Paris is burning?...........>>>>

[Johnny SixPack]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051105/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting

This quote sums up the type of people doing this:

"In one particularly malevolent attack, youths in the eastern Paris suburb of Meaux prevented paramedics from evacuating a sick person from a housing project. They pelted rescuers with rocks, then torched the waiting ambulance, an Interior Ministry official said."

Random civil disobedience is once thing, but denying care to sick individuals, and then destroying the ambulance is completely uncalled for.

Vain, did you get a sense of any of this when you were there this summer?

[Charger_Fan]

Some people just suck...especially when the mindless friggin' sheep are caught up in a mob mentality.

[Troy]

I guess not everyone is happy in France...

Troy

[Johnny SixPack]

Not enough mayo for their french fries?

Could be people realized eating snails and frogs doesn't necessarily make you happy.  

Whatever the case is, lets all hope it doesn't spiral out of control.

This situation is ripe for some group to move into and really start causing some hell.

IIRC France was already beginning to step on some Islamic toes this year due in part to a proposal to ban traditional Islamic clothing in French schools.

[Ponch ®]

damn...now even the french hate the french.

[Johnny SixPack]

damn...now even the french hate the french.

Oui-oui!

[dkn1997]

My dad hates the french.  he is 70+ years old and was a child during WWII.  He used to tell me that the french "fight with their feet and fuck with their face" 

[TheGhost]

Maybe all the body odor finally affected them?

[Vainglory, Esq.]

No, no violence when I was there, but it's been brewing for years.  The violence is at the hands of (of course) the African and Arab Muslims living in France, and mostly centered in the suburbs around Paris, especially Meaux, which is the Parisian equivalent of Berkeley.  The reason it's in the suburbs is because French communities tend to be the opposite of American ones in that the best parts of the country are the inner city and the worst are the suburbs.

Anyhow, the reason they're doing this is ostensibly because a couple of hoodlums were accidentally electrocuted while running from the police, but really it's because they feel they're being discriminated against and held in poverty and unemployment.

[Charger71]

Sounds like the same group of people wouldn't be happy no matter where they lived...

Charger71

[Headrope]

Some of the replies so far are interesting. I wonder if the French thought similar things about the U.S. when there were riots in L.A.?

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Sounds like the same group of people wouldn't be happy no matter where they lived...

Charger71

Possibly.  But looking at it objectively, these people cause A LOT of problems.  With France's lax immigration standards and very, very comprehensive welfare state, these people literally do come into the country uninvited and live off the working French.  It's super-pathetic, and now they're rioting because it's not enough?

[golden73]

Anyhow, the reason they're doing this is ostensibly because a couple of hoodlums were accidentally electrocuted while running from the police, but really it's because they feel they're being discriminated against and held in poverty and unemployment.

How do you get accidentally electrocuted?

[Charger_Fan]

How do you get accidentally electrocuted?

The same way you get intentionally electrocuted...but by accident.

[golden73]

How do you get accidentally electrocuted?

The same way you get intentionally electrocuted...but by accident.

I wonder if the poilice used a tazer, and somehow they got electrocuted from it

[Johnny SixPack]

How do you get accidentally electrocuted?

The same way you get intentionally electrocuted...but by accident.

I wonder if the poilice used a tazer, and somehow they got electrocuted from it

"By daybreak Saturday, 897 vehicles were destroyed â€" a sharp rise from the 500 burned a night earlier, police said. It was the worst one-day toll since the unrest erupted Oct. 27 following the accidental electrocution of the two teenagers who hid in a power substation, apparently believing police were chasing them."

Some of the replies so far are interesting. I wonder if the French thought similar things about the U.S. when there were riots in L.A.?

Head, you seem to like the devil's advocate position on many things, but honestly... I don't think a comment from one 70 old guy repeated by someone else, and then posted on a random message board really makes a statement regarding all Americans.  

As Vain stated on more than one occasion, and also info provided by my sister (she spent six weeks there this summer also as part of a study-abroad program), the French people actually seem to like Americans.

So much of the animosity that we people supposedly have for the other is just propagated by the media.

I would be interested to know what they thought about the riots, but I don't think they thought is was because we didn't have, "enough mayo for our french fries".

Sorry, couldn't resist.  

['CUDA360]

Looks like Brigitte Bardot was right..

The French government should give her fine money back with interest

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5181642

[Johnny SixPack]

Wow!  

I would have never suspected that.

[Headrope]

I wasn't trying to make a statement. I really am curious if statements made in this thread about the riots in France are similar to statements folks in France might have said about Americans during the time of the L.A. riots.

As for being the devil's advocate. I'm an angel ... cursed with the ability to view most anything from every angle.

[bull]

All they have to do is to legalize rioting and vandalism and the problem goes away.

[Lowprofile]

All they have to do is to legalize rioting and vandalism and the problem goes away.

Bull, You have a way with words, my friend. Very Funny.


The French are their own worst enemy. Once again, lax immigration laws and the leftist/socialists who support easy immigration have screwed the rest of us. The only answer to this problem is to ship them back from "whence they came". They should start with the ones they catch every night. Photograph & fingerprint them, find out what country they are from, take them to the closest military base, load them onto C-130's bound for the Middle East, strap a parachute on their bony asses and kick them out at 15,000 ft as you fly over their former 3rd world fiefdom.

Good bye and good riddens.

[Johnny SixPack]

[Lowprofile]

Yes they are.

[73dodge]

The French are just mad that VainGlory left the country. He was like a rock star out there ya know.

I guess they were upset that VG AND Michael Jackson arent going to be coming back to France anytime soon.

[Telvis]

Maybe someday the politically correct idiots who believe that the Muslim religion is peaceful will come to the realization that the  religion actually preaches world domination and the extinction of anyone that does not follow their beliefs. It's spreading fast and no one seems to be willing to admit it. France is the poster child for the case. Once again they are going to be taken over and will do nothing to stop it. Serves them right.

[Stormhammer]

ok enough political crap stuff


would you believe that this ALL started because 3 vandals were running from the police, decided it was smart to hide in a power substation, and got electrocuted? 

[Brock Samson]

good point storm,.. hows the charger?..  
seems to me un-emplyment is a chief reason, these people were takin in to do what,.. the menial work?.. now there's a huge population of disenfrancished...
Students don't generaly run amok for no good reason,.. however the punks that don't go to school or are NOT in "some" military org. are ripe for a little pillaging...
I wonder how the french will respond?..
there are huge popuations of these imported "domestics" all over europe... Germany in particuar comes to mind. There are militants all over the damn place.. we tend to only hear about England ususally..

[dkn1997]

I don't think a comment from one 70 old guy repeated by someone else, and then posted on a random message board really makes a statement regarding all Americans. 

Actually, that was not really meant as comentary on the riot.  It was just a quirky thing my old man used to say.  I just find that saying funny, I really don't think there is a lot of truth to it.

[Big Lebowski]

Maybe someday the politically correct idiots who believe that the Muslim religion is peaceful will come to the realization that the   religion actually preaches world domination and the extinction of anyone that does not follow their beliefs. It's spreading fast and no one seems to be willing to admit it. France is the poster child for the case. Once again they are going to be taken over and will do nothing to stop it. Serves them right.

  Let it burn, then look up French military victories. You'll find 0 results, the search engine might even ask "Are you sure you weren't looking for French military defeats? Then remember France is 'el numero uno involved in the oil for food scandal. (Saddam starving his own people for those of you in Rio Linda)

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Now that's just ignorant French-bashing.   And someone who's obviously never been to Paris likewise wouldn't know what an awe-inspiring, historical and beautiful place it is.   Let it burn indeed.   And a thousand years of Western culture burns with it.

And as for the French military victories, there've been thousands.   Look at what's etched on the Arc De Triomphe - I'll attach a picture.   There are more than 100 victories carved there alone.   The fact that the French have chosen to be pacifistic after the horror of Verdun happened on their own soil is nothing to hold against them, even if the fact that they don't stand up for themselves because of it is.   This means that the French victories that you obviously know nothing about happened to occur before the 1920s.   Oh, and one of them was their crucial role in helping certain upstart colonists throw out the British.   Remember that?

As to the oil for food, that actually is disgusting.   I think Russia was more involved, but whatever.   Either way, their actions were reprehensible, but does it mean that innocent Parisians and their property are to be killed and burned   without us caring one way or the other?   I don't think so.

[Lowprofile]

Now that's just ignorant French-bashing.  And someone who's obviously never been to Paris likewise wouldn't know what an awe-inspiring, historical and beautiful place it is.  Let it burn indeed.  And a thousand years of Western culture burns with it.

And as for the French military victories, there've been thousands.  Look at what's etched on the Arc De Triomphe - I'll attach a picture.  There are more than 100 victories carved there alone.  The fact that the French have chosen to be pacifistic after the horror of Verdun happened on their own soil is nothing to hold against them, even if the fact that they don't stand up for themselves because of it is.  This means that the French victories that you obviously know nothing about happened to occur before the 1920s.  Oh, and one of them was their crucial role in helping certain upstart colonists throw out the British.  Remember that?

As to the oil for food, that actually is disgusting.  I think Russia was more involved, but whatever.  Either way, their actions were reprehensible, but does it mean that innocent Parisians and their property are to be killed and burned  without us caring one way or the other?  I don't think so.

I totally Agree with you. They need to throw the troublemakers out, restore order, and let the world know that they're "Back in the Game".

[Orange_Crush]

Now that's just ignorant French-bashing.   And someone who's obviously never been to Paris likewise wouldn't know what an awe-inspiring, historical and beautiful place it is.   Let it burn indeed.   And a thousand years of Western culture burns with it.

And as for the French military victories, there've been thousands.   Look at what's etched on the Arc De Triomphe - I'll attach a picture.   There are more than 100 victories carved there alone.   The fact that the French have chosen to be pacifistic after the horror of Verdun happened on their own soil is nothing to hold against them, even if the fact that they don't stand up for themselves because of it is.   This means that the French victories that you obviously know nothing about happened to occur before the 1920s.   Oh, and one of them was their crucial role in helping certain upstart colonists throw out the British.   Remember that?

I have been to France many times and I love paris (though the south of france...Provence and the languedoc region are my favorites).  I like the French and have never had trouble with Parisians (if you try not to act like "the ugly American," they are very pleasant).  What's going on is a damned shame.  The french have tried to foster a culture of inclusiveness in their country and it has come back around and bitten them.

Oh...and as far as helping those "upstart colonists,"  their help bankrupted the country and was one of the factors that led to the French revolution and one of the darkest periods in French history.

We actually owe our existence as a nation to them.

[Baracda]

Now that's just ignorant French-bashing.   And someone who's obviously never been to Paris likewise wouldn't know what an awe-inspiring, historical and beautiful place it is.   Let it burn indeed.   And a thousand years of Western culture burns with it.

And as for the French military victories, there've been thousands.   Look at what's etched on the Arc De Triomphe - I'll attach a picture.   There are more than 100 victories carved there alone.   The fact that the French have chosen to be pacifistic after the horror of Verdun happened on their own soil is nothing to hold against them, even if the fact that they don't stand up for themselves because of it is.   This means that the French victories that you obviously know nothing about happened to occur before the 1920s.   Oh, and one of them was their crucial role in helping certain upstart colonists throw out the British.   Remember that?

As to the oil for food, that actually is disgusting.   I think Russia was more involved, but whatever.   Either way, their actions were reprehensible, but does it mean that innocent Parisians and their property are to be killed and burned   without us caring one way or the other?   I don't think so.

The French are NOT pacifists.  They are one of the most prolific weapons developers and sellers worldwide.  From nuclear weaponry to conventional firearms they are on par with the US, Britain and Germany and do not hesitate to sell to anyone with enough cash.

jim

[1970440RT]

Now that's just ignorant French-bashing.  And someone who's obviously never been to Paris likewise wouldn't know what an awe-inspiring, historical and beautiful place it is.  Let it burn indeed.  And a thousand years of Western culture burns with it.

And as for the French military victories, there've been thousands.  Look at what's etched on the Arc De Triomphe - I'll attach a picture.  There are more than 100 victories carved there alone.  The fact that the French have chosen to be pacifistic after the horror of Verdun happened on their own soil is nothing to hold against them, even if the fact that they don't stand up for themselves because of it is.  This means that the French victories that you obviously know nothing about happened to occur before the 1920s.  Oh, and one of them was their crucial role in helping certain upstart colonists throw out the British.  Remember that?

I have been to France many times and I love paris (though the south of france...Provence and the languedoc region are my favorites). I like the French and have never had trouble with Parisians (if you try not to act like "the ugly American," they are very pleasant). What's going on is a damned shame. The french have tried to foster a culture of inclusiveness in their country and it has come back around and bitten them.

Oh...and as far as helping those "upstart colonists," their help bankrupted the country and was one of the factors that led to the French revolution and one of the darkest periods in French history.

We actually owe our existence as a nation to them.

     WWI evened that up.  After WWII, I'm pretty sure we're one up.  Since we are splitting hairs, it wasn't the French people that helped the colonists, it was the king.  Obviously the french people did not agree with what he was doing and took his head. 

    Paris is a beautiful city & most french people are probably for the most part well meaning but these riots are a perfect example of what lax immigration laws and a welfare state will produce.

[Doc74]

I see ay replies have 'The French' rioters in it Well...... they ain't really French, not like the one Ponch posted 
The problem there is the exact same problem here, btw while writing this I just found out that our capitol, Brussels, has seen riots last night, it was bound to happen sooner or later and not just here in Belgium and France.
The rioters are mostly northern Africans, Morrocans, if you think that the US has a racial problem, please do come over, be my guest for a while and see what's really going on in Europe.
Vain, I read parts of your blog and enjoy it very much but man you have nooooo idea how lucky you are to be back safe and sound, I kid you not.
It takes only one extremist to pop 'that damn yank' and there's plenty candidates. Sadly there's not just Americans and Europeans who think every muslim is a terrorist, many muslim extremists think the same about our western civilization, big diff.....we don't blow ourselves up in their mosks.Real danger here.
Vain I know you visited the safer parts but next time you plan a trip like that, gimme a call, i know people who can put you up safe, no hassle, no bad guys around NAD they got fast cars and use them in Paris center 
How ridiculous it may sound, people would kill an American, a Brit or ANYONE supporting them, including me and nearly all western Europe for a simple difference of opinion.
This all may seem dramatic....but we ain't seen nothing yet.

Interesting read on the matter :

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html

[Charger_Fan]

Maybe someday the politically correct idiots who believe that the Muslim religion is peaceful will come to the realization that the   religion actually preaches world domination and the extinction of anyone that does not follow their beliefs. It's spreading fast and no one seems to be willing to admit it. 

I'm admitting it!
That friggin' religion is getting worse by the day.
Let me rephrase...the derivatives from that religion are getting worse every day. I assume the base religion probably actually is a peaceful deal, but after enough wacko freaks dillute it through the years by interjecting their own ideas, the whole thing ends up going in a different direction.
How the hell someone can actually believe they're doing the word of God by blowing up innocent civilians is just beyond me. Buncha damned assholes.

With this current riot thing, I agree...they should definitely round up as many of these bastards as they can & ship 'em back home, parachutes optional.

[Ponch ®]

"You [France] didn't get involved in our war with Iraq because you were afraid of angering Muslims who might hold a grudge. A typically cowardly response from a country of victims like France, but I understand your logic. "Don't piss off the bully because he might pick on you next."

Now, though, how do you explain the fact that North African Muslims are burning the shit out of your country?

And isn't it funny how your press doesn't have the guts to report it like that?

Burn, Paris, burn"
                                      - Bob Freeman


    

[Stormhammer]

Maybe someday the politically correct idiots who believe that the Muslim religion is peaceful will come to the realization that the  religion actually preaches world domination and the extinction of anyone that does not follow their beliefs. It's spreading fast and no one seems to be willing to admit it. France is the poster child for the case. Once again they are going to be taken over and will do nothing to stop it. Serves them right.

  Let it burn, then look up French military victories. You'll find 0 results, the search engine might even ask "Are you sure you weren't looking for French military defeats? Then remember France is 'el numero uno involved in the oil for food scandal. (Saddam starving his own people for those of you in Rio Linda)

ah dont jump to conclusions so fast - alot of people dont remember

but

back in the colonial days - America attacked Canada which was French occupied ( i.e. french )

and lost

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I see ay replies have 'The French' rioters in it Well...... they ain't really French, not like the one Ponch posted  
The problem there is the exact same problem here, btw while writing this I just found out that our capitol, Brussels, has seen riots last night, it was bound to happen sooner or later and not just here in Belgium and France.
The rioters are mostly northern Africans, Morrocans, if you think that the US has a racial problem, please do come over, be my guest for a while and see what's really going on in Europe.
Vain, I read parts of your blog and enjoy it very much but man you have nooooo idea how lucky you are to be back safe and sound, I kid you not.
It takes only one extremist to pop 'that damn yank' and there's plenty candidates. Sadly there's not just Americans and Europeans who think every muslim is a terrorist, many muslim extremists think the same about our western civilization, big diff.....we don't blow ourselves up in their mosks.Real danger here.
Vain I know you visited the safer parts but next time you plan a trip like that, gimme a call, i know people who can put you up safe, no hassle, no bad guys around AND they got fast cars and use them in Paris center  
How ridiculous it may sound, people would kill an American, a Brit or ANYONE supporting them, including me and nearly all western Europe for a simple difference of opinion.
This all may seem dramatic....but we ain't seen nothing yet.

Interesting read on the matter :

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html

You're from Belgium?   I didn't realize.   I made a quick stop in Bruxelles on my way to the Netherlands when I was up there - I wish I could have spent more time.

Anyway, now that I think about it, I'm very glad I stayed in the nice areas.   The U.S. Embassy was literally down the street, so the Gendarmerie was always, and I mean always, present.   I didn't realize that even on a quiet night, cars were being burned by Clichy-sous-bois, but I was fairly insulated in the first arondissement.   That being said, I did realize that a civil war of sorts was brewing.   Go Sarko.

[Ponch ®]

I see ay replies have 'The French' rioters in it Well...... they ain't really French, not like the one Ponch posted  
The problem there is the exact same problem here, btw while writing this I just found out that our capitol, Brussels, has seen riots last night, it was bound to happen sooner or later and not just here in Belgium and France.
The rioters are mostly northern Africans, Morrocans, if you think that the US has a racial problem, please do come over, be my guest for a while and see what's really going on in Europe.
Vain, I read parts of your blog and enjoy it very much but man you have nooooo idea how lucky you are to be back safe and sound, I kid you not.
It takes only one extremist to pop 'that damn yank' and there's plenty candidates. Sadly there's not just Americans and Europeans who think every muslim is a terrorist, many muslim extremists think the same about our western civilization, big diff.....we don't blow ourselves up in their mosks.Real danger here.
Vain I know you visited the safer parts but next time you plan a trip like that, gimme a call, i know people who can put you up safe, no hassle, no bad guys around AND they got fast cars and use them in Paris center  
How ridiculous it may sound, people would kill an American, a Brit or ANYONE supporting them, including me and nearly all western Europe for a simple difference of opinion.
This all may seem dramatic....but we ain't seen nothing yet.

Interesting read on the matter :

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html

You're from Belgium?   I didn't realize.   I made a quick stop in Bruxelles on my way to the Netherlands when I was up there - I wish I could have spent more time.

Anyway, now that I think about it, I'm very glad I stayed in the nice areas.   The U.S. Embassy was literally down the street, so the Gendarmerie were always, and I mean always, present.   I didn't realize that even on a quiet night, cars were being burned by Clichy-sous-bois, but I was fairly insulated in the first arondissement.   That being said, I did realize that a civil war of sorts was brewing.   Go Sarko.

nowadays all you have to worry about is getting stabbed by some mullet headed drunken salvadorean.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Yeah, maybe Mexican soccer jerseys aren't exactly the best thing to keep safe from the salvadoreans.

[73dodge]

I see ay replies have 'The French' rioters in it Well...... they ain't really French, not like the one Ponch posted 
The problem there is the exact same problem here, btw while writing this I just found out that our capitol, Brussels, has seen riots last night, it was bound to happen sooner or later and not just here in Belgium and France.
The rioters are mostly northern Africans, Morrocans, if you think that the US has a racial problem, please do come over, be my guest for a while and see what's really going on in Europe.
Vain, I read parts of your blog and enjoy it very much but man you have nooooo idea how lucky you are to be back safe and sound, I kid you not.
It takes only one extremist to pop 'that damn yank' and there's plenty candidates. Sadly there's not just Americans and Europeans who think every muslim is a terrorist, many muslim extremists think the same about our western civilization, big diff.....we don't blow ourselves up in their mosks.Real danger here.
Vain I know you visited the safer parts but next time you plan a trip like that, gimme a call, i know people who can put you up safe, no hassle, no bad guys around AND they got fast cars and use them in Paris center 
How ridiculous it may sound, people would kill an American, a Brit or ANYONE supporting them, including me and nearly all western Europe for a simple difference of opinion.
This all may seem dramatic....but we ain't seen nothing yet.

Interesting read on the matter :

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html

You're from Belgium?  I didn't realize.  I made a quick stop in Bruxelles on my way to the Netherlands when I was up there - I wish I could have spent more time.

Anyway, now that I think about it, I'm very glad I stayed in the nice areas.  The U.S. Embassy was literally down the street, so the Gendarmerie were always, and I mean always, present.  I didn't realize that even on a quiet night, cars were being burned by Clichy-sous-bois, but I was fairly insulated in the first arondissement.  That being said, I did realize that a civil war of sorts was brewing.  Go Sarko.

nowadays all you have to worry about is getting stabbed by some mullet headed drunken salvadorean.

I have heard an intresting perspectrive on the riots, it seems that the media keeps saying these are north africans and morrocons but they are muslims islamists and they are not only rioting but many of them are saying that this is the start of the jihad that has been planned. I also heard that the french govt has made deals with the Muslim leaders in those parts of France that they are self governing because the Muslims DO NOT want to assimilate into French culture so they are an entity unto themselves. And since france is commited to diversity they let them keep there own little areas dedicated to Muslims. So now the muslims are calling for the Jihad to bring down the French government.

[Charger_Fan]

So now the muslims are calling for the Jihad to bring down the French government.

Like I said...buncha damned assholes.

[TheGhost]

We actually owe our existence as a nation to them.

The reverse is quite true, as well, OC.

[Big Lebowski]

Now that's just ignorant French-bashing.   And someone who's obviously never been to Paris likewise wouldn't know what an awe-inspiring, historical and beautiful place it is.   Let it burn indeed.   And a thousand years of Western culture burns with it.

And as for the French military victories, there've been thousands.   Look at what's etched on the Arc De Triomphe - I'll attach a picture.   There are more than 100 victories carved there alone.   The fact that the French have chosen to be pacifistic after the horror of Verdun happened on their own soil is nothing to hold against them, even if the fact that they don't stand up for themselves because of it is.   This means that the French victories that you obviously know nothing about happened to occur before the 1920s.   Oh, and one of them was their crucial role in helping certain upstart colonists throw out the British.   Remember that?

As to the oil for food, that actually is disgusting.   I think Russia was more involved, but whatever.   Either way, their actions were reprehensible, but does it mean that innocent Parisians and their property are to be killed and burned   without us caring one way or the other?   I don't think so.

  Lovely words all, but it's not me you have to convince, it's the camel sodomizer who's about to saw your head off. That's the guy you have to convince. BTW He's too busy burning down your precious France, but i'm sure he's on his way over here next. France was Saddam's #1 buddy 
    Iran is building a Thermo Nuclear weapon right now.  Remember last week? The Pres. of Iran said he's going "Wipe" Isreal off the map?

[ChargerBill]

The way I see it: You reap what you sew...in other words. You make your bed with the devil, then you have to sleep with the devil. They made a pact with Muslim culture and were in league with Saddam...they're now reaping the fruits of that pact.

The way I heard how the riots started is that someone called the cops about the theft of car parts (criminals stripping cars) while they witnessed it happeneing. The criminals were so outraged and OFFENDED that someone would call the cops on them (because they do this sort of thing daily and never had the cops called before) that they rioted gainst the police and peacable citizens in the area. They said they were being discriminated against because of their ethnicity or social station in life...or some lame crap like that. The audacity of someone to call the police on a criminal. And gee, I wonder why they felt this way?... Maybe because the French government is so pussified that they went out of their way to ignore crime in that area and crime on the part of muslims..you see, you reap what you sew.

Hey, guess what, we're on that same path. We give criminals more leeway than we give innocents, a spotted gerbils life is more important that a farmers crop, we take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens and yet blackmarket guns are easy for crooks to get a hold of, we let pedifiles live in our communities where our children walk to the school bus stop and play in our yards, we allow flag burning demonstrations on courthouse steps but take the Ten Commandments out of the courthouse, we allow underaged girls to have abortions without parental consent or notification and in the process teach them that life is disposable when it is inconvenient. Yep, we are on the same path of social depravity and civil unrest. We COULD learn from these events, but we won't....and this will be our future as well...in 10 years or in 50 years...eventually it will happen.

[hemihead]

I agree with Charger Bill.And remember how France has been spitting on the U.S. for everything we do but soon they will be crying to us for help.Oh, and when America attacked Canada we were not America yet( French and Indian War).Then in 1812 we were fighting the English.

[TeeWJay426]

And remember how France has been spitting on the U.S. for everything we do but soon they will be crying to us for help.

And as usual, we will come running to provide it.

[Shakey]

I agree with Charger Bill.And remember how France has been spitting on the U.S. for everything we do but soon they will be crying to us for help.Oh, and when America attacked Canada we were not America yet( French and Indian War).Then in 1812 we were fighting the English.

And we weren't Canada yet.

[73dodge]

From CNN Netscape news



Hurt pride shows as France sees world report riots


PARIS, Nov 8 (Reuters) - A barrage of critical world media reporting on the violence in its rundown suburbs is rubbing nerves raw in France, which is more used to hearing praise for its food, its countryside and its opposition to the Iraq war.

In tones ranging from outrage to rueful agreement, French media are now reporting daily on the harsh terms that foreign television stations and newspapers choose to describe the unrest among France's angry youths of Arab and African origin.

The rest is here

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[Charger71]

I have read the posts about this topic.   They are interesting.   I see some tolerant opinions.  I see intolerant opinions.

I kinda look at it this way.  France has liberal immigration laws.  They have a large influence in Islamic countries.  Radical Muslims want all "infidels" to be destroyed.   Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't alot of terrorist acts in America and Spain been carried out by these folks coming from France?? 

But let's not seem like we're profiling...   I mean just because the suspects are young, arabic, males, and muslim...   We shouldn't be scrutinizing young, arabic, male muslims.

Speaking of American Riots... Like Rodney King said,  "I wish we could just get along....

[Arigmaster]

Sorry you guys,

I just couldnt resist this.....   Send the French Army in to quell the rioters and they will surrender to them too!

[ChargerBill]

Thanks for the laugh...what makes it even funnier is how true it is....

[John_Kunkel]

The way I see it: You reap what you sew...in other words. You make your bed with the devil, then you have to sleep with the devil. They made a pact with Muslim culture and were in league with Saddam...they're now reaping the fruits of that pact.

The frogs ain't the only ones who were "in league with Saddam" and have reaped the results.

[1970440RT]

     So that is what Rummy looked like 25 years ago.  Good up to date info.  Thanks.

[73dodge]

hehe

[ChargerBill]

The frogs ain't the only ones who were "in league with Saddam" and have reaped the results.

Just shows you how long that sadistic bastard Saddam flew under the radar. Good thing he's out IMO....

The food for oil scandal was MUCH more recent, underhanded, blatant and in the face of global interest. Back then (20 PLUS years ago) we needed to play nice to get oil..it was in the best interest of ALL Americans. And I don't think the fact that we dealt for oil means that we condoned ANY inhuman acts on his part (or even knew the extent of them for that matter)...it meant we were desperate for natural rescources. On the other hand the French are hypocritical weasels who would sell their grandmother into slave labor for a little whine and cheese..let alone FREE OIL!

[Big Lebowski]

    No snails for me thanks, i'll have the steak. Thank you.

[Shakey]

The frogs ain't the only ones who were "in league with Saddam" and have reaped the results.

Just shows you how long that sadistic bastard Saddam flew under the radar. Good thing he's out IMO....

The food for oil scandal was MUCH more recent, underhanded, blatant and in the face of global interest. Back then (20 PLUS years ago) we needed to play nice to get oil..it was in the best interest of ALL Americans. And I don't think the fact that we dealt for oil means that we condoned ANY inhuman acts on his part (or even knew the extent of them for that matter)...it meant we were desperate for natural rescources. On the other hand the French are hypocritical weasels who would sell their grandmother into slave labor for a little whine and cheese..let alone FREE OIL!

  All in the same paragraph!

the French are hypocritical weasels

we needed to play nice to get oil..it was in the best interest of ALL Americans

How convenient.

[1970440RT]

     Actually we weren't "playing nice" to get oil.  We were secretly ( at the time ) giving Saddam intelligence about the Iranians.  In a nutshell, this was all after the Shah of Iran ( a U.S. "ally" ) was overthrown and replaced with an extremist Muslim govt.  What better way to keep 2 psychos occupied than to have them fight each other?  Rummy shaking hands w/ Saddam was part of this move by the U.S. government at the time.  The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is appropriate in this situation.  Showing a picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam has absolutely no corelation with what is going on in France.  I guess I should now post a picture of Jimmy Carter shaking hands with Kim Jong Ill, or Bill Clinton welcoming the Chinese govt to the Whitehouse.

[Nupe]

With France's lax immigration standards and very, very comprehensive welfare state, these people literally do come into the country uninvited and live off the working French.  It's super-pathetic, and now they're rioting because it's not enough?

Pretty much the same deal here, but no riots.    Hard to see the truth through all the PC crap these days...  This world is a mess and the biggest problem in my opinion is the population is growing too fast.

[John_Kunkel]

The frogs ain't the only ones who were "in league with Saddam" and have reaped the results.

Just shows you how long that sadistic bastard Saddam flew under the radar.

Flew under the radar? You must have missed the Raygun administration's policy on Saddam, "Yea, we know he's a thug but he's our thug.

[ChargerBill]

Sorry, I see the anti Reagan/anti America comments for what they are and I'm not taking the bait. Have fun debating amongst yourselves...

Besides, THIS makes a bunch of sense...if you bothered to read it:

       Actually we weren't "playing nice" to get oil.   We were secretly ( at the time ) giving Saddam intelligence about the Iranians.   In a nutshell, this was all after the Shah of Iran ( a U.S. "ally" ) was overthrown and replaced with an extremist Muslim govt.   What better way to keep 2 psychos occupied than to have them fight each other?   Rummy shaking hands w/ Saddam was part of this move by the U.S. government at the time.   The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is appropriate in this situation.   Showing a picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam has absolutely no corelation with what is going on in France.   I guess I should now post a picture of Jimmy Carter shaking hands with Kim Jong Ill, or Bill Clinton welcoming the Chinese govt to the Whitehouse.

[MichaelRW]

On a lighter note: Paris is burning.

[Johnny SixPack]

On a lighter note: Paris is burning.

I think they have antibiotics for that.

[RT DAVE]

On a lighter note: Paris is burning.

I think they have antibiotics for that.

[Big Lebowski]

Just when the petty insults were about to be hurrled about, you had to break it up and make us all laugh, why would you do such a cruel thing.