Global Warming: Man made carbon emmisions or natural cycle?

[71EV2RT]

OK, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a temperature decrease part of global warming? So the argument that this is the coldest year, or December, or decade doesn't really make sense. It's like this, the temperature rises, causing the polar ice cap to melt, which in turn lowers the temp. of the oceans and causes cooler weather. Or something like that. So cooler temps are part of global warming , right?

[defiance]

China is #1 world pollutant. Ive seen a movie about global warming and most of the smog/carbon comes from their factories. Of course U.S. is #1 consumer so it is part America's fault.

You saw it in a movie?  Then it MUST be true!  I mean, movies aren't as reliable as the internet, but still!

It was a documentary, based on facts. You should stay in school kid, maybe you could buy a real car next time and KEEP it

Just one quick note on pollution US vs China - they beat us, sure ---- meanwhile, we churn out MUCH more pollution per capita.  Seems to me a much more reasonable means of measuring, honestly...

[71EV2RT]

Whatever happened to solar powered houses and electric cars? They were all the rage in the 70's. We live in an area that is typically very hot and sunny, and I never see any solar panels on houses. We live in a rural area, so we don't notice much pollution, but seems to me that the city buses that drive around Tucson all day contribute more than their fair share. Big, stinky, air pollutin' buses that run 24/7.

[TheGhost]

China is #1 world pollutant. Ive seen a movie about global warming and most of the smog/carbon comes from their factories. Of course U.S. is #1 consumer so it is part America's fault.

You saw it in a movie?  Then it MUST be true!  I mean, movies aren't as reliable as the internet, but still!

It was a documentary, based on facts. You should stay in school kid, maybe you could buy a real car next time and KEEP it

I find it hard to feel insulted from such a small mind.

I also don't believe everything I see, either.  Micheal Moore's movies are supposed to be "documentaries", but in actuality, their incredibly biased towards his personal points of view.

[Khyron]

I like cake.

[RallyeMike]

Oh oh. This thread is getting nasty. Time to lock it up.

VOTE FOR RALPH NADER !!!

[Mike DC]

  
You know what concerns me most of all about all this?  

You can predict whether most people agree with Global Warming based on their political leaning.  


THAT is scary.  



We're talking about scientific issues that may threaten our civilization. At the very least it's liable to shift trillions of dollars around in the coming years.  We should not be forming our scientific opinions based on which of these "Kang & Kodos" political parties we side with.  It's an extremely dangerous road to go down.

[TK73]

So, why are people using the term "believe" when it comes to this issue.  Global warming is not a "belief structure" that is open to debate like religion. It is occurring according to leading scientists in the field.  Those same scientists do realize there is a natural cycle, however they are unsure of the impact (not "if" there is an impact) made by man and the likely outcome.

As far as I'm concerned I'll be sure to lean toward the conclusions of the scientific community instead of politicians who are lackeys of big industry and oil... not to mention those who want to "believe" this issue is simply a political move to make our country into the U.S.S.A.

[AKcharger]

31,072 in the American scientific community, including 9,021 with PhDs who say global warming isn't true.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few."
These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.


Guys, we can be passionate about our feelings without attacking each other, no need to lock anything

Now back to our poll 

[TK73]

Hmmmmmm, didn't realize there were over 30,000 climate scientists... 

Since we're throwing around websites:

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011
"MYTH: The science of global warming is too uncertain to act on.
FACT: There is no debate among scientists about the basic facts of global warming."


I noticed your "poll" starts out with a request for opinions on climate science then has a link to possible tax legislation.  Politicizing the science issue??  Apples and oranges...

[RD]

since the poll started out with opinions.. i will express mine.

1)  no matter what is said here, we need to remember that this thread is not going to speed up or stop global warming (if it exists or not)

2)  scientists are going off of data that has been collected for what, maybe 200 years total?  the earth has been around a lot longer than that.. dont you think their theories are just a snapshot that really cannot provide a conclusive forecast with such a small amount of empirical data?  (this goes for both sides of the community)

3)  humans are fascinated by "doomsday" or "armageddon" type of maladies, and this is just another for us to grasp onto and is the flavor of the week (decade).

4)  ultimately... whatever they do to counteract this theory of global warming will only make the earth a better and cleaner environment.  Let's just hope we dont have to convert our cars to electricity.

[71EV2RT]

I agree, I don't think that anything we do will change the Earth's climate, but I am all for cleaner air and less pollution.

[Mike DC]

I think we're a kid who crashed his bike into an electric pole at the same time the power failed at the station.  Now we think we caused the outage.

It amuses me that we actually think we're powerful enough to threaten the earth's climate in any major way.  The worst we'll do is extinct ourselves and the earth will go right on chugging in a couple hundred or thousand years. 

 

     

[71EV2RT]

 

[Silver R/T]

If anyone reads their Bible they will see that there will be end of the world and the earth will be destroyed.

[Ghoste]

What if they follow a different religous manual, do they still get destroyed?

[71EV2RT]

If anyone reads their Bible they will see that there will be end of the world and the earth will be destroyed.

I think some people call that Global Warming, sorry... Climate Change.

[RallyeMike]

The worst we'll do is extinct ourselves and the earth will go right on chugging in a couple hundred or thousand years. 

When you put it like that, the end it doesnt sound so bad 

I'm really disappointed that my POLITICAL stumping for Ralph Nader didnt lock this thread. I think Ralph been dissed.

[Silver R/T]

What if they follow a different religous manual, do they still get destroyed?

pretty much, ignorance is not an excuse.

[Khyron]

Global Warming, Nader, Religion.....


this thread is getting good....


and I still Like Cake.

[Lowprofile]

I like yellow cake with chocolate frosting. What's your favorite? 

[71EV2RT]

Why would it be locked?? Anyway, I agree that the Earth will be here long after we are gone, but I still think we should try to improve our air quality while we are here. Not sure why people are concerned about global warming though. When you think about how delicately balanced our solar system is, I would be more worried about some huge asteroid coming out of nowhere and slamming into our planet, nothing you can do about it. Just like global warming, probably nothing that we can do about it. It's a beautiful world and we should enjoy it while we are still on it

[The70RT]

 I will be glad when I get the Charger done so I can contribute more to the cause. Hope to find a global warmer licence plate frame. I am sure this debate will show up again in in another 30 million years. It is colder than shit here right now....a little melting would be good. 

[defiance]

If anyone reads their Bible they will see that there will be end of the world and the earth will be destroyed.

If you're saying our contributions to global warming are irrelevant, that's just idiotic.  The biblical god has indicated that no man shall know the end times, and man has been preaching armageddon for two thousand years.  Even if you DID randomly stumble upon the right arbitrary religion, it could still be another 100 generations of your descendants that have to live with your mess.  Until there's a god who bothers to teach his followers personal responsibility, I'll pass.

[defiance]

If anyone reads their Bible they will see that there will be end of the world and the earth will be destroyed.

If you're saying our contributions to global warming are irrelevant, that's just idiotic.  The biblical god has indicated that no man shall know the end times, and man has been preaching armageddon for two thousand years.  Even if you DID randomly stumble upon the right arbitrary religion, it could still be another 100 generations of your descendants that have to live with your mess.  Until there's a god who bothers to teach his followers personal responsibility, I'll pass.

Odd.  I thought I was agnostic with Christian leanings.  Seems the neo-Christian anti-reason stance has driven me to near-atheism of late, though...  Didn't realize it until I read that post and realized just how atheistic it was... 

So to all you neo-christian anti-science types out there, ... .uh... thanks?