Is it true they only made 12 triple black 69 Charger SE's?

[1969chargerrtse]

"One of only twelve triple black Charger SE's made in 1969"


http://www.use.com/96c1326ce965c5db181d?p=44&orig=e


I've seen close to that number in RT/SE's alone?

[69 OUR/TEA]

They're saying SE,not mentioning R/T SE.Don't know about 12,that sounds a little low.Would probably bet they made alot more than that.As far as that car,it has been for sale just about a summer long if not longer,seen it on e-bay relisted alot.It looks like a real nice car,but the BIN is out of this world for what it is,would'nt even say half that!!! IMO

[1969chargerrtse]

They're saying SE,not mentioning R/T SE.Don't know about 12,that sounds a little low.Would probably bet they made alot more than that.As far as that car,it has been for sale just about a summer long if not longer,seen it on e-bay relisted alot.It looks like a real nice car,but the BIN is out of this world for what it is,would'nt even say half that!!! IMO

I knew this thread would get you.   85k?  I think not.  The car is nice, real nice, but there's a lot to correct to be worth even 1/2 that.  Staring with moving in the tips a bit.

[Ghoste]

The production numbers don't quite break down that way.  A lot of times these folks will pull a number from Galens Registry and when he says he has 6 "registered" with blue tinted solar death rays, the auction companies, selling brokers, owners often come out with statements like this car "IS" one of six.  Chrysler just didn't track their options and colors in that way.  They had percentages of a lot of that stuff and we can make some pretty educated guesses and in the case of known quantities obviously we can make statements to that effect.  For example, they know for sure how many red 70 Hemi Cuda convertibles were made.   I think though that with the number of SE's built to say for sure there were only 12 in triple black??  They could be right but it could be more or even less.
Unless regular SE's have all been registered and we know.  How about it Chris?

[Blown70]

Ha hmm  Larry.... (hotrod98)   ahhhh hemmmmm 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

As of now I only have 1 3x black 383 SE car  and only 8 true 3x black RT/SE cars

The 1 383 SE car that I do have is the above mentioned car....
This one have been on the chopping block since 2005!

[Ghoste]

So it isn't the one you have registered already?

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

So it isn't the one you have registered already?

Yes, see above edit!

[1969chargerrtse]

So it isn't the one you have registered already?

Yes, see above edit!

I remember last year a triple black SE on ebay from a body shop in FL.  Is this that car also?   I think it also was column shift.  So maybe 12 is true?  How would one confirm this?

[69_500]

The only way to confirm that it is a 1 of 12 is to have seen every charger SE that was produced in 1969, and then add up how many were triple black. Other than that, the only thing one can do is go off of how many have been found.

[hotrod98]

Ha hmm  Larry.... (hotrod98)   ahhhh hemmmmm 

I've owned two triple black '69 R/T SE's. The first one was a matching numbers car that needed a total resto. Was a very solid car though.  Traded it for a complete '71 Cuda in rough shape. I still have the Cuda. The Charger that I have now is a non matching numbers car. It had the R/T emblems on the quarters instead of the stripe. While it's now a daytona clone, I kept all of the parts and can convert it back within days. Altering the back window is not as permanent as it sounds. Too bad this one's not the matching numbers car. It does have the original data plate. I should be driving it by spring.

[nakita7]

Chrysler doesn't even know how many Wing cars or 69 RT/SE's they produced, do you really think they know how many of a car they painted black? Been into Mopars a LONG time, and after hearing and seeing 3 or 4 different totals for any particular question, the whole 'numbers game' really means nothing after awhile...

[1969chargerrtse]

Chrysler doesn't even know how many Wing cars or 69 RT/SE's they produced, do you really think they know how many of a car they painted black? Been into Mopars a LONG time, and after hearing and seeing 3 or 4 different totals for any particular question, the whole 'numbers game' really means nothing after awhile...

I'm getting all confused, I though they made about 4,243 69 RT/SE's?  Aren't there numbers on Chris's site?    http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/stats.html
Aren't they also the company that says things like " 1 of 3 that were red with a 4spd and passenger side mirror? "

[BB1]

Why doesn't anyone know anything about double black cars like mine. 
More rare or not.
Who here has one, I've haven't seen or known any others on this board. 

[Blown70]

Ha hmm  Larry.... (hotrod98)   ahhhh hemmmmm 

I've owned two triple black '69 R/T SE's. The first one was a matching numbers car that needed a total resto. Was a very solid car though.  Traded it for a complete '71 Cuda in rough shape. I still have the Cuda. The Charger that I have now is a non matching numbers car. It had the R/T emblems on the quarters instead of the stripe. While it's now a daytona clone, I kept all of the parts and can convert it back within days. Altering the back window is not as permanent as it sounds. Too bad this one's not the matching numbers car. It does have the original data plate. I should be driving it by spring.

Was only messing with you Larry.  I think its a great car either way.   

[C500]

Why doesn't anyone know anything about double black cars like mine. 
More rare or not.
Who here has one, I've haven't seen or known any others on this board. 

One of the things I do know about double black cars is they gave one away in the Dr Pepper "win 7 Dodge Chargers" sweepstake back in the day.

[69_500]

Chrysler doesn't even know how many Wing cars or 69 RT/SE's they produced, do you really think they know how many of a car they painted black? Been into Mopars a LONG time, and after hearing and seeing 3 or 4 different totals for any particular question, the whole 'numbers game' really means nothing after awhile...

I'm getting all confused, I though they made about 4,243 69 RT/SE's?  Aren't there numbers on Chris's site?    http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/stats.html
Aren't they also the company that says things like " 1 of 3 that were red with a 4spd and passenger side mirror? "

There are numbers for how many total cars were made. And there are numbers that break it down by R/T and RT/SE. However after that it all goes vague. I don't recall any factory literature that states that any cars were 1 0f 3 made. All of those quotes came years later, and are done by various people with registries who track particular cars.

[69 OUR/TEA]

A ways back I remember having a mopar magazine with a page by Galen called "by the numbers",it was an article on breakdown of 69 R/T SE's,total production,and each option,and listed with how many were made with that option.If my memory serves me the couple that stuck in my head were power disc brakes,something like 700's,723 rings a bell,and power windows also something like 700's.So basically you could narrow your car down to at least that.Wish I could find that magazine so I could see again.

[69_500]

Even those numbers aren't concrete though. They are based on factory papers that speculate how much of a percentage of the entire run had what option. So say there was 100,000 cars made, and 8% had power windows. That would make 8000 power window cars. Now that would be the only thing you would know for sure, but you wouldn't know what color they are, or what other options they would have. Say they also made 8% of the cars with power disc brakes. That means again 8000 would have power disc brake, but you don't know how many of those also had the power window option.

[Ghoste]

author=1969chargerrtse link=topic=51039.msg557756#msg557756 Aren't they also the company that says things like " 1 of 3 that were red with a 4spd and passenger side mirror? "

Not even close.  Fords can get that info on the Marti Reports but Chrysler has never offered that sort of info.  There are quite a few people and magazine articles that CLAIM this sort of info but it's all an educated guess at best.

[69_500]

The best company for factory documents would have to be Pontiac by far. Even the Ford reports aren't 100% accurate from what I've been told.

[1969chargerrtse]

The best company for factory documents would have to be Pontiac by far. Even the Ford reports aren't 100% accurate from what I've been told.

Yes, that is 100% true. Pontiac has great records. How Chevy doesn't and Pontiac does is beyond me?

[Ghoste]

Because in the happy times before badge engineering, Pontiac and Chevrolet in many ways were allowed to operate as two separate companies with the same owners.

[nakita7]

Chrysler doesn't even know how many Wing cars or 69 RT/SE's they produced, do you really think they know how many of a car they painted black? Been into Mopars a LONG time, and after hearing and seeing 3 or 4 different totals for any particular question, the whole 'numbers game' really means nothing after awhile...

I'm getting all confused, I though they made about 4,243 69 RT/SE's?  Aren't there numbers on Chris's site?    http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/stats.html
Aren't they also the company that says things like " 1 of 3 that were red with a 4spd and passenger side mirror? "

Wow, when I had my 69 RTSE (approx. 20 years ago), I was told 500, also told 'approx. 500' and I think a number around 2500 was bantered about. Then there are the 'percentage' stats, those are excellent when you don't know the original number.  These are not just numbers I 'heard' from people, these are stats I saw in books and magazines, because I wanted to get the lowdown on numbers at that time too. I saw so many different figures I just couldn't care less anymore.

I understand that when you are selling a low production number car, especially to a numbers guy, it plays a role, but to me it doesn't mean squat. What I find funnier is nowadays are these cars that are 1 of 9 because it has 999 paint, two-way glass, rear bumperettes only and the ultra-rare side mounted luggage rack. Well, of course when you factor in options, ANY car because more rare, I mean geesh...Hello! When we can't even get a numbers breakdown for the MODEL, forget the further breakdown. I personally have seen different numbers for the amount of Wingcars produced, and that one should have been an easy one...

I mean, really think about it, isn't EVERY car 1 of 1? Are there 2 Mopars that were were ever built exactly the same? Just wondering...

[69 OUR/TEA]

I agree,
   almost every car can be a one of one from the options and colors it was born with,I can't stand hearing  the saying 1 of...... .Now,that there is another model for 69's , an R/T SE ,it is interesting to know how many were made as opposed to R/T's.Now as far as the "holy grail" mopars pounded into everyones heads now,like wing cars for instance,(and I'm not saying anything  against  them for those of you who own them),how many people now just want them because of the values,or the status of owning one,as apposed to one having a deep passion for that car regardless of its production number,value,race car history,etc?
    For my satisfaction,my top car to own was a 69 R/T.Bought it 11 years ago,B5 blue,white top,white stripe.My ultimate color combo to have,triple black.Not being a deadset purist like paint oversray,markings,date coded everything,etc.....could not bring myself to paint it black.Earlier this year landed a factory 3x9 R/T SE ,not set out for an R/T SE,but it was there for the taking so even better.Now that I have my dream car,it would be the last one I would sell if ever in a bind.This is my fav regardless of value,number made,public opinion,etc.They could have made 100,000 3x9 R/T SE's and my desire would still be the same.As far as the C 500's,they have their big following(again,not offending anyone,my respect is there toward them),but one of my favorite parts on a 69 IS the grill,AND the set in rear window.Myself would have to like the actuall C500 for what it is and not based on the nascar history,because I have never cared for or will .
     Going off on a bit of a rant,not trying,but as far as Mopar or no car attitude,thats not me.I can think of a dozen brand x musclecars I would love to own.Put the value aside,if my choice was a 70 Hemi Cuda or 70 Buick GSX Stage1,I'd take the GSX!!!

[Ghoste]

how many people now just want them because of the values,or the status of owning one,as apposed to one having a deep passion for that car regardless of its production number,value,race car history,etc? ...
Put the value aside,if my choice was a 70 Hemi Cuda or 70 Buick GSX Stage1,I'd take the GSX!!!

Not just wing cars, I feel that way about all old musclecars in general.  I'd take the Cuda over the GSX though, but thats just me.

[Back N Black]

I agree,
   almost every car can be a one of one from the options and colors it was born with,I can't stand hearing  the saying 1 of...... .Now,that there is another model for 69's , an R/T SE ,it is interesting to know how many were made as opposed to R/T's.Now as far as the "holy grail" mopars pounded into everyones heads now,like wing cars for instance,(and I'm not saying anything  against  them for those of you who own them),how many people now just want them because of the values,or the status of owning one,as apposed to one having a deep passion for that car regardless of its production number,value,race car history,etc?
    For my satisfaction,my top car to own was a 69 R/T.Bought it 11 years ago,B5 blue,white top,white stripe.My ultimate color combo to have,triple black.Not being a deadset purist like paint oversray,markings,date coded everything,etc.....could not bring myself to paint it black.Earlier this year landed a factory 3x9 R/T SE ,not set out for an R/T SE,but it was there for the taking so even better.Now that I have my dream car,it would be the last one I would sell if ever in a bind.This is my fav regardless of value,number made,public opinion,etc.They could have made 100,000 3x9 R/T SE's and my desire would still be the same.As far as the C 500's,they have their big following(again,not offending anyone,my respect is there toward them),but one of my favorite parts on a 69 IS the grill,AND the set in rear window.Myself would have to like the actuall C500 for what it is and not based on the nascar history,because I have never cared for or will .
     Going off on a bit of a rant,not trying,but as far as Mopar or no car attitude,thats not me.I can think of a dozen brand x musclecars I would love to own.Put the value aside,if my choice was a 70 Hemi Cuda or 70 Buick GSX Stage1,I'd take the GSX!!!

I agree, i would pick a 69 Charger over a 500 or a wing car.