Hot Rod Crate 69 Camaro Vert

[69bananabeast]

some one was asking about it awhile back , and the issue just came in today  36 pages

[Charger_Fan]

I just got it too, December '05 issue...hadn't had a chance to read it yet (maybe I would, if I weren't logged on here ).

That's friggin' cool...a BRAND NEW 69 Cramaro!
I hope this whole venture goes well for them & that it will eventually trickle down to Moparland!


*EDIT* Hey, check out page 26! Our very own AK Charger is adorning the lower right 1/4 of the page!
Congrats AK (& Mopar Suebear), you're another DC member on a growing list in the "Charger In The Press" club!!

[69bananabeast]

saw that car flipping through the pages before reading , very nice    .    I hope it trickles down as well then you wont have guys cuttin up originals and making drag and tubbing out cars.

[Old Moparz]

I'm not a big Camaro fan, but I love ragtops. I'd consider one of these if I wasn't so backed up with Mopars I have. There was rumor they might do Mustangs & Barracudas, & if they do, my crusty Barracuda becomes a parts car. Not a second thought either.

http://www.dynacorn.com/site/14classics/classic.html

[PocketThunder]

From the question and answer part of their website: 

Question :
Will you be makeing cuda and mustang bodys in the future like anounced in the hot rod mag ? and if so when?
 
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Answer :
Mustang yes...'cuda? No. We are not into the MOPAR market.



Looks like us Mopar guys aren't cool enough.... So screw em.  there's 15 Camaros at every car show and 1 Charger.... who is the coolest you say?  we all know that answer....

[Brock Samson]

there's 15 Camaros at every car show and 1 Charger.... who is the coolest you say?  we all know that answer....


  Hear here!     

[Charger_Fan]

Looks like us Mopar guys aren't cool enough.... So screw em.   there's 15 Camaros at every car show and 1 Charger.... who is the coolest you say?   we all know that answer....

Yep.
Looks like Moparz' crusty Cuda just got spared.


Honestly though, I really think that if the Camaro & Mustang venture goes well enough, other more Mopar friendly companies will want to jump in.
Early Ford model T's have been available in all steel bodies for a while now & so have Cobra bodies...and have been selling well. Granted, this Camaro body has 10 times the required metal pieces required to make an actual body assembly & with it goes a higher price...but if it turns out profitable enough, I don't see why a company of Mopar fans with deep pockets wouldn't want to make some of their own.

At the very least, hopefully we'll at least see some decent replacement sheetmetal become available.
I have heard that Goodmark is hesitant to make full 2nd gen Charger 1/4's because the Challenger ones they've made aren't selling well enough. That will suck if that's the case, but Goodmark isn't the only company capable of stamping out sheetmetal in this country...so hopefully another company will run with the ball if Goodmark drops it.

[Old Moparz]

From the question and answer part of their website:  

Question :
Will you be makeing cuda and mustang bodys in the future like anounced in the hot rod mag ? and if so when?
 
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Answer :
Mustang yes...'cuda? No. We are not into the MOPAR market.



Looks like us Mopar guys aren't cool enough.... So screw em.   there's 15 Camaros at every car show and 1 Charger.... who is the coolest you say?   we all know that answer....

Hey PT, where was that question & answer? The page I read only had questions about other Camaros & Firebirds.

[Johnny SixPack]

Click the top pic deal on the left.

Should take you to the FAQ page.

[Old Moparz]

This is what I'm seeing, nothing about a Mustang or a Cuda:


Top Asked Questions
Camaro

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What about the VIN?

When are you coming out with a 69 Camaro coupe body.

Any other car bodies coming out? Belair, Nova, GTO, Firebird..? This camaro body looks sweet. When the coupe comes out I am going to look into getting one. Thanks..

Do I need a donor car?

How much will it cost?

How hard is it to build?

Do you plan on making a fully complete turn key 69 camaro?

Can I order one from you?

any plans for a 67 Camaro coupe body?

Any plans for a 68 Camaro Convertible?

will there be any 67-69 firebird convertibles models built

I am looking for a dealer in the
jersey area tobuy the body plus a front clip and rear suspension attached. Could you suggest someone? I used your dealer locator but the two dealers I called could not help me.

Will you be manufacturing/selling factory correct '67 Camaro quarter panels anytime soon?

When will the 67 convt. be coming out?

I read an article in a car magazine that suggested that you may offer options such as the factory looking extra wide rear inner wheel wells in the 67-9 camaro/firbird bodys. Any thoughts as to if you will and when?

Are there any plans for a 71 or later Camaro body?

Have you estimated a price for the 69 coupe body yet?

what is the lead time after payment for the convert tub to arive at my home? thank you, ED,,, by the way...great job!!!

Hi, do you plan to make complete quarter panels for 68 firebird convertible

I have a couple of questions:
Do I have the option of deleting holes for the A/C, heater and other firewall holes on the 1969 body shell?
Would it be possible to have you build a 1969 body shell utilizing the widened Detroit Speed & Engineering rear inner fender wells rather than the stock ones?

Thank you,
Brian Thibodeaux

[PocketThunder]

Go to "view all topics"

http://www.dynacorn.com/site/15faq/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=11

Question :
when are you doing the 67/68 mustang fastback ?
 
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Answer :
They should be available at the end of this year. However, it will be a '67 not a 67-68.

[Old Moparz]

Go to "view all topics"

http://www.dynacorn.com/site/15faq/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=11

Question :
when are you doing the 67/68 mustang fastback ?
 
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Answer :
They should be available at the end of this year. However, it will be a '67 not a 67-68.

Okay, found it. Not that it's good news though.

http://www.dynacorn.com/site/15faq/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=13

[PocketThunder]

I just asked for 68, 69, or 70 Chargers..... then i wrote "nevermind, there's no market for us Mopar guys! "  i wonder if they'll put that on the site, i asked it in the Misc. section.

[Charger_Fan]

Hey, I found Silver's question in the misc. section...

Question :
any parts.
 
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Answer :
Lots of parts.

[ChargerBill]

I have a pretty good idea why they won't do a Cuda. I mean, is DCX very friendly to aftermarket developers and suppliers? Aren't their liscensing fees ridiculous? If they aren't planning on building any Mopars I think we came blame the good 'ole Germans and their winning personalities for that...

[BigBlackDodge]

I wonder if it's more like DCX will not let them build and use the Cuda name?

BBD

[2fast4u]

    Hot Rod has rarely let any chry./dodge or ply. into "thier" Magazine!!    hmmm!   "Their" loss!!   

2fast

PS:  I've never really liked Hot Rod Magazine just for that reason!!

[ChargerBill]

     Hot Rod has rarely let any chry./dodge or ply. into "thier" Magazine!!     hmmm!     "Their" loss!!     

2fast

PS:   I've never really liked Hot Rod Magazine just for that reason!!

Probably not the strongest argument for disliking a publication, but I guess everyone's got their reasons... Personally I was irritated with the magazine for about 8 years or so because it seemed that advertising had taken it over, and the format was old and tired. Honestly, with the new format and focus on performance tips, tech and unique stories I think it's a pretty decent mag with a lot of good info to offer. I'm a subscriber, but then, I read a bunch of magazines every month. Currently I get to Newsweek, Forbes, Popular Science, Cargo, Mopar Muscle, Mopar Action, Mopar Collectors Guide, Muscle Car Magazine, Hemmings Muscle Cars, Hemmings Classic Cars, Super Rod, Hot Rod Magazine and Classic Truck...I can usually read an entire magazine in a couple of days. I skip a few articles here and there about lame cars or lowriders, ricers etc... but for the most part I read them all cover to cover. BTW: I don't subscribe to all of these magazines, I get a couple from my mother, one from my brother-in-law, a couple from friends and I subscribe to 5 myself. Heck, at $10 to $15 per year for most of them, how can you not?...valuable info and entertainment on the cheap.

BTW: Whether DCX won't allow reproduction, or licensing is cost prohibitive...we can STILL blame them and not the guys re-poping the Camaro. And say what you will about hating Camaros, but I think this company is doing a great service to the hobby and should be applauded for their efforts. Sure they're making a few bucks, but they are also breathing life into the industry and will likely be somewhat responsible for repopularizing an American icon....yes, the Camaro IS an American icon, like it or not. In 5 years these bodies will be more affordable and more peripheral products will be needed and manufactured to keep up with demand. Not a bad situation from any angle IMO.

[Ghoste]

And we are behind the Camaro guys in the trends of the hobby anyway.  Right now, we are into the clone phase.  There were far more 69 Z28's on the road than Chev ever built several years back.  We have to get through all of this before we can get to the reproduction cars.

[dart3404]

Hey, I found Silver's question in the misc. section...

Question :
any parts.
 
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Answer :
Lots of parts.

That's more along the mustang boys kinda question...

[Ghoste]

Do you mean Mustang boys in a plural, generic sense or do you mean the one in particular who referred to you as "that Dart girl"?

[PocketThunder]

I just asked for 68, 69, or 70 Chargers..... then i wrote "nevermind, there's no market for us Mopar guys! "   i wonder if they'll put that on the site, i asked it in the Misc. section.

This is what he said. 

I never said there is no market for Mopar, I said MOPAR is not OUR market.

[Old Moparz]

I gave more thought to how the Camaro will become even more popular due to the overall low cost. If you think about anyone who is at the "entry level" of the older car hobby, you'll see why. If someone likes pony cars & is looking for a starting point, they have no choice but to consider the Camaro over the Cuda. The average person cannot afford an E-Body, so if there's no brand preference embedded in them yet, there will be one to the bow tie. I love convertibles, & would definitely consider the repro Camaro body (Chebby or not) if I was looking for a rust free, ragtop project. (That isn't happening though, my hands are full.)

I have a friend that's a Chebby lover, but dislikes ragtops. He does like Camaros & the '72 & up Cudas because of the round tail lights. He's also said he'd be interested in getting a Cuda some day if he would want a Mopar. Now that Dynacorn states that they are planning a hardtop version of the Camaro, I have a strong feeling he may consider that instead of the Cuda. If you can snag a Camaro parts car, which there are plenty of, & a 350 crate motor from GM, your on your way to a cheap muscle car. I'd like to see the Mustang when, & if it becomes a reality. That would be a cheap entry level car too.

[Ghoste]

Backing up to the point about Goodmark not being happy with the Challenger 1/4 acceptance, did anyone else wonder why they started the program with that and not the Cuda?  I would think there are more people doing the Plymouth and they need to be promoting the hell out of it.

[Old Moparz]

Ghoste, Same thing with the hoods years back. Who the hell thinks of hoods when they have a major rot box they need quarters & fenders for? I had Mopars in the early 1980's that needed quarters & fenders. Hoods were, & are, still plentiful & cheap compared to the other stuff. Must be a bad marketing plan, but what the hell do I know? I didn't graduate with a business degree. 

[Ghoste]

I didn't even know somebody had repopped hoods.  Was that Goodmark as well?

[Charger_Fan]

BTW: Whether DCX won't allow reproduction, or licensing is cost prohibitive...we can STILL blame them and not the guys re-poping the Camaro. And say what you will about hating Camaros, but I think this company is doing a great service to the hobby and should be applauded for their efforts. Sure they're making a few bucks, but they are also breathing life into the industry and will likely be somewhat responsible for repopularizing an American icon....yes, the Camaro IS an American icon, like it or not. In 5 years these bodies will be more affordable and more peripheral products will be needed and manufactured to keep up with demand. Not a bad situation from any angle IMO.

Backing up to the point about Goodmark not being happy with the Challenger 1/4 acceptance, did anyone else wonder why they started the program with that and not the Cuda?  I would think there are more people doing the Plymouth and they need to be promoting the hell out of it.

I'm not sure why they didn't start with the Cuda...maybe because they're not really 'Mopar' guys, they just shut their eyes & pointed...or flipped a quarter.
I think they would have had GREAT acceptance if they would have started with '70 Charger 1/4's first...there would have been a 12 month waiting line.

[Old Moparz]

Ghoste,

Yes, Goodmark did the hoods with the twin scoops. I have no friggen idea why anyone thought that a hood like that, & not a shaker would sell & make a nice profit. 

[PocketThunder]

Ghoste,

Yes, Goodmark did the hoods with the twin scoops. I have no friggen idea why anyone thought that a hood like that, & not a shaker would sell & make a nice profit.  

Isn't that the F&F2 Chally hood.  mabye they thought all the people who watched that movie will want a hood like that.

[Old Moparz]

I'm pretty sure that hood was available long before the movie was out. The hood is nice, & I'm sure there were 19 people who were happy to get a replacement, but I think parts like full quarters & fenders were needed long before a hood. Their site has a lot of things being tooled with future releases planned. I know I'll be getting quarters & fenders for the '71 Barracuda, bumpers for the '69 Satellite, & I'm planning on a major purchase at a swap meet next year if it can help keep the shipping cost out of the picture.

[69bananabeast]

Read part of the article . It never said they wont do Mopar , it just said if they did it would be "further along down the road"

[Ghoste]

Well, it's too bad Goodmark wouldn't try and learn a little more about the Mopar folks before jumping in and then changing their mind.
Not that we don't need Chally parts but you only have to read two Mopar mags to know what's popular.  A little time on the net will soon point you where things are sorely needed too.

[SeattleCharger]

 

[68charger70cuda]

i asked them this question in august.   this is their reply:

Dear Customer,
Thank you for your interest in www.Dynacorn.com.
Below is the answer to your question submited on 08/09/2005

QUESTION:
WHY DONT YOU DO A CUDA BODY? IT WOULD SELL LIKE HOTCAKES!!!!!

ANSWER:
Because it takes millions of dollars for tooling and we almost have to
have a guaranteed market. And sorry, Mopar just is not out marketplace.
This is not to say that someday we might do some MOPAR, I wouldn't hold my
breath however.


Please feel free to get back to us for any further assistance.

Sincerely,
Dynacorn.com

[Steve P.]

Well I just figure that our cars will continue to go up in price as theirs go down.


Yeah, I'm selling my 2007 / 1969 Camaro.. It cost me $64,000 to build but I'll take $15,000.. OBO...

You will see guys at shows going underneath cars to check all the frame numbers and body numbers to see if the damn thing is a graft..

Ok i'm just pissed cause they aren't even spitballing a mopar..    Those ballless wonders!!

[PocketThunder]

So what exactly do you need to "tool" up a press anyways.?  I asked my old roommates who were Mechanical Engineers and they said it would take several hundred thousand dollars to tool up a set of fenders.  So what does that mean? 

Do i need to

1) use some sort of digital scanner to copy the exact shape of a NOS or perfect original fender.
2) use a CNC machine to cut out this shape in a large chunk of steel.
3) fit this steel mold in a large press
4) slide in a properly sized sheet of steel and stamp away?

Is that the basic process?  or am i missing something.   How was it done in the 60's?  There werent computers making these mold were there?  Was some guys grinding away on a set of molds untill they got it right? 

PT

[Charger_Fan]

So what exactly do you need to "tool" up a press anyways.?   I asked my old roommates who were Mechanical Engineers and they said it would take several hundred thousand dollars to tool up a set of fenders.   So what does that mean?  

Do i need to

1) use some sort of digital scanner to copy the exact shape of a NOS or perfect original fender.
2) use a CNC machine to cut out this shape in a large chunk of steel.
3) fit this steel mold in a large press
4) slide in a properly sized sheet of steel and stamp away?

Is that the basic process?   or am i missing something.     How was it done in the 60's?   There werent computers making these mold were there?   Was some guys grinding away on a set of molds untill they got it right?  

PT

That's probably most of what's involved for the fender skin, but don't forget about the inner bracing & headlight bucket areas that are made separately, then spot welded on. I would think the bracing would actually be the hard part of making a fender.

[sthemi]

I have about 25 years of stamping experience..  First off the press needed to produce a fender for example costs 1-2 million dollars.. it is necessary to clamp the sheet then draw from the top and bottom to create all the contours.
Then to get the fold over for the top of the fender it takes another set of dies and presses to fold then and put in the inner edge where the bolts go.. and yes the brkts and supports all take seperate tooling..and differnet presses.
Design and tool room time is at least $75 per hour in the USA...

The tool steel needed to make a fender die is going to be more than $50k

And  dont forget... you need both the left and right sides.. so double everything..

[ChargerBill]

Even though I think the Camaro is a great starting point, in all honesty I think they could have made one of ANY of the following and sold a bunch:

'69 Camaro (obviously)
'67 GTO
'71 Cuda
'70/'71 Chally
'68/'69/'70 Charger
'67 Mustang fastback
'55 or '57 Bel Air
'59 Caddy

And yes, I think that a Charger body would sell very well...even to those who wouldn't have it as their first choice. The 2nd Gen Charger is considered by many/most automotive historians and serious enthusiasts and a HUGE milestone in design. BUT, I am honestly gald that they didn't make a Charger body...I would HATE to see them everywhere and if I was a classic Camaro owner I'd be more than a little bent out of shape over this new offering.