (a 383 4-speed also) added them when he restored it, but he told me he did it because he liked the look. I know the Dealership Data Book for '68 shows the emblems on the XP's and XS's, but.... Again, I have never seen them on a '68. Send photos, please! 

1966, 1967, 1968 and some 72's as far as I know.

Ghoste, how do you know that '68's had them?

Dan

Edit - added a photo from the Dealer Data Book showing the sail panel emblem.

Only problem is I do not know the history on my car past the previous owner.  I have already found a few incorrect things for a '68 like the '69 doors, gas cap and rear view mirror, so who knows if it was actually built with them.  That is kind of why I wanted to find out what '68's came with them to see if they are correct.  Fender tag is long gone too, so I don't know if it is an original 4 speed either...  Build sequence from the VIN is 110693 and it was built at the Hamtramack Plant.

[UFO]

Oh crap Thanks Dan.
Not exactly an early car is it?

[Dans 68]

Oh crap Thanks Dan.
Not exactly an early car is it?

That's o.k. You're just just a youngster on this board (at least 21 posts behind me). 

It should be a '67 build, maybe October or November. Someone here should know....

Dan

[UFO]

Since I posted a factory photo without emblem,thought I would balance it out.

[Nacho-RT74]

66-70s and 71/72s in mostly of cases...

[Ghoste]

No 69's or 70's and not 68 either by the look of things, except possibly some very early 68's but the 68 gurus are debating that.  Didn't know they had them on the 71's too.

[Nacho-RT74]

who says that ?:


I don't remember any charger at Carlisle without sail panel emblem.all resto delares offers 66-70 Charger sail panels emblems.

71/72s had them too, not in all cases but at least half of them, specially canopy roof models

[Ghoste]

The little arrow symbol.

[Nacho-RT74]

Oh Ok,we are talking abouty JUST the arrow after the script... LOL, sorry    ... well some 72s had them. Mostly Rallyes

[challenger70]

 

[challenger70]

The little arrow symbol.

LOL, another question in a question, what is the story behind that symbol?

[challenger70]

here's one.
challenger70 Not saying your car is wrong.Those emblems must be on some cars.

I am not saying it it right either though, I would not be surprised if it wasn't right.  I have admitedly learned a lot about Chargers since I picked this car up 18 months ago, I had no idea of all the little nuances between 68-69.  I have found a few incorreect things since becoming more informed, mostly thanks to this site  The vin translates to a 383 2bbl (XP) car built at hamtramack. Other than that the car is a mystery.  I am fairly certain the 4 speed is not the original to the car.  Although I suspect is is an original 4 speed as the hump was/is all hacked out BEFORE the last owner switched it from a auto to a 4 speed, and he said it bolted right up to the trans x-member, were those different between autos and 4 speeds or were they the same?.  Meaning it got hacked to put the auto in it if I put my detective hat on, maybe? The 383 however has a slight chance of being original but I have no idea. I find it hard to believe someone would go through the trouble to add emblems like that but I guess a lot can happen in 40 years.

[Ghoste]

The story behind the little symbol is that "Cam" Cameron, the stylist who penned the 1966 Charger, had that little symbol left over from when he did the Dart prior to the Charger.  He had wanted to use it on the Dart but someone higher up than him had nixed the idea.  He liked it so when he did the Charger he found another chance to try and use it.

[challenger70]

Pics

[challenger70]

passenger side

[challenger70]

The story behind the little symbol is that "Cam" Cameron, the stylist who penned the 1966 Charger, had that little symbol left over from when he did the Dart prior to the Charger.  He had wanted to use it on the Dart but someone higher up than him had nixed the idea.  He liked it so when he did the Charger he found another chance to try and use it.

neat, did he ever say what it was supposed to be??

[Ghoste]

A stylised dart (for the Dart).

[A383Wing]

And the arrow is supposed to be pointing "forward" on the sail panels.

[gasoline_24]

My dad's 68 had the emblem on his.  I am unsure on the production date though.

[tan top]

The story behind the little symbol is that "Cam" Cameron, the stylist who penned the 1966 Charger, had that little symbol left over from when he did the Dart prior to the Charger.  He had wanted to use it on the Dart but someone higher up than him had nixed the idea.  He liked it so when he did the Charger he found another chance to try and use it.

good infomation  (Ghoste)    never knew the story 

[UFO]

Judging by the photos,it doesn't look like someone just mounted them any old way.
If it were my car they would stay on.Whether it's deemed correct or not.

[Ghoste]

I'm not sure I'd agree with that since one points forward and the other points rearward.  Thats the other thing Cameron mentioned and 833wing has as well, they are supposed to point forward.

[challenger70]

I haven't really decided on whether they are staying or not, final bodywork is years away anyway.  I will definitely try and fix the one pointing the wrong way, if I can get to it w/ out ruining the headliner, thanks for the heads up guys

[challenger70]

My dad's 68 had the emblem on his.  I am unsure on the production date though.

Were they on from the factory though?  It seems as this is still a grey area as to what cars got them, if any in '68.

[Dans 68]

...I will definitely try and fix the one pointing the wrong way, if I can get to it w/ out ruining the headliner, thanks for the heads up guys

Are you certain that the emblem has mounting pins? I've always thought that these emblems were just "stuck" on the sail panels with adhesive. The extras emblems I have (don't ask  ) all have an adhesive surface for mounting.

Dan

[Ghoste]

66-67 have pins.

[challenger70]

Are you certain that the emblem has mounting pins?

No, I just assumed they did, I will have to peek up in the headliner and see

[bk72]

My 1972 does have it. when we got the car 8 years ago it was there so i think it should be.

[UFO]

[/quote]

Are you certain that the emblem has mounting pins? I've always thought that these emblems were just "stuck" on the sail panels with adhesive. The extras emblems I have (don't ask  ) all have an adhesive surface for mounting.

Dan
[/quote]

The '68-70 "charger" script has pins.I just assume the arrows would as well.
AFAIK the adhesive emblems were mid '70s and up thing.

[bk72]

my 1972 has mounting pins. but we used an adhesive too.

[challenger70]

Are you certain that the emblem has mounting pins?

No, I just assumed they did, I will have to peek up in the headliner and see

just checked, definitely 2 pins/palnuts holding each arrow on.

[Ghoste]

bk72, is that the arrow badge or is that the circular SE badge on your car?

[UFO]

Located a feature that shows both sides.
Yes, the arrows point forward.

[gasoline_24]

My dad's 68 had the emblem on his.  I am unsure on the production date though.

Were they on from the factory though?  It seems as this is still a grey area as to what cars got them, if any in '68.

They were on when he bought it in 1970, so they could have been changed, but I do not think that they were.

[challenger70]

My dad's 68 had the emblem on his.  I am unsure on the production date though.

Were they on from the factory though?  It seems as this is still a grey area as to what cars got them, if any in '68.

They were on when he bought it in 1970, so they could have been changed, but I do not think that they were.

Yeah probably not if they were on it that soon.  I had no idea this was such an unknown area, I figured everyone would know which cars came with these.

[Ghoste]

On the other hand, the original owner could have easily been looking at a 67 still on the lot and decided he wanted the arrows on there and even had the dealer put them on before delivery.   Hell, he could have thought it was a factory oversight leaving them based on the previous two years having them and seeing it in the brochure.  I know a 67 owner who immediately had 68 marker lights installed when the 2nd gens came out.  There's just no way of knowing without proof from day one.

[Dans 68]

Unless some posts a picture of brand new '68 Chargers all lined up at the assembly plant having the emblem I'm tending to believe it was not a factory install.  It is simply just another urban tale regarding the '68. 

Dan

[gasoline_24]

This is the only picture my dad has of his car, but you can make them out clearly from the pic.