Denver legalizes marijuana possession...........>>>>

[Dale The Bold]

Weed is more like an "amplifier."   For example, you watch...for lack of a better choice, "The Song Remains the Same" without "enhancers" and its a pretty boring concert flick.   Watch it after smoking some good, mellow weed, and the movie comes to life.

When you smoke weed, it makes other people more interesting.   And it makes listening to music an absolutely intense experience.

...all because your life must be too pathetic to simply accept it at it's natural level of interestingness (my new word, created just for this sentence).  

If "The Song Remains the Same" is pretty boring, find something LESS boring that doesn't need chemical enhancement.   Why is this a complex dilemma?

For the rest of us, we need not chemically "enhance" our lives.   Thus, marijuana is even more pathetic than previously thought.   Thanks for pointing that out, I only thought it was "pretty dumb," but now I see that it is "remarkablly pathetic."

[BigBlockSam]

we need not chemically "enhance" our lives. 

everything you drink or eat   chemically "enhance's your life

[Johnny SixPack]

Weed is more like an "amplifier."   For example, you watch...for lack of a better choice, "The Song Remains the Same" without "enhancers" and its a pretty boring concert flick.   Watch it after smoking some good, mellow weed, and the movie comes to life.

When you smoke weed, it makes other people more interesting.   And it makes listening to music an absolutely intense experience.

...all because your life must be too pathetic to simply accept it at it's natural level of interestingness (my new word, created just for this sentence).  

If "The Song Remains the Same" is pretty boring, find something LESS boring that doesn't need chemical enhancement.   Why is this a complex dilemma?

For the rest of us, we need not chemically "enhance" our lives.   Thus, marijuana is even more pathetic than previously thought.   Thanks for pointing that out, I only thought it was "pretty dumb," but now I see that it is "remarkablly pathetic."

[Big Lebowski]

Geez, i guess i picked the wrong week to quit using Valium.

[Orange_Crush]

...all because your life must be too pathetic to simply accept it at it's natural level of interestingness (my new word, created just for this sentence).  

Ahhh, the insult.  That's how we know you have no more valid arguments to offer.

If "The Song Remains the Same" is pretty boring, find something LESS boring that doesn't need chemical enhancement.   Why is this a complex dilemma?

Ever seen that movie?  It was made specifically to be enjoyed while "chemically enhanced."

For the rest of us, we need not chemically "enhance" our lives.   Thus, marijuana is even more pathetic than previously thought.   Thanks for pointing that out, I only thought it was "pretty dumb," but now I see that it is "remarkablly pathetic."

Really?  Ever have a beer? 

If you don't see a need to smoke weed, hey, that's cool with me.  I'm not about to dictate to you what you should and shouldn't do.  As long as you don't tell ME what I should and shouldn't do.  And that's the crux of this srgument.

Pot smokers are hurting no one but (supposedly) themselves.  Any crime associated with weed ais not a result of the weed...it is a result of the laws against it.  Think about that.  Make weed legal and you no longer have dealers on street corners.  You can tax the sale.  You can spend interdiction money on drugs that are actually HARMFUL.

But logic does not work with guys who are not prepared to listen to it.

In any case, your life's gonna become a lot more stressful before too long.  It won't be long before weed gains so much "public acceptance" that no one will care anymore.  Already, more people smoke it than you can shake a stick at.  Its already happened in Canada.  weed is now "decriminalized."  The one thing the Canadian gov't has gotten right is that, if everyone's already doing it...there's no point making it illegal.  I smoked some good herb out in the open outside a bar in London, Ontario a couple of years back.  A cop stopped by and talked to us...we didn't bother putting it out.

That was nice.

Of course, you're always gonna have the "If its the law, it must be right" crowd.  But that kind of thinking is ridiculous.  It smacks of "big brother" mentality and if everyone felt that way, nonwhites would still have to eat in the kitchen at fancy restaurants in the south.

[Shakey]

What I think is pathetic is when a person who disagrees with another, considers that person pathetic! 

Those people are the ones that postion themselves with others using the mindset -

"I'm always right and you will always be wrong, which makes you a loser and me feel good about myself and my existance on Earth".

See ya in Church on Sunday!

[derailed]

What I think is pathetic is when a person who disagrees with another, considers that person pathetic!  

Those people are the ones that postion themselves with others using the mindset -

"I'm always right and you will always be wrong, which makes you a loser and me feel good about myself and my existance on Earth".

See ya in Church on Sunday!

Very well said!!!

[Dale The Bold]

Ahhh, the insult.   That's how we know you have no more valid arguments to offer.

It wasn't meant as a personal insult.   It really is pathetic if chemical enhancement is seen as necessary.   

Ever seen that movie?   It was made specifically to be enjoyed while "chemically enhanced."

Well, that's kind of pathetic, too.   The movie, that is.   Why can't they just make something that can be enjoyed while all the neurons are firing?

Really?   Ever have a beer?

Yeah, and it tasted like pee.   Never been drunk, though.   Getting drunk is just as lame as getting high.   So, you are right to equate the two.   Not remembering how much "fun" I might have had, and waking up in a pool of vomit with a massive headache doesn't really appeal to me either.

So for me it's not really a question of what should be or shouldn't be legal.   I just think that drug use (including alcohol, recreational drugs, and prescription drugs--when not necessary) is indicative of a lack of personal fulfillment.   I see it as a crutch for a person who can't seem to find enough purpose/enjoyment in their life.

If you don't see a need to smoke weed, hey, that's cool with me.   I'm not about to dictate to you what you should and shouldn't do.   As long as you don't tell ME what I should and shouldn't do.   And that's the crux of this argument.

But I reserve the right to declare "Holy crap, I can't believe people actually do that."   And to see it as a psychological indicator that the individual's life is not good enough for themselves to enjoy the alternative, a naturally aspirated life.

Pot smokers are hurting no one but (supposedly) themselves.

Well, they don't hurt the rest of us, but they do annoy us.   Just like smokers and drinkers.   And if they are harming themselves, it becomes an insurance/medical burden on the community.   This is where the Big Mac argument has some merit.   But, along the same vein, I also believe that a person shouldn't be crucified for saying "Stop eating so many Big Macs, dumbass," because they are doing a service to their community if they can, in fact, get dumbass to eat some celery for a change.

In any case, your life's gonna become a lot more stressful before too long.   It won't be long before weed gains so much "public acceptance" that no one will care anymore.

And that's one of the reasons pot smokers are annoying.   We're already debating over cigarette bans in local communities.   Now we'll have another type of tobaccy (that of the "whacky" sort) that people will stand outside of businesses under a cloud as the rest of us try to hold our breath long enough to get through the doors.   It's a shame that we have to put up with the bad habits of others.   The quality of life for everyone would be improved if everyone would seek different methods of personal enjoyment.   If everyone stood outside the door of a restaurant chewing gum, I wouldn't mind (but I'd still think it was pretty dumb).

Of course, you're always gonna have the "If its the law, it must be right" crowd.   But that kind of thinking is ridiculous.   It smacks of "big brother" mentality and if everyone felt that way, nonwhites would still have to eat in the kitchen at fancy restaurants in the south.

We tend to approve of laws that don't directly affect us, but limit the actions of others, particularly when the others in question annoy us.   Kind of like when the frat house next door has a loud party at 3:00am and you smile as the cops pull up.

I will say, though, that whether or not you see the law as a good one, to break the law kind of adds to the pathetically-desperate part of it all.    I mean, not only do you have to resort to chemically enhancing your otherwise drab life, you're so desperate that you have to break the law to do it.   If Big Macs were actually made illegal one day, I could accept life without them and wouldn't have to resort to finding the Big Mac dealer on the corner because I just HAVE to have a Big Mac.   I'd just think the law was extremely dumb and shrug it off, returning to my Big Mac-free lifestyle.   I'd find fulfillment elsewhere.   Filet-O'-Fish, my Anti-Big Mac.

[Johnny SixPack]

[Shakey]

Ahhh, the insult.   That's how we know you have no more valid arguments to offer.

It wasn't meant as a personal insult.   It really is pathetic if chemical enhancement is seen as necessary.   

Ever seen that movie?   It was made specifically to be enjoyed while "chemically enhanced."

Well, that's kind of pathetic, too.   The movie, that is.   Why can't they just make something that can be enjoyed while all the neurons are firing?

Really?   Ever have a beer?

Yeah, and it tasted like pee.   Never been drunk, though.   Getting drunk is just as lame as getting high.   So, you are right to equate the two.   Not remembering how much "fun" I might have had, and waking up in a pool of vomit with a massive headache doesn't really appeal to me either.

So for me it's not really a question of what should be or shouldn't be legal.   I just think that drug use (including alcohol, recreational drugs, and prescription drugs--when not necessary) is indicative of a lack of personal fulfillment.   I see it as a crutch for a person who can't seem to find enough purpose/enjoyment in their life.

If you don't see a need to smoke weed, hey, that's cool with me.   I'm not about to dictate to you what you should and shouldn't do.   As long as you don't tell ME what I should and shouldn't do.   And that's the crux of this argument.

But I reserve the right to declare "Holy crap, I can't believe people actually do that."   And to see it as a psychological indicator that the individual's life is not good enough for themselves to enjoy the alternative, a naturally aspirated life.

Pot smokers are hurting no one but (supposedly) themselves.

Well, they don't hurt the rest of us, but they do annoy us.   Just like smokers and drinkers.   And if they are harming themselves, it becomes an insurance/medical burden on the community.   This is where the Big Mac argument has some merit.   But, along the same vein, I also believe that a person shouldn't be crucified for saying "Stop eating so many Big Macs, dumbass," because they are doing a service to their community if they can, in fact, get dumbass to eat some celery for a change.

In any case, your life's gonna become a lot more stressful before too long.   It won't be long before weed gains so much "public acceptance" that no one will care anymore.

And that's one of the reasons pot smokers are annoying.   We're already debating over cigarette bans in local communities.   Now we'll have another type of tobaccy (that of the "whacky" sort) that people will stand outside of businesses under a cloud as the rest of us try to hold our breath long enough to get through the doors.   It's a shame that we have to put up with the bad habits of others.   The quality of life for everyone would be improved if everyone would seek different methods of personal enjoyment.   If everyone stood outside the door of a restaurant chewing gum, I wouldn't mind (but I'd still think it was pretty dumb).

Of course, you're always gonna have the "If its the law, it must be right" crowd.   But that kind of thinking is ridiculous.   It smacks of "big brother" mentality and if everyone felt that way, nonwhites would still have to eat in the kitchen at fancy restaurants in the south.

We tend to approve of laws that don't directly affect us, but limit the actions of others, particularly when the others in question annoy us.   Kind of like when the frat house next door has a loud party at 3:00am and you smile as the cops pull up.

I will say, though, that whether or not you see the law as a good one, to break the law kind of adds to the pathetically-desperate part of it all.    I mean, not only do you have to resort to chemically enhancing your otherwise drab life, you're so desperate that you have to break the law to do it.   If Big Macs were actually made illegal one day, I could accept life without them and wouldn't have to resort to finding the Big Mac dealer on the corner because I just HAVE to have a Big Mac.   I'd just think the law was extremely dumb and shrug it off, returning to my Big Mac-free lifestyle.   I'd find fulfillment elsewhere.   Filet-O'-Fish, my Anti-Big Mac.

It wasn't meant as a personal insult.   It really is pathetic if chemical enhancement is seen as necessary.   

I am sure it was not "necessary" but rather an option, that was highy recomended, pun intended!

Well, that's kind of pathetic, too.   The movie, that is.   Why can't they just make something that can be enjoyed while all the neurons are firing?

Ever heard of the '60 or '70's?   Two decades that helped, believe it or not, make America what it is today!   And that is a positive statement from a "cousin" up North.

I just think that drug use (including alcohol, recreational drugs, and prescription drugs--when not necessary) is indicative of a lack of personal fulfillment.   I see it as a crutch for a person who can't seem to find enough purpose/enjoyment in their life.

Ever had a coffee?   Yes it is legal and there is a drug in there, a natural one at that called caffeine, that helps people get a start on their day.   Is it a crutch - probably for some, maybe most.   Is it a choice - yes, for all!

But I reserve the right to declare "Holy crap, I can't believe people actually do that."   And to see it as a psychological indicator that the individual's life is not good enough for themselves to enjoy the alternative, a naturally aspirated life.

Talk about judging a book by its' cover!

Well, they don't hurt the rest of us, but they do annoy us.   Just like smokers and drinkers.   And if they are harming themselves, it becomes an insurance/medical burden on the community.   This is where the Big Mac argument has some merit.   But, along the same vein, I also believe that a person shouldn't be crucified for saying "Stop eating so many Big Macs, dumbass," because they are doing a service to their community if they can, in fact, get dumbass to eat some celery for a change.

So smokers, drinkers and pot smokers annoy you do they?   What about people that put themselves on a pedestal and preach to all about how the pathetic people are annoying them?   Wouldn't that be annoying after a while?

And that's one of the reasons pot smokers are annoying.   We're already debating over cigarette bans in local communities.   Now we'll have another type of tobaccy (that of the "whacky" sort) that people will stand outside of businesses under a cloud as the rest of us try to hold our breath long enough to get through the doors.   It's a shame that we have to put up with the bad habits of others.   The quality of life for everyone would be improved if everyone would seek different methods of personal enjoyment.   If everyone stood outside the door of a restaurant chewing gum, I wouldn't mind (but I'd still think it was pretty dumb).

Well, people like yourself who choose not to smoke, have forced the smokers outside and by the sounds of it, that is not good enough now.   Send them to the back of the restaurant or bar and they can smoke by the dumpsters, that probably wouldn't do either as you might have to walk by to get to your car.   It is a shame that we have to put up with the bad habbits of others you say which is followed by your belief that the quality of life of everyone would be improved if everyone would seek different methods of personal enjoyment - like what?   Do you think we should all jam some sticks up our ass and preach about what is right and wrong - give me a f'in break!   What happens when you step in gum outside the restaurant as you are going in?

I will say, though, that whether or not you see the law as a good one, to break the law kind of adds to the pathetically-desperate part of it all.    I mean, not only do you have to resort to chemically enhancing your otherwise drab life, you're so desperate that you have to break the law to do it.   If Big Macs were actually made illegal one day, I could accept life without them and wouldn't have to resort to finding the Big Mac dealer on the corner because I just HAVE to have a Big Mac.   I'd just think the law was extremely dumb and shrug it off, returning to my Big Mac-free lifestyle.   I'd find fulfillment elsewhere.   Filet-O'-Fish, my Anti-Big Mac.

Why can't you do that now?

Dale, you seem to paint with a very wide brush and broad strokes.   I personally don't think it is fair but you know what, that is your choice and I would never refer to you as a patheic for that.

[Dale The Bold]

Ever heard of the '60 or '70's?   Two decades that helped, believe it or not, make America what it is today!   And that is a positive statement from a "cousin" up North.

Yeah, but consider how much better it would have been if those two decades had been drug-free.

Ever had a coffee?   Yes it is legal and there is a drug in there, a natural one at that called caffeine, that helps people get a start on their day.   Is it a crutch - probably for some, maybe most.   Is it a choice - yes, for all!

The coffee thing annoys me, too.  People practically worship the stuff.  To me, it smells like dirt.  Never drink the stuff.  And, yes, it seems pathetic to me that people rely upon it to get through the day.

Talk about judging a book by its' cover!

Not a fair analogy.  Judging a book by its cover is judgment based on appearance.  I'm judging entirely based upon actions.  I also think people who yell when they're angry are a bunch of whiny sissies, but that opinion is based upon behavior, too.  (Random example scenario, no one here yelled).

So smokers, drinkers and pot smokers annoy you do they?   What about people that put themselves on a pedestal and preach to all about how the pathetic people are annoying them?   Wouldn't that be annoying after a while?

Yep.  But I usually don't do that until people get all preachy about how there's nothing wrong with the annoying things they do.  I look at my annoying preachiness as a reaction to annoying preachiness that was already in full swing when I showed up and I'm just counter-balancing it.

Do you think we should all jam some sticks up our ass and preach about what is right and wrong - give a f'in break!

There's a section of the population that does that, too.  It also seems weird to me, but as long as they do it in private and don't touch me with the stick when they're done, or act like they're better than the rest of us because of their stick habits.

[Charger_Fan]

It's official...

[Old Moparz]

Looks Like A Draw.

[Johnny SixPack]

Do you think we should all jam some sticks up our ass and preach about what is right and wrong - give a f'in break!

There's a section of the population that does that, too.   It also seems weird to me, but as long as they do it in private and don't touch me with the stick when they're done, or act like they're better than the rest of us because of their stick habits.

[472 R/T SE]

How many of you actually know of someone prescribed medical marijuana?  How many know of someone that eats narcotics and a laundry list of other meds. for pain?  Don't be so quick to judge.

I hate the pills, they kill my stomach and I have no appetite going days without eating.  And the narcotics are VERY ADDICTTING!!! 

The gonga gives an appetite and severely knocks down the pain.  I have no need for my next high.  Pain dictates that.  Narcotics are just so much more fun, so with an addictive personality such as mine, it's best to stay away from them, which I'm trying to do.

$50.00 an 1/8 and it's what I call polio pot.  2 hits and you're coma-tose.  Oregon's got the best by far IMO.  I was an addict when I was young, stopping completely due to drug testing in the trucking industry, only started again due to my accident, and the intense back pain.  I had a L1 burst fracture that the docs say will never subside pain wise.  I'd rather die due to lung cancer than stomach cancer, I have that choice if I'm contributing to one or the other. 
Eight months into the pills and I developed an ulcer, you know what it's like when you're real hungry, times that by 100.  That's what the pills did to me.  So I'm taking pills so I can take the other pills

Just thought you guys needed to hear it from my perspective.

[Old Moparz]

Sorry to hear that Mike, but I heard it. I also doubt it changes anybody else's opinion since I have watched arguments go in circles for years on here, & all it does is the above. Solidify the opinion someone has already, & increase a bunch of name calling.     

[Lowprofile]

Do you think we should all jam some sticks up our ass and preach about what is right and wrong - give a f'in break!

There's a section of the population that does that, too.   It also seems weird to me, but as long as they do it in private and don't touch me with the stick when they're done, or act like they're better than the rest of us because of their stick habits.

Dude, I used to  see the "Pancake Bunny" all the time when I used to get stoned!  

[BB1]

Everybody Sing.....  

"We all live in a yellow_submarine a yellow_submarine a yellow_submarine."


or


"Love love love.... Love love love love.....   love

Ah man wherez the weed..

[472 R/T SE]

Naaa, I'm not out to (change) anyone's mind, opinion.  I just wanted to give my perspective, maybe some thought about it, some not.  Everyone's entitled to what they believe is right or wrong.  I admit I didn't read every post, feel I didn't have to.   I most likely lost a few fans, but hey, it's who I am now, like it or not

Will we bee moving to Colorado, it's a destination we've talked about, but not for that reason.  Heck, I have an Oregon doctor, why move there.

[Charger_Fan]

 I most likely lost a few fans, but hey, it's who I am now, like it or not

That's it! I'm never speaking to you again!!






























See ya in the next thread.

[Big Lebowski]

  Screw Amsterdam, Denver's much closer for a big hefty sack of the chronic red haired Bubblegum dynamite. 

[Orange_Crush]

Just out of sheer curiosity, I asked a law enforcement officer friend of mine (and someone I used to get baked with on a regular basis) exactly what "marijuana enforcement" is like in my city nowadays.

According to him, for most cops its a non-issue.  If they catch you with a small amount, if the cop's feeling like doing a bunch of extra paperwork, then he might hit you with a misdemeanor which entails a fine and/or minor community service.  Most cops just ignore it preferring to focus on crack, meth, coke, heroin, etc.

In order to be slapped with a felony posession charge, you'd just about have to be trucking a vanload of the stuff. 

[derailed]

In my area i think it depends on if you get stopped by an older seasoned cop who will be a little more leniant or one of those newer younger guys who just finished the puberty stage and would arrest his own mother

[Shakey]

A buddy of mine, who I don't see as much anymore as I am now a family guy, is the epitome of "the crooked cop"!

We've done our share of coke etc. when we were yonger, he cleaned up long enough to get on the force and then got right back into it.  I saw him not too long ago and he hasn't changed a bit.  He makes his collections (dope for sure, not sure about cash but wouldn't doubt it) in the East end of Toronto on a regular basis.  His reasoning, "I don't want to sit in the station all night doing f'in paperwork and I am sure as hell not going to flush the stuff down the toilet - what the hell".  I doubt he sells it, as he would most likely keep it all for himself.  I find this kind of disturbing as he is one who is supposed to be protecting the city - geesh!

[Big Lebowski]

  I can top that one....Ten years ago i'm near Las Vegas/Taos New Mexico for a month to build an Adobe house and go to a 3 day wedding. Long story short, the nieghbor was a Sheriff who looked like the big mean indian "Billy Jack". Anyway, this indian Sherriff was good friends with my buddy who was getting married (thank God) and he comes into the Bachlor party bar with his sqaud car and uniform, badge, gun, and all....walks up to us, pulls out a big bag of reefer and says "Look what i got from 2 kids going to Colorado!!!!"

             No kidding, it actually happened that way. The cops here dont do that, i think.