Has anyone used Mp Brakes kits and or they any better than SSBC

[MikeD]

Hi Guys
I have been away for a bit of time. I'am looking to do change to power disc brakes has anyone uued MP Brakes Kits also I have 10pds. of vacum so I need to get electric vacuum pump,do I still to get a power booster or is it one or the other?

Thanks MikeD

Here a new pic that my son make for me.

[8WHEELER]

I am pretty sure they sell they pump separate from any master + booster system, I have had my
Master power brake pump for 4yrs now and it still works great. But I am in the same boat as you
it really is time to get rid of these darn drums and get a nice safe disc brake system.

I can say one thing else about the pump, the instructions were worthless. Called in three times
and nobody could answer my questions, took 6mo to get it routed and working the way it should.

Dan

[67RedCharger]

I am a repeat customer using Master Power Performance Brakes,  On my Charger and 59 Impala.  There is a web site now where you can get installation instructions on their products.  Ask the salesman when you call for that site info if it is not in the installation instructions when you get your stuff.  The Electric Vacuum Pump Kit  sells for $269.95    Call 888-251-2353  and ask to speak with Pat Szyslowski at ext 207.   He will fix you right up.  BTW:  They usually put their stuff on sell during the winter months so this is a good time to check with them.  Good Luck!  Nothing like stopping when you press on the brake pedal.   I changed from drum brakes on the front to disk brakes.

  ~ 67RedCharger ~

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

The SSBC kit is very good as well.  There is a group buy going on right now as well

[MikeD]

The SSBC kit is very good as well.   There is a group buy going on right now as well

Is SSBC any better than Mp Brakes?

I have read a few thinks but not sure which way to go


Thanks Mike

[MikeD]

I need to get electric vacuum pump,do I still to get a power booster or is it one or the other?

Does anyone know.

Thanks Mike

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Mike I used the manual disc kit that does not need a booster or a vacuum pump.   The main reason I went with SSBC is the fact that you use your original drum brake spindles.   Just pop off the drum assy's, bolt on the caliper adapter & rotor and your done

[8WHEELER]

Mike, I am running the stock booster with my MPB Pump. I am glad to hear they have somebody
to help with tech down there, I called twice just to find out if the pump could be mounted
up and down or horizontily, I got two different answers from two people.

Dan

[Big Lebowski]

Mike I used the manual disc kit that does not need a booster or a vacuum pump.   The main reason I went with SSBC is the fact that you use your original drum brake spindles.   Just pop off the drum assy's, bolt on the caliper adapter & rotor and your done

  Really? I was wondering why no spindle comes w/ the manual kit. Now i get it. I just wish this kits Master cylinder had a stock look to it. I'm buying this kit for a customers '70 Road runner, it was a 383 4 speed, soon to be a huge solid cammed 440-6, already clocked at 512 hp at the dyno. Also i hear good things about the MP kits, they seem to have a complete kit, i dont know about SSBC kits, i've heard bad stories about willwood's race only kits.

[MikeD]

Mike I used the manual disc kit that does not need a booster or a vacuum pump.   The main reason I went with SSBC is the fact that you use your original drum brake spindles.   Just pop off the drum assy's, bolt on the caliper adapter & rotor and your done

I was thinking of also going that way with manual disc I just don't if can stop this Charger. Its a long story but I had to change cams last winter I have I a full roller solid cam made by comp.alum heads etc etc.I have not put it on dyno yet but after all the changes on a paper dyno it came with 581 hp and 619 toque. at 6000rpm. This is a show car but the engine was build to race before the body was done.I don't go crazy with the car but one day over the summer I was coming home from a show with a few friends and a few cars got between us so I with over to the left lane to past them up I hit the gas and I pasted these two car and all of my friends in seconds I let go of the long before I pasted up my friends
and looked down at speedo was going at about 105mph and very hard to stop. Also if Imam just going at 40mph if someone cuts you off that more of the common think I just want to be able to stop in time.

Story a bit long story
Thanks Mike

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Mike I used the manual disc kit that does not need a booster or a vacuum pump.   The main reason I went with SSBC is the fact that you use your original drum brake spindles.   Just pop off the drum assy's, bolt on the caliper adapter & rotor and your done

Really? I was wondering why no spindle comes w/ the manual kit. Now i get it. I just wish this kits Master cylinder had a stock look to it. I'm buying this kit for a customers '70 Road runner, it was a 383 4 speed, soon to be a huge solid cammed 440-6, already clocked at 512 hp at the dyno. Also i hear good things about the MP kits, they seem to have a complete kit, i dont know about SSBC kits, i've heard bad stories about willwood's race only kits.

The SSBC kit uses a stock looking master.  Its the master from a manual disc A body

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I was thinking of also going that way with manual disc I just don't if can stop this Charger. Its a long story but I had to change cams last winter I have I a full roller solid cam made by comp.alum heads etc etc.I have not put it on dyno yet but after all the changes on a paper dyno it came with 581 hp and 619 toque. at 6000rpm. This is a show car but the engine was build to race before the body was done.I don't go crazy with the car but one day over the summer I was coming home from a show with a few friends and a few cars got between us so I with over to the left lane to past them up I hit the gas and I pasted these two car and all of my friends in seconds I let go of the long before I pasted up my friends
and looked down at speedo was going at about 105mph and very hard to stop. Also if Imam just going at 40mph if someone cuts you off that more of the common think I just want to be able to stop in time.

Story a bit long story
Thanks Mike

Mike I know the feeling with the stock drum brakes.   Around town they worked fine for a while.   At high speeds it got real scary.

The manual discs stop the car great from any speed and more than once or twice as well.   The brake fade is minimal.

One draw back is the application itself.     I had manual drums in the car and the pedal was hard as it should be.

With the manual discs the pedal effort is greatly increased.     You really have to step on the pedal to get the car to stop....at least for the first few hundred miles or so till the pads wear in.   It has gotten considerably better with the more miles I put on them.
It is also inherent to the design of discs where you have to "squeeze" the calipers to the rotors where in a drum brake setup it is a cantilever effect where the shoes wedge into the drum.

Bottom line is that I am happy with the purchase and the fact that I got to keep my orig spindles and the fact that the master is pretty close to a "correct" disc brake master.

Thats been about 8 cents worth..... ;_  

[CB]

I got power drum brakes and 15'' wheels and also want to swap to disks too.

SSBC sells this kit for $1360 (without groups buy) and it'll fit 14'' wheels.
http://www.ssbrakes.com/products/detail/564/?make=Dodge&model=Charger&year=1969

mpbrakes sells this kit for $1020 but requires 15'' wheels
http://www.mpbrakes.com/db1302hp.htm

now I need to know which kit I need 

['CUDA360]

My white car in the pics has the stock manual disc brakes. I like them alot and will probably put them on the next car too.

The pedal effort is much stiffer like 6t9 said but you get used to it real quick and they really stop the car quick and straight. Which brings me to my question..

Why don't you just get a disc setup off a later model B or E body? they do work well and you don't have to worry about weird looking master cylinders

Of course the same setup is in '73 to '76 A bodies too

[MikeD]

Guys Iam far from a stock look
here a pic of engine bay
So Iam not real going for stock look
just want the best brakes to stop

Thanks Mike

[ChargerBill]

The SSBC kit uses a stock looking master.   Its the master from a manual disc A body

I personally think that Chris' set-up is the way to go. From what I have heard from other Charger owners who have driven with both power discs and manual discs, the power is way too over assisted and touchy, whereas the manual set-up allows you to better regulate the amount of pedal put into the brakes and to avoid a lock-up situation. I also plan on going with manual discs on my Charger when I get to that point. (if ever   )

BTW: if your afraid that your not producing enough vacuum I'd seriously consider a manual set-up....you probably already know that.

[firefighter3931]

Mike, i went with the SSbrakes manual disc setup as well. I opted for the upgraded aluminum 4 piston calipers and slotted rotors for better heat dissipation....part # A 156-2. Haven't installed it as of yet but looking forward to the improved braking over the factory 10 in drums that were on the car. I also upgraded the rear drums to 11 in with the new dana rear.

Ron

[8WHEELER]

I wish I could run manual disc, but since I can't use my legs anymore I need to use
hand controls and manual brakes are way to hard to push. So I have to run power
brakes, heck the car came with manual brakes and they worked fine untill I broke
my neck 20yrs ago.........

Dan

[MikeD]

I wish I could run manual disc, but since I can't use my legs anymore I need to use
hand controls and manual brakes are way to hard to push. So I have to run power
brakes, heck the car came with manual brakes and they worked fine untill I broke
my neck 20yrs ago.........

Dan

Dan

I very sorry to hear about that

Thank You
Mike

[MikeD]

Mike, i went with the SSbrakes manual disc setup as well. I opted for the upgraded aluminum 4 piston calipers and slotted rotors for better heat dissipation....part # A 156-2. Haven't installed it as of yet but looking forward to the improved braking over the factory 10 in drums that were on the car. I also upgraded the rear drums to 11 in with the new dana rear.

Ron

Hi Ron
Its has been a long, I just wanted to tell you the new cam works great,a lot more HP and a lot more torgue. It holds to the back of seat and when you get to 3500rpm the car just takes off up to about 6200rpm.

Thanks Mike

[Big Lebowski]

  Cool, the stock looking Master cylinder from the SSBC kit is the deciding factor. The MP Master cylinder has a very un-mopar look to it.

[firefighter3931]

Mike, i went with the SSbrakes manual disc setup as well. I opted for the upgraded aluminum 4 piston calipers and slotted rotors for better heat dissipation....part # A 156-2. Haven't installed it as of yet but looking forward to the improved braking over the factory 10 in drums that were on the car. I also upgraded the rear drums to 11 in with the new dana rear.

Ron

Hi Ron
Its has been a long, I just wanted to tell you the new cam works great,a lot more HP and a lot more torgue. It holds to the back of seat and when you get to 3500rpm the car just takes off up to about 6200rpm.

Thanks Mike

Hi Mike, i remember awhile back when you were looking for cam recommendations. I think the suggestion was a Comp xs-282-s for your car...but that was a long while back. So what did you end up going with (specs ) ? Good to hear that the engine has picked up a lot of power with the roller cam....that's usually the case. The difference between a hydraulic flat tappet and solid roller is significant, inmo.

Ron

[runningman]

Yeah if anyone else wants in let me know.......prices are supposed to be going up Jan 1..........again

[NYCMille]

Check into the hydroboost hydraulic assit unit. I have one on my Charger that we installed after we did the 4-wheels BAER Disc converstion - it replaces the stock power booster and uses the pressure from the power steering pump to actuate the cylinders in the calipers - honestly, my car will stop on a dime now. One of the best moves you can make.

www.hydroboost.com

[MikeD]

Everybody brings up good points,by reading the repels I say to myself that sounds about right so I go to the next one and again I say that sounds right. So now Iam asking myself which way to go. I have more questions now then before. As far as money well, I just want to get the best 200.00 more or less its done once I just want to do it right.

Thanks Mike