440 Autopsy is in

[cudaken]

 Well I just got off the phone with Jack at J&J Machine shop and I gues what he has found is good news just odd.

First odd thing is two of the clyinders are out of round? Number 4 which was the one the rod bolt came undone is the worst. It was .002210 out of round, I think I have the . point in the right spot? How the hell does that happen when the block was punched with torque plates?

All of the pistons but one came in at 4.348 want to guess what the odd ball one is? Yep, number 4, it came in at 4.331. All the pistions where new bought in a set and marked .030 over sizes. Looks like speed PRO F--ked up on that one. But you would think that one of the 3 shops that went threw the 440 one would have got that!

Piston to wall clearnces is .0025, I think that what Speed Pro Called for, but Jack at J&J agrees with you guys that it should be .004.

Crank is good, and need to be polished.

One think that I am not sure of if Jack stook it to me a little. He orginal told me $75.00 to check everthing out on the phone. While I was there I did say I like all the number written down and also took 3 extra pistons as well. He also checked all the rods and number 4 that the bolt came lose on was fine. Just told me the current bill is now $135.00 but he did write down and check every hole. Told me mormaly he just sticks the Mic in and it fine that it. Writting down all the numbers takes longer, I can see that I guess. I think he may have charged me to un load the 440 with the fork lift.

Here are the prices he gave to make the 440 right.

$75.00 to clean up the block, hone and make sure there is .004 piston clearnces
$50.00 to polish the crank
$20.00 to press off and press on 1 piston
$40.00 to blances the replacment piston
$135.00 for checking the block
$320.00 Total

Then I need new rod bearings, maybe mains, I know I need one. Gaskets but I think I might have a set around here some where. So around $200.00 for what I just listed and the $320.00 I might have a running 440 again.

That $500.00 51,000 mile 400 is starting to sound pretty good to me again Cuda Ken

[Charger_Fan]

Man, that guy sure does like to nickle & dime you.

Since you're selling your blower setup, are you gonna sell this 440 too once it's all done, or run it? The reason I ask is I'm assuming it's got around 8:1 blower pistons in there & it won't have much more power than that 400 engine without a blower on top.
I'm just assuming here.

[TruckDriver]

Man, that guy sure does like to nickle & dime you.

[DFS68_Charger]

Ken,
I,m a little surprised that the No. 4 rod checked out OK. I would have thought that the cap, rod, and or crank would be damaged with loose rod bolts.

DFS

[Steve P.]

Yeah, what they said..  I would think that if a rod bolt/nut fell off or was not at all (tight), you would have  some rod, bearing, piston, crank and head problems. At least some of them!! Are you sure it's not more like 6 to 1??   Just kidding... 

What static CR is this motor??

[firefighter3931]

Hey Ken, that's great news.   Not as bad as originally thought to be. Put her back together and throw on some steel shim head gaskets to bump the static compression up a bit. With the right cam it will still run fine. When he gets the shortblock assembled ask him for a piston to deck measurement and see about having one chamber cc'd so we can calculate the static compression ratio with different head gasket thicknesses. The 2266 pistons usually sit .080 below deck but with yours allready cut .030 they should be closer to .050 below. That is workable with some descent parts selection.

Ron

[cudaken]

 DFS68, Dave, I had only may be 20 minutes on the 440 after I heard the racket. Only 5 minutes under load. When Bob told me there was a problem, I had 1 miles there running of the 2 miles to the Beer Store we used. Then coasted most of the way home, turn off and cost, restart, coast. I have way wonder and know it should not have a thing to do with it if the lose rod bolt came lose to the under sizes piston. Heck if it was that lose you would think it would have been a problem during cam break in. Much less make it 85 miles and 1 hour of run time.

I am not much into things destined not to happen. But this 440 has been a mess from the start. Charger was a poor chosse to stick it in after breaking in half from rust, then the block was .030 under deck height and the list goes on inc breaking of the motor mount lug from the block. Well it would take me all night to post all the woes this thing as but me threw.

When it ran, I was using a stock 72 440 intake, 750 Holley with out the Blower power it was fine, well pretty dam good. With 2.76 sure grip could get 20 feet of rubber and nothing was twiked, had a stock point Dist in it.

As far as compression, was higher than what I wanted anyway. 30 over L2266F speed PRO Pistons (well 7 where) -30 deck height, 88 cc heads and .040 head gaskets I came in right at 9.03 to one. If I use a steel head gasket I should be right at 9.45 with out doing the math.

Reason I was thinking of the 51K 400. Even if I get this 440 running again, still might go south again. Rather have a something with 51 K on it, that motor is right to last that long.

My need for speed is over at this point, just tried of pushing the F--king Charger. Besides with 2.76 sure grip I don't need all the good stuff that went into the 440 with out the blower. If I get it running again it will be pretty much stock. I don't need polised, shoot penned rods APR rod bolts, Apr Main studs, Apr head Bolts, Plasma Chrome Molly rings, Forged pistons, and all the other high dollar shit I have thrown into this mess.

Someone want details on this 440 I will sell it, just tired of fighting. Hell at this point I wish I had my Stock HP manafolds back. Leave the nasty motors to the younger people.

Just want to drive again with no smoke and no rattels.

Little tweaking the 400 will run pretty dam good.

                                    Cuda Ken

[Charger_Fan]

Well, 9.03:1 is higher than I was expecting...good thing you didn't bolt that blower on there, you might have blown something up.


Just kidding, I'll shaddap now.

[cudaken]

 I have called Spped Pro to see if I can get some help from them with the machine cost. Figuers all I can get is voices mail.

  CHARGER_FAN, I was on the broder up still would have been fine with the blower underdriven 10%

                            Cuda Ken

[CB]

So grandpa Ken , looks like $500will get you back on the road?
Does it sound good or bad
Anyway, good luck with your engine story.