A VERY UNIQUE Superbird

[jga262]

Does anyone know of this UNIQUE Superbird? #1176 in the Nascar list of vins and is in the Chrysler Registry.
Here are the oddities, originally a 440 car now a HEMI, (vintage engine), factory electronic ignition, (old blue and silver box), a REAL ONE PEICE R/T hood, FRONT and rear wheel well molding, tail light molding. The front wheel well molding was never a factory option and as far as I know was never produced, but it is on this car, yep, it's 1 piece, not a mock up.
I have checked back 2 owners and these mods were on the car when they got it.
Suggetions have been made that possibly a Chr. Engineer had the car and had Lynch Road do some tricks. I have the build sheet and fender tags.
see the attached picture.
Lan

[moparstuart]

nice more picture please   

[tan top]

nice more picture please   

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[jga262]

Guys, I would love to but all of the others are over 200kb, I will see if I can down size a couple for you.
LS

[jga262]

Still trying on the pics

[jga262]

At the Hooters car show

[jga262]

More of the SB with new wheels

[jga262]

One more for now

[moparstuart]

nice decal   

[notabird]

that has to be a neat looking garage! any pictures of the outside ?

[jga262]

It is definitely that, it was a chore to build one to house 5 cars in my back yard. I will get a pic for you.

[notabird]

Thanks
Brent

[BigBlockSam]

 

[PocketThunder]

that has to be a neat looking garage! any pictures of the outside ?

Wow, i've never thought of that idea.  You must have a pie shapped lot. 

[nascarxx29]

I can recall a owner with a superbird that had Petty enterprises installed a 426 Hemi back when the car was new.I got the vin .Will see if its the 1176 car.Not sure but taking a guess I think it was Bud Ambler of Fl.Whos car Im thinking of.Not this car this one is RM23VOA179700

[62 Max]

Since all the birds were built Nov 69,I would really question the electronic ignition.

[Ghoste]

I question a lot of it without a little more evidence but I'm a skeptic.  After that, I will add that it's a great looking car and I'm really digging the hood. 

[Beep Beep Dave]

Does anyone know of this UNIQUE Superbird? #1176 in the Nascar list of vins and is in the Chrysler Registry.
Here are the oddities, originally a 440 car now a HEMI, (vintage engine), factory electronic ignition, (old blue and silver box), a REAL ONE PEICE R/T hood, FRONT and rear wheel well molding, tail light molding. The front wheel well molding was never a factory option and as far as I know was never produced, but it is on this car, yep, it's 1 piece, not a mock up.
I have checked back 2 owners and these mods were on the car when they got it.
Suggetions have been made that possibly a Chr. Engineer had the car and had Lynch Road do some tricks. I have the build sheet and fender tags.
see the attached picture.
Lan

Is the car original paint?
I've seen the Super Bee hood conversion on a few Superbird over the years. I never heard of one being factory. Or seen a factory photo/advertisement etc...
Front wheel lip moulding could be from a 1970 Coronet - rear from a 1970 GTX.
Electronic Ignition wasn't an option - another over the counter piece.
Tail light moulding would be another GTX piece.
Also that vinyl roof isn't anything Chrysler would have put on a car during that era...more like a local trim shop.  

Dave

[xs29j8Bullitt]

I question a lot of it without a little more evidence but I'm a skeptic.

I agree... but would require a lot more evidence... or maybe just clarification of how "original" you believe the car to be.

Great looking car though, and the garage too!  Welcome to the forum!

XS

[nascarxx29]

As said we would need more info .Dont recall of hearing of this original 6 pack car car off hand.Though the tail end treatment is changed like the Blue Bird show car which is better described on page 2 .It also says its one of [Three] show cars retained by Chrysler.The 70 coronet power bulge hood thing has been done ..But far as I know not by the factory.I have some of those hoods but never sacrificed one for a wingcar .But I do have a 70 coronet to hang it on.But have seen some other mods done to real superbird hoods 

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20386.0.html

[hotrod98]

I saved a 70 R/T hood for my wife's bird clone.
At one point I had decided that I just couldn't cut up such a rare hood, but the wife says cut it. 

[jga262]

To all who have replied, thanks.
Here is what I know to be true.
1-The top is original, and I have a NOS Mopar one to match.
2-The front wheel molding from a coronet won't be the same, the lower fender extensions are different.
3- I know electronic wasn't offered until 71, does not mean it did not exist. So far all who have examined the wiring say it appears to be completely factory, so only the original owner will know.
4- I do realize that the rear wheel and tail molding are from a GTX.
5- I do have the build sheet and the fender tag is intact and both have been decoded by Galen G.
6- Original color was Vitamin C Orange and it still appears in the trunk.
7- Other than the hood, engine, wheels, steering wheel and paint the car is 100% original. I have the origainal wheels and steering wheel.
Sooner or later some one will recognize this car and then I will know more.
The last title I have is from Alexander Virginia.

[pettybird]

Milt Wood rides around with wheel lip moldings, too.

[nascarxx29]

Milts car was Gary Rollins of Detroit.And customized it has a 70 RR airgrabber hood on it.Milt works at Chrysler maybe he heard of this car

[Aero426]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20386.0.html

Just for the record, three out of the four bullet points in that old ad have now been proven false.      Not the last car retailed.   Not pulled for NASCAR.    Not a factory showcar.    It's a great car, but was owner personalized.

[moparstuart]

anyone else think the grain in the top looks wrong . I have seen several cars with 80's vintage replacment tops with that grain ?

[Aero426]

I don't mean to rain on anyones parade.  It's a nice car, but I can't stomach that any of that stuff is factory sanctioned.   It sure looks like all day two modifications.  The wheel lip mouldings are aluminum and can be reworked by a good metal man to fit.   Overall, the car has that late 1970's feel to it.   

[Ghoste]

Gary Rollins, now there's a name I haven't heard in a while.  Anyway, it is a unique Superbird jga262, have you had it for a long time now?

[jga262]

Good Morning Guys, and thanks again for the additional info.
1- Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to indicate that the factory built this car as it stands, I am sure they did not. Just trying to find out who and when.
2- After seeing Milts car that makes 2 with front wheel well molding. I have seen some hand made pieces, but when this car was built I don't think many outside shops had the capabilities to truly create factory appearing molding. Mine show no signs of body shop type work.
3- As for the top, as far back as I can research the top has never been changed. it shows signs of extreme wear and stretching.
4- I have had the car since 25 NOV 02.
5- Does anyone know how to contact Milt??
6- Here is anothe pic, not an aero but a HEMI Challanger, Dick Landy Super Stock Recreation

[jga262]

One more pick of the inside of the garage.
I will get an outside pic posted later

[62 Max]

Here is an original top from the blue car.30K original miles.never touched.Not even close in my opinion. .

[62 Max]

Here is an original top from the blue car.30K original miles.never touched.Not even close in my opinion.

[62 Max]

Without legitimate documentation just like the above mention 70 Daytona.It is speculation.These cars had so many modifications in their early days it is very hard to prove what is or isn't.These are almost 40yr old cars and I would bet 2/3 of the members on this forum are younger than that.Anyone can say the factory built if but few can actually prove it.

[jga262]

I definitely see the difference on the vinyl top grain.
My car has 28K original miles but since I have only owned it for 6 yrs only time will tell.
I agree with you about the age of most, I am 58 so I have been around a while and had an original 67 HEMI GTX in 69. I was the 2nd owner. Sorry I ever sold that one, won't make that mistake again.

[moparstuart]

I definitely see the difference on the vinyl top grain.
My car has 28K original miles but since I have only owned it for 6 yrs only time will tell.
I agree with you about the age of most, I am 58 so I have been around a while and had an original 67 HEMI GTX in 69. I was the 2nd owner. Sorry I ever sold that one, won't make that mistake again.

milt is a good buddy of mine I will PM you his email address , I copied my air grabber superbird hood from his .   

[nascarxx29]

 We tend to be a little skeptical when a car surfaces that was unfamilar on the wingcar community radar
There was claims of a built Vit C Warners brothers edition superbird with white vinyl roof.The former V2 Gary Lazar hemi superbird conv.Rumored around as a one off Chrysler built.Just to name a few.  Your car could have been a factory employees personal car .That was outsourced to have those changes.And not a factory styling exercise.Anyway still a nice car.And lets see if Milt W has heard of it

[jga262]

Thanks guys, ya'll have been a big help.
It will be interesting so see if Milt has any input.

[jga262]

That is a great looking 6 pack hood.

[Redbird]

Nice car.

I'll agree with Doug across the board on the items brought up.
There was a time, I believe in the late 70's early 80's where correct vinyl tops weren't available. The big discussion was if "Boar" or "Levant" (sic) graining was correct. Plenty of body  shops had the skill to put on a factory appearing vinyl roof, modify a hood, and modify wheel lip mouldings the day after the cars were bought in 1970 or 1971. My take is that if the factory put on modified wheel lip mouldings in the front for 1 car, they'd likely be 2 piece. Customizers had the luxury of time, the factory didn't. There were a really big variety of home modified hoods in the '70s. Some very good ones George Tamesi (sic) from NY, down to the auto part special with the $ 19 square 2 piece screwed into a hood with a hole cut into the hood special.

[moparstuart]

I saved a 70 R/T hood for my wife's bird clone.
At one point I had decided that I just couldn't cut up such a rare hood, but the wife says cut it. 

this car also had the r/t style scouped hood , for several years  sorry i couldnt  find a frontal view 

[moparstuart]

and this one

[moparstuart]

and this one also

[moparstuart]

wheel opening chrome on this one

[jga262]

nice Birds guys, very nice.
Thanks
LS

[nascarxx29]

[jga262]

Very nice paint scheme.

[moparstuart]

thanks dave i couldnt find that shot , wayne is restoing it back to vitimin C , stock hood and no sidepipes right now , dont tell MCG LOL 

   the rainbow winged warrior is no more(what i called it )  , or the sole bro as wayne calls it . No shag fussy dash anymore either 

[nascarxx29]

Thats one Less retro superbird.This one will remain as its former day.Demon hood scoop custom interior removed vinyl top /paint job.A local area guy from my old neighborhood bought in Albany Ga in 1972 while in the navy.Still has it.He tells me there was a race team called the knight or night brothers from GA that raced superbirds.And his car came from them .With light fire damage to the vinyl roof.It was outside due to a light garage fire.And the car was sitting outside and he happened on to it.And got it and only had 5000 miles on it.I have to look in my archives but memories serves me its 179796   .

[jga262]

I have heard if the race tema, if I remember correctly it was spelled Knight. I am from Albany also.
LS

[nascarxx29]

http://www.superbirdclub.com/customaero.html The George Tamasi Superbird

Nice car.

I'll agree with Doug across the board on the items brought up.
There was a time, I believe in the late 70's early 80's where correct vinyl tops weren't available. The big discussion was if "Boar" or "Levant" (sic) graining was correct. Plenty of body  shops had the skill to put on a factory appearing vinyl roof, modify a hood, and modify wheel lip mouldings the day after the cars were bought in 1970 or 1971. My take is that if the factory put on modified wheel lip mouldings in the front for 1 car, they'd likely be 2 piece. Customizers had the luxury of time, the factory didn't. There were a really big variety of home modified hoods in the '70s. Some very good ones George Tamesi (sic) from NY, down to the auto part special with the $ 19 square 2 piece screwed into a hood with a hole cut into the hood special.

[moparstuart]

wow mod top superbird       

   photo's found at london drug   

[nascarxx29]

I seen that one on there to .But didnt want to relive the modtop daytona experience.  Chargerpunk collaberated it was the one and the same car when the pictures finally surfaced 

[nascarxx29]

I found a 80-s vintage picture of a superbird I owned .And it had the 70 GTX/Sport Satelitte trim on the tail panel.Another retro detail power antenna angled behind the right wing uprights.Electric headlight switch in console next to antenna switch.Also notice the marker lights are in the grille.I got it as a driver with a 383 in it .And a extra non # rebuilt 440.I Was curious what became of it after the friends I sold it to many years later .And found it.It had got restored by Jarkey Sharkey Fl.Then it went to. Pete Mostoff.Who sold it Luke Smith Il.And from there RM23UOA166242

[sunroofsuperbird]

Heres my 1 peice R/T Super Bee Hood I made. and I used GTX taillights only. and my car.

[nascarxx29]

This is a Superbird from 1970 Auto Show.Doesnt appear to have any custom mods done to it .I can see.Its a V2 orange car.Theres another picure which is color taken from the back.I got to find

[Ghoste]

The wing cars almost didn't need any other customizing to draw attention at a 1970 auto show.  They were pretty much able to stand out just the way they were. 

[70gtx440dana]

Hey XX29? From your post above it looks like you used to own U0A166242 and have lost track of it. I have been trying to find out any info I can on U0A166241. Are you familiar with this car?

[nascarxx29]

Cant say that I do .I do recall you had a transmission for 166241
On a unrelated note this is a unique non factory creation
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,29673.0.html

[pettybird]

Cant say that I do .I do recall you had a transmission for 166241

if that's true, and it's an automatic, my 166206 is missing his...

[70gtx440dana]

Nope it's an 18 spline hemi 4 speed box. Believed to have come out of Wisconsin or Minnesota at one time. I am beginning to think that the car must have been parted.
Who know's maybe it's tucked away somwhere. I bought the trans for my 70 Charger R/T and will likely use it for the car.

[68beepbeep]

Here is Pete Veight's (Wingnut426) first Superbird that he purchased in 1979. In 1981 he modified an R/T hood to fit as you can see in the pic. When he sold the car he sold the R/T hood to Richard Dangler who installed it on an EV2 Orange Superbird. He is the first that I know of to do this and he is also the first to make a sunroof Superbird back in 1991 and back in 1981 he built a black 1970 Charger R/T convertible and in 1984 turned it into a Daytona convertible. I have pictures, just have to dig them out.

                                                           Thanks, Steve (68beepbeep)

[jga262]

Thanks, that EV2 Bird may be the one I got. Sure would like to know.
I got this reply from Milt : If a Chry Engineer had the car he could have had the electronic department instill the ignition. There was a lot of the parts and wiring around to charge the ignition. All of the things on your are ez add on's could have been done any time. All of the parts was around and ez to get.

Not much help and did not indicate that he knew the car.

LS

[moparstuart]

contact pete he is a member here

   i'll pm you his email also


pete's daytona vert

[nascarxx29]

Also check with Dave Patik as I recall he Sold Dangler a Superbird not sure what color .But I think it was a orange 6 pack.And I think it also may be mentioned in the Frank M super cars book.Dave sold Dangler a car

[jga262]

Thanks, I will contact him. Mine was originally a 440/4bbl car.
LS

[nascarxx29]

Its not easy tracking cars owner to owner .But here is RM23UOA166242 When Pete Mostoff owned it.And last time I seen it or found a previous owner

[jga262]

My S/N Last 6 is 170878, one of the last ones built.
LS

[nascarxx29]

Got to wonder where this unique Detroit auto show Superbird ended up on page 3
http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/Nov_Dec_2006.pdf

[nascarxx29]

The EX Sema 2005 Superbird is kind of unique
http://www.keldermanairride.com/lift-kits/articles/pdf.php?id=52

[WingCharger]

Hey, could the electronic ignition be from a 1970 Dodge truck??

Late in the 1970 model year, electronic ignition was introduced on Dodge trucks...so maybe?

It helps that this SuperBird was one of the last...so it might have been built when the electronic was introduced on the trucks!

[pettybird]

Hey, could the electronic ignition be from a 1970 Dodge truck??

Late in the 1970 model year, electronic ignition was introduced on Dodge trucks...so maybe?

It helps that this SuperBird was one of the last...so it might have been built when the electronic was introduced on the trucks!

Passenger cars didn't get it until well after January of '71. 

[WingCharger]

Hey, could the electronic ignition be from a 1970 Dodge truck??

Late in the 1970 model year, electronic ignition was introduced on Dodge trucks...so maybe?

It helps that this SuperBird was one of the last...so it might have been built when the electronic was introduced on the trucks!

Passenger cars didn't get it until well after January of '71. 

Yeah I know. But that is not to say a engineer or somebody else had the know how to swapped it.
If it is true that it came factory with Electronic ignition, what else could it be? Those were the only models in '70 getting electronic.

[hemigeno]

If it is true that it came factory with Electronic ignition

Also seen at Lynch Road the day a Superbird with factory Electronic Ignition was made:

[moparstuart]

 

[65post]

I am all for keeping the custom paint schemes of the late 70s early 80s on these wing cars but this one I would Put back ALL WHITE!

[moparstuart]

I am all for keeping the custom paint schemes of the late 70s early 80s on these wing cars but this one I would Put back ALL WHITE!

It is a vit. c six pack car and being restore back orange as we speak 

  here is a shot of the customer painted wing that was on it .  That wing and scooped hood are now going on the owned clone .

[rainbow4jd]

Found this thread in the search box - and I always laugh (not to intentionally be cruel) at the ....

...union, hourly, employee/engineer who mysteriously spends extra UNPAID time to install the "one of (n)one" super special, time travel options, and then ships the car out the door to the factory employee just waiting to buy it.

As soon as someone sees a real automotive assembly line in process you know that this kind of stuff never happens.

What does happen are typos that are related to parts picking from the same parts in the plant - i.e. picked from bin A, when should have picked from bin B.

What does happen are shortage fills or shortage misses - left side got the emblem, right side didn't.    YOU MIGHT get a MODEL trim difference - such as the possibility of GTX trimmed tail lights but its more likely the GTX parts (being a lesser produced model) would be the ones in short supply - not the base trim level parts.

What does happen are paint errors - but again usually associated with a typo - OR damaged at the plant and repainted to hide the original damage.

Your more likely to find an original dead mouse inside the wheel well than to get the one off Frankenstein bird that everyone would love to have.   Makes for a good story, but not much else.