BJ bird clone!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jerry]

$500,000 for a bird clone????kind of a slap in the face for the high $$$$$$$$$$ over restored  all look the same real cars.

[Ghoste]

I haven't been watching but that wouldn't be the Goldberg one he was auctioning off for charity would it?

[62 Max]

Yes it was.

[moparstuart]

very cool glad it went to a good cause

[nascarxx29]

$501.000
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/17/barrett-jackson-2009-1970-plymouth-superbird-custom-tribute/
Proceeds for it Darrel Gwynn foundation

http://wot.motortrend.com/6340641/auto-news/live-from-sema-yearones-1970-nascar-plymouth-superbird-built-for-charity/index.html

[sound5262]

that is all that matters at the end of the day isn't? i liked the black wing with the plymouth shaded in. at least it brought more than the "24" car! oh well that's my  worth

[Cooperman]

Good grief - I love this car... 



...and for a great cause too! 

[Go Hogs Go]

If money wasn't an issue, I'd give 400K for that car before I would a real one. The difference is, I could drive the wheels off of it and not worry about destroying a piece of history. I won't own a car I can't hammer on and make my own. 

[Ghoste]

I don't think you can really consider the buying price of that car as too much of an indicator of other aero cars real or cloned.  It's a specialized clone done by a celebrity and sold for charity, I would expect it to bring a strong price.

[pettybird]

If money wasn't an issue, I'd give 400K for that car before I would a real one. The difference is, I could drive the wheels off of it and not worry about destroying a piece of history. I won't own a car I can't hammer on and make my own. 

cost of a real bird=125k

wadding it up in a mangled mess three times-$300k total to fix

you'd still be money ahead.



i'd love to have the car--I wouldn't have the heart to cut up a real 'bird to do all of those cool, cool mods. 

[moparstuart]

If money wasn't an issue, I'd give 400K for that car before I would a real one. The difference is, I could drive the wheels off of it and not worry about destroying a piece of history. I won't own a car I can't hammer on and make my own. 

cost of a real bird=125k

wadding it up in a mangled mess three times-$300k total to fix

you'd still be money ahead.



i'd love to have the car--I wouldn't have the heart to cut up a real 'bird to do all of those cool, cool mods. 

So when is marty getting the evenham motorsports motor   

[69_500]

That would be a nice engine to drop into the marty car Doug. Would make for some enjoyable drives to various shows.

[NYCMille]

Man I wish you guys could've seen that car in person. The Super Bird is not just a replica, it's a full on NASCAR spec. recreation %100 drivable - I seen it in person and watched it drive, it truly is a work of art. 

[Aero426]

The Super Bird is not just a replica, it's a full on NASCAR spec. recreation %100 drivable - I seen it in person and watched it drive, it truly is a work of art. 

NASCAR spec to what?   I might be the only one who is not all that impressed with the thing.   It's light years away from being 1970 correct.  It has all modern components, and a modern looking cage.   I don't deny it's well crafted and would be a fun road course track day car - but as the big tough guy says on the commercial, it "doesn't have the dice" to make it on a real speedway.    

I'd much rather have the car below.   It sold for what, 175k less money at B-J in 2006.     Charity or not, I want the real thing.

[69_500]

If I had my choice I'd take the one you pictured as well Doug, but since I don't have 1/10th the amount of money that was spent on either one my choice doesn't really matter right?

[69bronzeT5]

I'd kill for the Goldberg Superbird

[pettybird]

That would be a nice engine to drop into the marty car Doug. Would make for some enjoyable drives to various shows.

too high strung.  it's getting a 5.7 Hemi at some point, but that point just got moved--I need $2300 worth of root canal and crown this month.  i'm not happy.  that, plus a couple tanks of gas and some lunch is about what I make in a month...

i have the motor already, and that same $2300 would have it set up 100% in the car. 


I'm sure it'll get a lot closer to being done when spring rolls around.  I already sold the motor and transmission back to Mike Svec, and that money buys the motor mounts and wiring.  I really want to take that car to Talladega this fall.  if it doesn't go the Corporation Blue car will...

[pettybird]

 I don't deny it's well crafted and would be a fun road course track day car -

it could have been the official DSAC Road America car!

[Aero426]

If I had my choice I'd take the one you pictured as well Doug, but since I don't have 1/10th the amount of money that was spent on either one my choice doesn't really matter right?

Charity or not, I just don't understand dropping half a million on an half race/half street tribute car.   But if Mr. Wiemann is happy, who cares.   

[70Sbird]

[/quote]
Charity or not, I just don't understand dropping half a million on an half race/half street tribute car.   But if Mr. Wiemann is happy, who cares.   
[/quote]

This is my sentiment exactly!
What will this car be worth 5-10 years from now when people don't remember the Hype and buildup press.
you will have an a car that is neither a street or a race car, and is not even a Superbird.
It's a cool car but I wouldn't want it.

[Aero426]

Hopefully Richard farted in the seat on the way up to the auction block.   That will add to the provenance!

[jerry]

come on guys ,don't be so hard on that car.
its just a ole 70 satellite with a wing and a nose that brought more then a half million$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[472 R/T SE]

Now that's a tax write off you can enjoy. 

[Aero426]

Now that's a tax write off you can enjoy. 

Tax write off for whom?   Not the new owner.   He handed over money and got a car in return.     

[moparstuart]

 it's a cool car , the money went to charity and you guy's didnt have to spend the money .

  it's all good

[Go Hogs Go]

Again, if money wasn't the issue that car would be mine. I have huge respect for "correct original cars", but it's not my thing. Give me that big, loud, not original spec., track/street, cloaned, unoriginal bird and watch me boil the tires off of it. To each his own, but I get why this car rocks.

[pettybird]

If I had my choice I'd take the one you pictured as well Doug, but since I don't have 1/10th the amount of money that was spent on either one my choice doesn't really matter right?

Charity or not, I just don't understand dropping half a million on an half race/half street tribute car.   But if Mr. Wiemann is happy, who cares.   

here's the half street/half race car I want:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330299693456&viewitem=

[moparstuart]

If I had my choice I'd take the one you pictured as well Doug, but since I don't have 1/10th the amount of money that was spent on either one my choice doesn't really matter right?

Charity or not, I just don't understand dropping half a million on an half race/half street tribute car.   But if Mr. Wiemann is happy, who cares.   

here's the half street/half race car I want:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330299693456&viewitem=

  mopar or no car

[NYCMille]

Are you serious?!? That Porsche is BADASS!!! I would take that in a heartbeat! 

[69bronzeT5]

Are you serious?!? That Porsche is BADASS!!! I would take that in a heartbeat! 

I'd drive the balls off that

[BigBlockSam]

Porsche = Volkswagen on steroids . 

[NYCMille]

Dude... if you really believe that you're insane. 

[BigBlockSam]

Dude... if you really believe that you're insane.  Twocents

I've driven several Porsche's , there very fast and handle great . i even blew up my ex girl friends Porsche . 

i don't like them . it's a very pretentious car .

[pettybird]

  mopar or no car

don't be silly.

[NYCMille]

i don't like them . it's a very pretentious car .

ok, but just curious then... what do consider a great handling, powerful, non-pretentious car that you can drive daily and then beat to death on the weekends as a race day toy or car?

[moparstuart]

  mopar or no car

don't be silly.

if we all liked the same stuff the world would be a very boring place , I likes what i likes . 

[BigBlockSam]

drive daily and then beat to death on the weekends as a race day toy or car?

I'm not a road racer .i drag race . i have my 39 coupe that i run brackets with on weekends and drive in the streets with .

let me ask you a question . what do you think when you see a guy driving  a Porsche out on the street . wow! that guy's cool and look he's got a matching hat too  .... NOT!  i usually think man that guys trying way to hard to be cool . 

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

Porsches are girls cars LoL think your cool if u drive a boxter or a carrera? hahaaah

[Aero426]

Porsches are girls cars LoL think your cool if u drive a boxter or a carrera? hahaaah

This guy would not agree with your assessment.

[NYCMille]

Porsches are girls cars LoL think your cool if u drive a boxter or a carrera? hahaaah

Don't know... but I know that I feel cool when I drive my Charger or Daytona, so does that put me in the same category as Porsche owners?

what do you think when you see a guy driving  a Porsche out on the street . wow! that guy's cool and look he's got a matching hat too  .... NOT!  i usually think man that guys trying way to hard to be cool .

Honestly, most of the guys I know track the crap out of these cars and just to be clear I'm a licensed instructor with NASA/PDA so I see these guys abuse Porsche's, Ferrari's and all manner of high performance car mercilessly on a weekly basis on the racetrack. Now, do some just buy them to pose, absolutely, just like some Charger owners, but the guys I know all run these car HARD and use them for there intended purpose.

Hell, if I could go out and by a Porsche GT2 or Carrera I'd do it in heartbeat.

[ds440]

I liked Goldberg's Superbird.  It's an interesting take on a classic car.  Nothing wrong with it considering he didn't cut up an original.  Plus, taking an original musclecar and turning it into a true performance car isn't an easy task to say the least.  I appreciated the execution while keeping the Superbird's NASCAR roots....


Porsches are "girls cars" trying "to be cool?"   Really?  'Cause last time I checked they've won 24 Hours of LeMans outright 16 times.  Dodge?  Zip.

Look, I love my Charger; I love old Mopars in general - but it seems to me that while Dodge has been too busy going bankrupt, Porsche has been out proving themselves on the racetrack.  You know...where it actually counts.  How many Dodge parts do you think is in the COT?  The block, the cylinder heads...and....?  I'd be cool if you just said, "hey I don't like them."   That's cool.  Different strokes for different folks.  But at the very least you have to respect them.

Just like Goldberg's Superbird.

I'd take these "daily commuters" any day...

[472 R/T SE]

Now that's a tax write off you can enjoy. 

Tax write off for whom?   Not the new owner.   He handed over money and got a car in return.     

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/20/barrett-jackson-2008-2009-corvette-zr1-1-goes-for-a-cool-milli/

"The winning bidder, Dave Ressler, also bought the oldest available 1953 Corvette just a couple years ago at Barrett-Jackson for the exact same price. While the ZR1 on stage was not the actual one purchase, Ressler will get a one-of-one Le Mans blue version that no one else will get. All of the proceeds from the sale benefited The United Way, and everything over the $99,999 list price of the ZR1 will be tax deductible. Not a bad way to spend a million bucks!"

Click here, take your pick

The announcers' always remind folk that the check to purchase the charity rides' is wrote directly to the charity.  From the research I did on the 'net & talking to a couple friends' who go to BJ, the tax deduction is based on everything that's over msrp (in this case, cost to build) being a write off, which make sense.

[BigBlockSam]

Don't know... but I know that I feel cool when I drive my Charger or Daytona, so does that put me in the same category as Porsche owners?

  no  those are cool cars , it makes you special    . i luv driving my chargers or my daytona too . Porsche's are great for the race track but on the street ya kinda look like a douche driving around in them 

[Aero426]

The announcers' always remind folk that the check to purchase the charity rides' is wrote directly to the charity.  From the research I did on the 'net & talking to a couple friends' who go to BJ, the tax deduction is based on everything that's over msrp (in this case, cost to build) being a write off, which make sense.

OK.  I'll buy that.

[Aero426]

The Gulf 917 is one of those ultimate cars for me.   I've only seen one run once, and the sound of the flat 12 is incredible.   A car capable of running 240 at Lemans with just a little fiberglass around the driver.    The other part of the story is that Porsche had to build 25 of them to make it legal to race.    Nobody thought a small manufacturer like Porsche would try this and pull it off.    The 917 vs Ferrari 512 battles that ensued were legendary.   



The 917 has one bloodline in common with the street 911 today.  The ignition switch is still on the left side.  Can anyone answer why?   Petty Bird is not allowed to answer.

[ds440]

The 917 has one bloodline in common with the street 911 today.  The ignition switch is still on the left side.  Can anyone answer why?   Petty Bird is not allowed to answer.

Somebody at a vintage race told me that it from back in the day when the drivers still ran to their cars.  They supposedly could start their car faster while they were getting in.  I always thought he was pulling my leg...?

[Moparmatty]

The key is on the left side to fascilitate being able to start the car while climbing into the drivers seat during a LeMans style racing start.  Thus allowing the driver to use his right hand to operate the shifter.

Do I win a prize?

[Aero426]

Both of you are correct!!!

[69_500]

The Gulf 917's are pretty nice cars, but I gotta say that I have yet to ever actually see one anywhere. Even at some pretty nice museums not a single sighting yet. Maybe one day at a concourse show or something but so far, no luck on getting to photo one for myself.

As neat as they are though, they still play well more than second fiddle to a HEMI Daytona in my book. The daytona just looks that much better to me personally.

[Aero426]

The Gulf 917's are pretty nice cars, but I gotta say that I have yet to ever actually see one anywhere. Even at some pretty nice museums not a single sighting yet. Maybe one day at a concourse show or something but so far, no luck on getting to photo one for myself.

As neat as they are though, they still play well more than second fiddle to a HEMI Daytona in my book. The daytona just looks that much better to me personally.

Sometimes you can catch those Gulf 917s at the fall HSR event at Daytona.    It's an open garage area and the cars are not roped off or anything.

[69_500]

Might make the trip some day, but for now I gotta save my pennies to make trips to see 500's and Daytona's. Once I get tired of making trips to see those, then I'll probably go to see one of the Gulfs. Who knows could run into one at various shows, unlikely but possible.

[Redbird]

A number of years ago one of my clients had Brian Redmon staying at his place. My client called both me and his lawyer ( who is also quite into old cars). We spent a couple of hours that afternoon listening to stories about driving a 917 when it was new. The only way the afternoon could have been better for me is if Steve McQueen had risen and been there too. Porsche 917, the ultimate car of it's time for me.

[Aero426]

A number of years ago one of my clients had Brian Redmon staying at his place. My client called both me and his lawyer ( who is also quite into old cars). We spent a couple of hours that afternoon listening to stories about driving a 917 when it was new. The only way the afternoon could have been better for me is if Steve McQueen had risen and been there too. Porsche 917, the ultimate car of it's time for me.

Brian Redman is a lot of fun to listen to.    He was one of only a couple drivers brave (dumb) enough to race the 917 when it was new.     Before they got the tail shortened up, the original long tail was a real handful.    In those days, drivers like Redman were just trying to make a living.  When your number came up and Porsche or Ferrari called on you to drive, you would have to think very hard about saying no, even if the ride might be a little risky.

   

[pettybird]

 Petty Bird is not allowed to answer.

aww....


hey the guys calling Porsches "girl's cars" are getting pretty close to the "secretary's cars" moniker the factory gave the cars in that shot 

[pettybird]

  mopar or no car

don't be silly.

if we all liked the same stuff the world would be a very boring place , I likes what i likes . 

OHHKAY you drive your '81 Omni, '89 Sundance or the Voyager of your choice and I'll take a 911 Turbo. Mopar or no car!




NYCMille my uncle, Ed Baus, is a NASA instructor and GTS driver.  You guys ever meet?  he has a silver/maroon '86 911 tub with a 993 GT2 widebody on it.