Blue Daytona clone for sale

[BigBlockSam]

hey

he says it was done at a dealership. does that mean it has an original nose and wing? he says the lights pop up.

whats with the latch tray?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1970-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-dealership-Clone_W0QQitemZ150311936836QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item150311936836&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

[hotrod98]

They've left the original '70 latch tray in place and cut out the daytona style latch tray so that the original latch and safety will work. The clamps on either side don't make much sense. Of course it has the ultra rare hood tach as well.
The price isn't out of line for a driver even without the plug.

[Ghoste]

He doesn't state what his evidence is of it being a dealership conversion but he apparently has no doubts about it.    The headlights pop up... manually and then he has metal tabs to hold them up until daybreak when you let them fall back down.  He describes the car fairly though and he portrays it as a driver too so pricewise, it isn't bad.

[tan top]

  intresting car !!  lot of options on the fender tag 
 

[nascarxx29]

 
http://www.hemibill.com/article/index.htm

[moparstuart]

wow that does seem like a great price ?  if the nose is steel daytona then even a better price

[BigBlockSam]

i like the car, i would rip that vinyl roof off . i like how sleek the daytona looks without the vinyl roof

[moparstuart]

looks like the buy it now is gone and the reserve is off  ?

[Ghoste]

I'm not picking the car apart or attacking the man, I'm just going to ask this question; if it was an old dealer conversion, why wouldn't they have done the whole thing and added the headlight actuators?  Could the wing have been a dealer add on and the nose came later?

[69_500]

What was the buy it now price for the car to start with?

[Ghoste]

25 or 27k?  Something like that.

[69charger2002]

it was 24k. pretty fair i think. 15k is a very reasonable reserve. he wanted a sure sale. pretty god considering most 68-70's on ebay are 50-100k dreamers

[hemigeno]

I'm not picking the car apart or attacking the man, I'm just going to ask this question; if it was an old dealer conversion, why wouldn't they have done the whole thing and added the headlight actuators?  Could the wing have been a dealer add on and the nose came later?

Ghoste,

I'll take your logic one step further... Would any dealership take on the legal liability of sending a car out the door that did not have functioning headlights (without getting out of the car to take the covers off, that is)??

My guess is that whole story is a bunch of bunk.  Makes for a good sales pitch though, I suppose.

[Daytona2Be]

I asked the owner about the various "daytona" pieces and this is the answer I got:
"nose is fiberglass over steel supports. wing is also fiberglass over metal frame/core. i purchased from Ted Janak when i decided to restore the car as a dealership clone. parts are solid - extremely well mounted and i have had the car to 130 MPH for long periods to test the wing pitch settings... no wiggle or strain on the quarters or fenders... all very tight and high confidence fit."

Kind of makes the dealership clone thing even more fishy.

[tan top]

hello & welcome (Daytona to be)   
intresting info 

[Daytona2Be]

Thanks, I've been lurking for a long, long time. Great site, I've been sucking up information for a Daytona clone project I have waiting in the corner of the shop.  I've just started collecting parts, got a 70 charger currently with a 440 that I plan to use.

[pettybird]

I asked the owner about the various "daytona" pieces and this is the answer I got:
"nose is fiberglass over steel supports. wing is also fiberglass over metal frame/core. i purchased from Ted Janak when i decided to restore the car as a dealership clone. parts are solid - extremely well mounted and i have had the car to 130 MPH for long periods to test the wing pitch settings... no wiggle or strain on the quarters or fenders... all very tight and high confidence fit."

Kind of makes the dealership clone thing even more fishy.

Holy crap!  that's a totally different story than I got!

I wasn't going to post this, but I hate it when people don't stick to their stories!


"doug,

this is the tricky part - separating documented fact from speculation.

the nose and wing are fiberglass - which is what the racing cars wore. metal was too difficult to repair from race to race. vendors/shops had been making replacement fiberglass noses and such from the first year these cars were on the tracks. there are lots of accounts of dealerships 'making' Daytonas for clients. thats what ive concluded this was. i got some phone calls early in my restoration to defend this, but no real undisputable proof. Mopar Restoration Guide published a really good series of articles about the 1970 Daytonas, and i sent all my information in to them to add to their collection. my car looks like a dealership 'made' it for a show room car, to bring in customers, then, stripped the nose and wing back off and repaired the quarters and sold it as a normal option-laden Charger SE. ive got evidence to support this, but, no proof. you can write me at '(I deleted this for his privacy)'... ill send you a phone number and share the story... but... its as flaky as so many of the old MOPAR stories.. but makes sense of the evidence too.

cheers


- doc_vogt"

[daytonalo]

Are you sure about he F/G nose on wing-car stock car ?? That is news to me

[Ghoste]

I read it as the nose AND wing.  I think it's news to most of us Larry.  Personally, I'm beggining to think the guy selling the car did a Janak conversion on his 70 Charger, sent his pictures and phony story into MCG hoping to get in a magazine and now he's selling the car with the same story still attached.  And just like that, ta-da another urban legend is born.  Two years from now the car will turn up on auction again only it'll be a genuine 70 Daytona.

[Aero426]

Are you sure about he F/G nose on wing-car stock car ?? That is news to me

There were some glass noses made by Chrysler in Huntsville early on, but nothing like that made it to the race track.    The guys story is pretty much fantasy.

[oldcarnut]

I asked him a couple questions and got this responce.  Just posting for the info.  I wonder where the metal reinforced glass is at? Did TJ use to build them that way as I don't see it in mine?  I never saw a hood tach on a mopar before but it does look like the type that would have been on my 68 Firebird.  If I didn't already have my own project waiting for work I would throw a bid in.
"the 'story' goes that this was a mocked up daytona clone done by a dealership near st louis. Daytonas brought in lots of customers, but didnt actually sell well, so in the second year, the dealers bolted noses and wings on chargers, but just for 'looks' on the show room floor. i found mounting brackets and holes for the nose and wing when i bought this car (thats the evidence i mention), and i made calls and pieced together some history. this car has nose and wing of metal reinforced fiberglass. solid, rugged stuff. fiberglass is what nearly all the 'racer' daytonas actually ran. read the history to confirm this. the show room cars were changed as little as possible, so no welding, as the parts were to be removed before actual sale again. the wing fin/uprights bolt through the strong part of the upper quarters and are sandwiched to the quarters with a reinforcing plate beneath. this is how all daytonas were built. factory build daytonas have additional metal support brackets running from the inner top of the quarters to the trunk floor. i have these, and they go with the car, but im convinced its wrong to install them on this car, and, they are really NOT needed. you can grab the fins and yank HARD side to side and pull the entire car tail without any deflection of the body metal. youll be convinced once you see. i have had car to 130+ (often) and no vibration of the tail at all. but, the car does come with the braces if someone wishes to install."

[moparstuart]

wow how many storied does this guy have      it's cheap enought it will sell it's self stop the BS   

[nakita7]

Anyone of us, who knows Mopars even remotely, would know it's not a dealership 'conversion' as it would have had the rear window done, they would not be fiberglass parts, the headlights would be working and legal and it would most likely have been a 69 not a 70 SE, but anyway...it's just a clone project with no history, that's all.

[nascarxx29]

Spotted this 70 replica daytona for sale
http://www.racingjunk.com/post/1360213/70-Dodge-Daytona-clone-440-automatic.html

[Beep Beep Dave]

What a clown Thanks for the laughs guys

Dave