440 Intake

[Moparbob]

Hi,

Can anybody recommend an intake for a 440? It will have a mild cam it it otherwise semi stock,, for now Ive got a couple of holly 750's so I will use one of them. 

[flyinlow]

I have a Edelbrock Performer RPM on my 446. Great mid range torque.
Tall intake, you will have to redo carb/trans linkage. I have 3/8 insulator under a Edelbrock 800 carb with a 4 inch tall drop base air cleaner. Clears my VFN fiberglass bulge hood by 1/4 inch.
No heat cross over . Does take a while to warm up on a cold day.

I have a Holley Street Dominator with a Thermoquad. Less low end.(could be thermoquad tuning) Seams to pull harder 5000 + rpm.

Use the performer rpm most the time. Would recomend it.

[firefighter3931]

Bob, look around for a used CH4B....these are excellent manifolds and work fine with stock throttle/kickdown linkages. 

Here's a recent thread on the same subject :

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50314.0.html



Ron

[rav440]

Bob, look around for a used CH4B....these are excellent manifolds and work fine with stock throttle/kickdown linkages. 

Here's a recent thread on the same subject :

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50314.0.html



Ron

2nd that on the CH4B 

this one is a bit high in price but its alredy been blasted

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Edelbrock-CH4B-Dual-Plane-Intake-Manifold-440-426W-413_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ36474QQihZ001QQitemZ110305002842QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

[Moparbob]

Bob, look around for a used CH4B....these are excellent manifolds and work fine with stock throttle/kickdown linkages. 

Here's a recent thread on the same subject :

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50314.0.html



Ron

2nd that on the CH4B 

this one is a bit high in price but its alredy been blasted

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Edelbrock-CH4B-Dual-Plane-Intake-Manifold-440-426W-413_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ36474QQihZ001QQitemZ110305002842QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

So thats a good choice? What do they normally go for? We have a bead blast cabinet in the shop.

[firefighter3931]

Bob, the CH4B's usually go for $100-$150. I would avoid the manifold in the e-bay auction above because it has been modified...the center divider has been milled down/removed. You want an unmodified piece with the center divider intact. 

The divider is important because it increases torque and throttle reponse at lower engine speeds. Eliminating the divider converts the dual plane into essentially a single plane. Single plane manifolds work fine in the right application but it's not the right choice for a build like yours. 



Ron

[Moparbob]

Thanks Ron,,

U DA MAn 

[rav440]

Bob, look around for a used CH4B....these are excellent manifolds and work fine with stock throttle/kickdown linkages. 

Here's a recent thread on the same subject :

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,50314.0.html



Ron

2nd that on the CH4B 

this one is a bit high in price but its alredy been blasted

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Edelbrock-CH4B-Dual-Plane-Intake-Manifold-440-426W-413_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ36474QQihZ001QQitemZ110305002842QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

So thats a good choice? What do they normally go for? We have a bead blast cabinet in the shop.

they average about $125.00 give or take + shipping . like i said that one is high on price . if you have time just keep your eyes open on Ebay search mopar intake & 440 intake and pay attention to the photos on the listing page not all CH4B intakes are listed as CH4B when i found mine it was just listed as aluminum 440 edelbrock intake .

[rav440]

Bob, the CH4B's usually go for $100-$150. I would avoid the manifold in the e-bay auction above because it has been modified...the center divider has been milled down/removed. You want an unmodified piece with the center divider intact. 

The divider is important because it increases torque and throttle reponse at lower engine speeds. Eliminating the divider converts the dual plane into essentially a single plane. Single plane manifolds work fine in the right application but it's not the right choice for a build like yours. 



Ron

my bad i didnt even notice that the milled out the divider   

[firefighter3931]

Bob, the CH4B's usually go for $100-$150. I would avoid the manifold in the e-bay auction above because it has been modified...the center divider has been milled down/removed. You want an unmodified piece with the center divider intact. 

The divider is important because it increases torque and throttle reponse at lower engine speeds. Eliminating the divider converts the dual plane into essentially a single plane. Single plane manifolds work fine in the right application but it's not the right choice for a build like yours. 



Ron

my bad i didnt even notice that the milled out the divider   

Randy, the center divider is the first thing i look at on these 30 year old intakes. Many of them were butchered early on in an attempt to squeak out a few more top end horsepower. Unfortunately those type of mods come at the expense of torque & throttle reponse. 


No worries bud....now you know what to look for. 



Ron

[Ghoste]

And yet at one time wasn't it more popular to epoxy popsicle sticks into the bottom of the plenum to create dividers?

[firefighter3931]

And yet at one time wasn't it more popular to epoxy popsicle sticks into the bottom of the plenum to create dividers?

Yes....commonly referred to as the Vanke Mod. This was used primarily on the aftermarket Edelbrock crossrams (STR14 & STR15) to help with fuel distribution and reduce fuel puddling in the plenum area. Keeping the fuel in suspension is much better than having it sit at the bottom of the intake manifold. 



Ron

[Ghoste]

I had thought it was a common thing with many of the intakes used in Super Stock at one time.  Mainly those STR's though huh?

[rav440]

And yet at one time wasn't it more popular to epoxy popsicle sticks into the bottom of the plenum to create dividers?

Yes....commonly referred to as the Vanke Mod. This was used primarily on the aftermarket Edelbrock crossrams (STR14 & STR15) to help with fuel distribution and reduce fuel puddling in the plenum area. Keeping the fuel in suspension is much better than having it sit at the bottom of the intake manifold. 



Ron

RON is that VANKE MOD in refferance to ARLEN VANKE ? there is a guy that lives  here in cranberry twp pa. whos restoring Arlen Vanke's 63 Polara 426 max wedge drag car the "EXECUTIONER"



more pics

http://www.ronkirkpatrickcustoms.com/Mopar.htm







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[Ghoste]

It is Akron Arlen that he is talking about.  He also did the mod for the 67 Hemi Super Stock program but those were all Street Hemi intakes.

[SeattleCharger]

oh ya, the CH4B, I bought one after reading the thread link below.  I saved this older thread about the CH4B, scrolling down the thread you see firefighter included a hp and tq comparison of various intakes,  read the thread for more info, or I just copied and pasted firefighter's post from that thread below:

      http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,21355.0.html


quote from firefighter:
"I found the article : it appeared in the july 2002 issue of Mopar Muscle and is titled "Induction Extraveganza" (p.36)

The article is several pages long and they don't have a table with the results listed all together so i'll list them below.

(1) factory 70-71 iron manifold: 575hp@6200/581tq@4000
(2) Edelbrock CH4B : 607hp@6400/573tq@4000
(3) Wiend action plus : 597hp@6300/564tq@4000
(4) Edelbrock Performer RPM : 610hp@6200/590tq@4000
(5) Holley Street Dominator : 636hp@6200/598tq@5000
(6) Edelbrock Torker (original) : 605hp@5500/608tq@4700
(7) Edelbrock Torker 2 (new style) : 627hp@6300/593tq@4900
( Edelbrock TM7 ( old Tarantula series) : 618hp@6200/602tq@4900
(9) Edelbrock Victor : 637hp@6400/593tq@4700
(10) Mopar M1 (single plane) : 629hp@6100/589tq@4900
(11) Wiend team G (single plane) : 597hp@6300/569tq@4900


As you can see from these results ; the single plane manifolds all pushed the tq peak up into the 5000 rpm range while the dual planes were at peak tq by 4000 rpm. The Holley Street Dominator had the best average HP in the 4000-6600 range (572hp) and the best average TQ in the 4000-6600 range (571tq). This motor build is more of a race type combo and wouldn't represent what the average street guy would use. The dual plane is definately the way to go for a mild street application where most of the engine will spend it's time in the 2500-4500 rpm range. These results correlate with the dyno testing we did on my 446....The RPM dual plane made better TQ below 3500 rpm but fell off around 5800 where the single planes kept making more power. That's why it's so important to match all the components in order to achieve the optimum results.   In my case the RPM made 30hp less than the Street Dominator at peak hp.

The factory 70-71 manifold looks pretty descent as does the CH4B which made over 600hp on the test mule. That's pretty impressive for a stock height dual plane intake manifold, inmo.


Ron"

[firefighter3931]

And yet at one time wasn't it more popular to epoxy popsicle sticks into the bottom of the plenum to create dividers?

Yes....commonly referred to as the Vanke Mod. This was used primarily on the aftermarket Edelbrock crossrams (STR14 & STR15) to help with fuel distribution and reduce fuel puddling in the plenum area. Keeping the fuel in suspension is much better than having it sit at the bottom of the intake manifold. 



Ron

RON is that VANKE MOD in refferance to ARLEN VANKE ? there is a guy that lives  here in cranberry twp pa. whos restoring Arlen Vanke's 63 Polara 426 max wedge drag car the "EXECUTIONER"



more pics

http://www.ronkirkpatrickcustoms.com/Mopar.htm

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Yes Randy, that would be Mr Vanke. Man that is a cool old racecar....awesome ! 

I met Mr. Vanke at the Norwalk classic a few years ago....very friendly and personable fellow. 

It is Akron Arlen that he is talking about.  He also did the mod for the 67 Hemi Super Stock program but those were all Street Hemi intakes.

I believe that is correct Ghoste....he also did lots of intake mods on the Hemi Rat Roaster intake manifolds as well. There are several tech articles in the old Direct Connection race bulletins that outline his work. 




Ron

[Ghoste]

Without crediting him IIRC.

[Moparbob]

Bob, the CH4B's usually go for $100-$150. I would avoid the manifold in the e-bay auction above because it has been modified...the center divider has been milled down/removed. You want an unmodified piece with the center divider intact. 

The divider is important because it increases torque and throttle reponse at lower engine speeds. Eliminating the divider converts the dual plane into essentially a single plane. Single plane manifolds work fine in the right application but it's not the right choice for a build like yours. 



Ron

my bad i didnt even notice that the milled out the divider   

Randy, the center divider is the first thing i look at on these 30 year old intakes. Many of them were butchered early on in an attempt to squeak out a few more top end horsepower. Unfortunately those type of mods come at the expense of torque & throttle reponse. 


No worries bud....now you know what to look for. 



Ron

Are there any new manifolds that would perform as well?

[flyinlow]

Performer RPM IMO

[oldschool]

 

[firefighter3931]

Bob, the CH4B's usually go for $100-$150. I would avoid the manifold in the e-bay auction above because it has been modified...the center divider has been milled down/removed. You want an unmodified piece with the center divider intact. 

The divider is important because it increases torque and throttle reponse at lower engine speeds. Eliminating the divider converts the dual plane into essentially a single plane. Single plane manifolds work fine in the right application but it's not the right choice for a build like yours. 



Ron

my bad i didnt even notice that the milled out the divider   

Randy, the center divider is the first thing i look at on these 30 year old intakes. Many of them were butchered early on in an attempt to squeak out a few more top end horsepower. Unfortunately those type of mods come at the expense of torque & throttle reponse. 


No worries bud....now you know what to look for. 



Ron

Are there any new manifolds that would perform as well?

As mentioned above...the RPM is an excellent alternative allthough it does present some obstacles with throttle & kickdown linkage. You would also need a drop base air cleaner assembly so all this adds considerable expense.

The Wiend "action plus" looks descent and is similar in height to the CH4B with a more straitforward installation. That is another option but my first choice would be the CH4B. Patience grasshopper, one will turn up on E-bay soon enough. 



Ron

[Moparbob]

Bob, the CH4B's usually go for $100-$150. I would avoid the manifold in the e-bay auction above because it has been modified...the center divider has been milled down/removed. You want an unmodified piece with the center divider intact. 

The divider is important because it increases torque and throttle reponse at lower engine speeds. Eliminating the divider converts the dual plane into essentially a single plane. Single plane manifolds work fine in the right application but it's not the right choice for a build like yours. 



Ron

my bad i didnt even notice that the milled out the divider   

Randy, the center divider is the first thing i look at on these 30 year old intakes. Many of them were butchered early on in an attempt to squeak out a few more top end horsepower. Unfortunately those type of mods come at the expense of torque & throttle reponse. 


No worries bud....now you know what to look for. 



Ron

Are there any new manifolds that would perform as well?

As mentioned above...the RPM is an excellent alternative allthough it does present some obstacles with throttle & kickdown linkage. You would also need a drop base air cleaner assembly so all this adds considerable expense.

The Wiend "action plus" looks descent and is similar in height to the CH4B with a more straitforward installation. That is another option but my first choice would be the CH4B. Patience grasshopper, one will turn up on E-bay soon enough. 



Ron

I wait, I watch, I learn 

[flyinlow]

If you end up with an intake that needs the kick down linkage redone. Resist the urge to leave it unhooked and shift manually. Can make trans. slip.

[Silver R/T]

street dominator is best for mild/stock builds imo You lose a bit of low end torque but you gain mid-high range

[Ghoste]

I'm not sure I would use a single plane on a stock rebuild but I am of the opinion that the Street Dominator is an excellent intake.

[flyinlow]

When I run the SD. on mine I have a four hole carb spacer under the thermoquad , Supose to help low end drivabilaty.

[Ghoste]

I have a four hole spacer under mine too but with that ill suited camshaft of mine, drivability is still a moot subject.

(No Ron, I still haven't changed it  )

[Moparbob]

Still cant find a Edelbrock CH4B,, anything else as good or better?

[SeattleCharger]

Still cant find a Edelbrock CH4B,, anything else as good or better?

surprised there isn't one on ebay , or someone responding to a parts wanted ad here

[Moparbob]

Only one on ebay and its got the middle cut out. No responses here or in any of the other forums as well

[firefighter3931]

Bob, why the big rush ? Are you ready to fire the engine right now ? I'd still hold out for a CH4B if at all possible....definately worth the wait.

If you absolutely, positively had to have an intake manifold at your door this week then the Wiend action+ would be my second choice...for your application.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=WND%2D8009&autoview=sku


Ron

[Moparbob]

Bob, why the big rush ? Are you ready to fire the engine right now ? I'd still hold out for a CH4B if at all possible....definately worth the wait.

If you absolutely, positively had to have an intake manifold at your door this week then the Wiend action+ would be my second choice...for your application.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=WND%2D8009&autoview=sku


Ron

Hey,

Well,, not exactly ready,, but close. Id say a week or so out. Just a quick question,, would any of the higher rise manifolds offer ant advantages?

[rav440]

BOB , i found this one on EBAY but he wants way to much for it .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-440-intake-factory-CHR-2836149-Edelbrock_W0QQitemZ180314576403QQihZ008QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i Emailed him this

" your auction says local pick up only , will you ship the intake ? also will you take $125.00 for the CH4B mainly because that is the market value for that style of intake . "

lets  see what he says .

maybe you could Email him and ask if he will do a buy it now for $125.00

chances are the guy wont budge on the price and just keep listing it for $250.00 like alot of other jerks do on Ebay thinking their shit is the last of its kind . 

[Moparbob]

BOB , i found this one on EBAY but he wants way to much for it .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-440-intake-factory-CHR-2836149-Edelbrock_W0QQitemZ180314576403QQihZ008QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i Emailed him this

" your auction says local pick up only , will you ship the intake ? also will you take $125.00 for the CH4B mainly because that is the market value for that style of intake . "

lets  see what he says .

maybe you could Email him and ask if he will do a buy it now for $125.00

chances are the guy wont budge on the price and just keep listing it for $250.00 like alot of other jerks do on Ebay thinking their shit is the last of its kind . 

Thanks! I saw that one but I think that guy is out in left feild,, Starting bid $250

[SeattleCharger]

BOB , i found this one on EBAY but he wants way to much for it .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrysler-440-intake-factory-CHR-2836149-Edelbrock_W0QQitemZ180314576403QQihZ008QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i Emailed him this

" your auction says local pick up only , will you ship the intake ? also will you take $125.00 for the CH4B mainly because that is the market value for that style of intake . "

lets  see what he says .

maybe you could Email him and ask if he will do a buy it now for $125.00

chances are the guy wont budge on the price and just keep listing it for $250.00 like alot of other jerks do on Ebay thinking their shit is the last of its kind . 

     $250   

   

                                         the guy's name looks like "coward13",  and he has 0% postive feedback.   ya, right

             really, I would worry about sending that guy any money, even if he agrees to 125

[Moparbob]

Well apparently I got screwed on ebay for the first time. I bought a torquer on December 23 and still haven't seen it or the jerk who sold it to me. Now I'm stuck again and looking. I cant afford a new one right now so if anybody has any leads lemme know please.

If I were to buy a new one (in a few weeks) what would be the best new one for my application:

73 charger
440, stock pistons, shaved heads, lunati can, holley 750, hooker racing headers.

[Back N Black]

Well apparently I got screwed on ebay for the first time. I bought a torquer on December 23 and still haven't seen it or the jerk who sold it to me. Now I'm stuck again and looking. I cant afford a new one right now so if anybody has any leads lemme know please.

If I were to buy a new one (in a few weeks) what would be the best new one for my application:

73 charger
440, stock pistons, shaved heads, lunati can, holley 750, hooker racing headers.

Did you pay with PayPal? if so open a dispute and they will withdraw the money from his account and hold it until the dispute is resolved.. If there is no money in his account the will put a neg balance on his account

[Moparbob]

Well apparently I got screwed on ebay for the first time. I bought a torquer on December 23 and still haven't seen it or the jerk who sold it to me. Now I'm stuck again and looking. I cant afford a new one right now so if anybody has any leads lemme know please.

If I were to buy a new one (in a few weeks) what would be the best new one for my application:

73 charger
440, stock pistons, shaved heads, lunati can, holley 750, hooker racing headers.

Did you pay with PayPal? if so open a dispute and they will withdraw the money from his account and hold it until the dispute is resolved.. If there is no money in his account the will put a neg balance on his account

Yes filed a dispute,, so did another guy I found out.

[General_01]

Found this on Ebay Bob.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/N-O-S-Edelbrock-CH4B-Chrysler-Mopar-RB-440-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ200295747325QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[rav440]

Found this on Ebay Bob.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/N-O-S-Edelbrock-CH4B-Chrysler-Mopar-RB-440-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ200295747325QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

$200.00  thats about $60.00 to much 

[firefighter3931]

Found this on Ebay Bob.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/N-O-S-Edelbrock-CH4B-Chrysler-Mopar-RB-440-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ200295747325QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

$200.00  thats about $60.00 to much 

That does seem a little high but this is a new/never installed piece and they aren't making these anymore. 

Bob could easily end up paying more for a new manifold that won't work as well. 

At that price i would be all over it...especially if it was the right part for my build. 



Ron

[rav440]

Found this on Ebay Bob.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/N-O-S-Edelbrock-CH4B-Chrysler-Mopar-RB-440-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ200295747325QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

$200.00  thats about $60.00 to much 

That does seem a little high but this is a new/never installed piece and they aren't making these anymore. 

Bob could easily end up paying more for a new manifold that won't work as well. 

At that price i would be all over it...especially if it was the right part for my build. 



Ron

yep your right . i didnt factor in the never used NOS part . 

[SeattleCharger]

new, and like ron said, a lot of manifolds cost more than that, that aren't as good or what you want, 
        CH4B, mad rare Jay, mad rare            are prices going up on these things?  supply and demand,  seems like there haven't been to many on the market lately,   

[firefighter3931]

          are prices going up on these things?  supply and demand,  seems like there haven't been to many on the market lately,   

It does seem like there are less and less of these available these days. I guess that cat is out of the bag....they work very well and are highly desirable. 

The one in the E-bay auction is also a vintage Chrysler piece and has the part number stamped into it. Back in the Direct Connection days this was an over the counter speed part....very cool.

Like i said earlier...manifolds that don't perform as well sell for more cash than this one....



Ron

[rav440]

BOB , if your still looking for the CH4B , there are 2 on EBAY .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300290922642&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/440-dodge-edelbrock-ch4b-RARE-mopar-factory-part_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34198QQihZ007QQitemZ170298526033QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[SeattleCharger]

That first one sure started with a low bid.   Because its painted?   

[SeattleCharger]

oh ya, it has a little damage it says