AWESOME '70 HEMI RT/SE Charger on EBay!

[bzabodyn]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1-of-16-known-to-exist_W0QQitemZ190265807011QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item190265807011&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[PocketThunder]

Current bid $180,000!!! Are you firetrucking kidding me!   Either i am way behind in '70 hemi Charger value or.... '70 hemi Chargers are worth a whole lot more than i thought,...

[hemigeno]

That's Dirk B.'s car - just finished an 8 year restoration.  Some of the details on that car (and the NOS parts made of pure unobtanium he found/installed) are absolutely incredible.

1970 Hi-Impact 4-speed HemiCharger RT/SE's are pretty few and far between, and that is one of the better examples in captivity.  Period.  Dirk was talking about bringing it out to some of the major shows next year if the car doesn't find a new owner between now and then.  I want to spend some serious time checking that car out in person if at all possible.

[hemi-hampton]

Looks like a pretty nice high quality resto, Price doesn't surprise me. LEON.

[1969chargerrtse]

40 years later and still looking good.

[Ghoste]

Only the very best and rarest will continue to bring that kind of money in these times.  The question is, if it sells how many people with a 70 Charger sporting a 318 and rust holes the size of small dogs will think their swamp project must still be worth at least 40k?

[Chris G.]

The question is, if it sells how many people with a 70 Charger sporting a 318 and rust holes the size of small dogs will think their swamp project must still be worth at least 40k?

No matter what, people will always think their car is worth a nice chunk of change. How many ebay cars these days actually hit reserve? People are still living like it's 3 or 4 years ago when stuff was selling for bigger money. The average Charger price has leveled off (or went even lower)...buyers have always known, it's the sellers who need convincing. 

As for the Hemi Charger? What can you say. It's a super rare car and as everyone knows, the '70 Hemi Charger is next in line behind the Daytona as far as worth and desireability. 

[Ghoste]

And rightfully, people should always ask more than they think their object for sale, whatever it may be, is anyway.  As for the 70 Charger being number 2 behind Daytona's well, perhaps in some circles. 

[hemi68charger]

Wow !!!  That thing is awesome..................

[Hemidoug]

As for the Hemi Charger? What can you say. It's a super rare car and as everyone knows, the '69 Hemi Charger is next in line behind the 69 Daytona as far as worth and desireability. 

There...that's better.....

[Dodge Don]

We've tracked the sale of 20 70 Hemi cars so far. 6 needed restoration that went for between $55k - $84k.....the other 14 which were all top end restos averaged $150k with the highest $235k and 7 of them went for over $165k.

[hemi68charger]

OK, I'll chime in for the '68 crowd..............  '68 Hemi Charger R/T's rule !!!!!


  << closet '69 Hemi Charger R/T lover.... 

[472 R/T SE]

Radiator support blacked out...check
No HEMI decal on the air cleaner lid...check
Power booster & master cylinder painted black together as a unit...check

Just a few things that may be minor, but so many high dollar restos skip the rad. support.  Even the uneven primer, color and undercoating being correct instead of just all color.  I'm sure some people may have their opinions of what's correct as the white ecs Challenger proves that, but from the pix I see this car's done right.

My hat's off to you, Mr. Dirk B. (EV2HEMISE), outstanding job.    I should have offered my services to get your pix up @ the Registry. 

1970 HEMI Charger R/T SE's ROCK!!! 

[68charger383]

 No matter what, people will always think their car is worth a nice chunk of change. How many ebay cars these days actually hit reserve?
everyone knows, the '70 Hemi Charger is next in line behind the Daytona as far as worth and desireability. 
[/quote]

So far it is only one buyer...I guess people aren't willing to screw around to test reserve when the price is that high. As far a desirability, I'd have to agree with the great words of wisdom already stated -68s rock! 

[UFO]

We've tracked the sale of 20 70 Hemi cars so far. 6 needed restoration that went for between $55k - $84k.....the other 14 which were all top end restos averaged $150k with the highest $235k and 7 of them went for over $165k.

How many of those were plum crazy R/T S/E's?

[Chris G.]

How many of those were plum crazy R/T S/E's?

Zero

[tan top]

   real nice charger    ,  at the risk of sounding
stupid   ..     whats this , i have arrowed in the picture !!  ?     
  .....  i know what it looks like but on a floor shift car  ??

[Rolling_Thunder]

steering interlock - it locks the transmission in reverse i believe until the key is turned

[tan top]

steering interlock - it locks the transmission in reverse i believe until the key is turned

  thanks dude ......  never  new about this before   

[hemi68charger]

steering interlock - it locks the transmission in reverse i believe until the key is turned

  thanks dude ......  never new about this before   

'70 and up thing.. Our '69's and earlier don't have 'em......

T

[Sublime/Sixpack]

That is a nice restoration! Did anyone notice the style of exhaust clamp on the chrome exhaust tip? I'm impressed.

[Hemidoug]

steering interlock - it locks the transmission in reverse i believe until the key is turned

  thanks dude ......  never new about this before   

'70 and up thing.. Our '69's and earlier don't have 'em......

T

I think it's a 70 only thing....my 71 doesn't have one....

[hemi68charger]

steering interlock - it locks the transmission in reverse i believe until the key is turned

  thanks dude ......  never new about this before   

'70 and up thing.. Our '69's and earlier don't have 'em......

T

I think it's a 70 only thing....my 71 doesn't have one....

Doug, as usual, you're right again....... The '71's had the locking mechanism for the key on the steering column.. Man, I've been away from Whitey way too long......... I still miss her........

[hemi-hampton]

I did notice one common made mistake seen on most resto's though   LEON.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

That is a nice restoration! Did anyone notice the style of exhaust clamp on the chrome exhaust tip? I'm impressed.

Thats the correct "Q" clamp no?

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I did notice one common made mistake seen on most resto's though   LEON.

Please disclose....

[Ghoste]

Yes, that's the only way to start making it not "common".

[tan top]

I did notice one common made mistake seen on most resto's though   LEON.

penta star missing from lower fender ?  master cylinder  top the  wrong color , always thought  it  should be cadmium plated yellowish gold ! for a Drum master cylinder  ........

[hemi68charger]

I did notice one common made mistake seen on most resto's though   LEON.

Steering gear box? Isn't it natural, not black?

[hemi-hampton]

I noticed 3 other mistakes not previously mentioned but dont want to nit pick at a nice car. LEON.

P.S. I think the undercoat a little heavy for non J55 car.

[Back N Black]

For someone to pay that kind of money for digits stamped on a car is beyond me? you can have the EXACT same car for a fraction of the price. I guess its like overpaid Baseball players.   

[Ghoste]

Without the digits, it isn't really "exactly" the same though.

[Back N Black]

Without the digits, it isn't really "exactly" the same though.

If the numbers are not an issue, it is the same in every respect if done right. Ok, what i'm trying to say is i'm not a numbers guy, thats why i will never pay money just for a VIN. Again my 

[hemi-hampton]

BUT, Some people are #'s guys.

[Dodge Don]

Your choice....you can have an actual diamond or you can have cubic zirconia. To the average joe they are "exactly" the same, however too people who actually pay top dollar they are obviously different.

[Back N Black]

Your choice....you can have an actual diamond or you can have cubic zirconia. To the average joe they are "exactly" the same, however too people who actually pay top dollar they are obviously different.

I guess i'm the average joe, and there is nothing wrong with that. I got my wife cubic zirconia and she thinks its a diamond.

[Ghoste]

To a certain degree, its all in the definition.  My budget means that I am unlikely to be purchasing a numbers Hemi car anytime soon.  However, cloning a Hemi car is within my abilities.  For me though, no matter how well it's done, a clone is a clone is a clone and I would never be able to consider it as being the "exact same car".  An exact replica perhaps, but never the same.  The fact that one was built by Chrysler and they stamped and sold it as an original Hemi car means something, to me.
I do understand what you are saying about paying big money for numbers but if you had so much money that the finest Hemi survivor price was inconsequential to you, would you buy the real car, or the replica?

[Back N Black]

To a certain degree, its all in the definition.  My budget means that I am unlikely to be purchasing a numbers Hemi car anytime soon.  However, cloning a Hemi car is within my abilities.  For me though, no matter how well it's done, a clone is a clone is a clone and I would never be able to consider it as being the "exact same car".  An exact replica perhaps, but never the same.  The fact that one was built by Chrysler and they stamped and sold it as an original Hemi car means something, to me.
I do understand what you are saying about paying big money for numbers but if you had so much money that the finest Hemi survivor price was inconsequential to you, would you buy the real car, or the replica?

I agree with what your saying, "An exact replica" bad choice of words on my part. I started out with a 69 318 car and a 69 R/T.
The 318 car was rock solid, original floors, rear valance,tail panel,still has the original trunk extensions,fenders,doors all solid.
The R/T required floors (front and back), doors, quarters,tailpanel, valance. required frame work. So, i took all the parts i needed of the R/T and rebuilt the 318 car. It was the most economical choice and i did not think twice about doing it.

[472 R/T SE]

It's not often you see a power drum car in a HEMI.  I think that's why there's questioning over why the master cylinder is black.  At least in '70, the Bendix booster is always painted.
Now the booster not used for HEMI's is yellow zinc along with the mc natural, yellow cap.  Like I done my blue car.




My steering gear box had traces of black where it was bolted to the K frame.

Again, this is a high quality restoration and if there's any question to something's appearance I'd imagine there's a reason.  Just like Dave Walden's Challenger, there will always be questions.

Hopefully Dirk will chime in.   

[PocketThunder]

Your choice....you can have an actual diamond or you can have cubic zirconia. To the average joe they are "exactly" the same, however too people who actually pay top dollar they are obviously different.

I guess i'm the average joe, and there is nothing wrong with that. I got my wife cubic zirconia and she thinks its a diamond.

where were you guys when i was ring shopping !!!!         

[70426rtse]

Hello fellow Charger enthusiasts 
I thought I should chime in since the topic is about my car. There seems to be some discussion about the undercoating on it. It was a fully undercoated car - code J55. It says so right on the buildsheet. The J55 package also comes with the hood pad. I had the "pleasure" of removing all the original UC myself. There is also mention of my black painted master. Hemi cars with power brakes used the bendix style booster only. Those were painted as a complete assembly with the rear brackets and master already bolted on (didn't matter if it was a disc or drum master). I still have the original master and it has black paint on it. 70 Cars with the Midland (plated yellow zinc) had the natural masters as shown on the blue Charger above. A picture was posted of my steering column asking about the lever for the lockout linkage. Did anyone happen to notice the yellow zinc palting on it? Just the way its supposed to be (bare steel tube with lever spot welded on AFTER plating). Not a lot of fun to do on such a small detail.
Do I expect to sell the car on Ebay?  No, but it sure is a great way to let the world see 24 pictures of your car letting them know it is available. It is typical for a high $ car to not sell on Ebay, but rather work out a deal with someone who is interested after the auction is over. I'm looking for a buyer who wants, and can afford, a real diamond and not a zirconia - someone who wants a REAL, rare, #'s matching Hemi car. When was the last time you saw a Hi-impact colored 70 Charger Hemi 4speed with it's #'s motor and how much did it sell for?
Dirk

[70426rtse]

Buildsheet

[tan top]

    hello Dirk ... real nice Charger you have there dude  ...
 

[hemi68charger]

...
Do I expect to sell the car on Ebay?  No, but it sure is a great way to let the world see 24 pictures of your car letting them know it is available...

That's exactly what I did with my '68 Hemi... I'll do it again once it's on the ground under her own feet...

Dirk, did the steering box come black? As time gets closer, the gearbox will be one of my projects... I've seen them natural as well.......  Nice '70 with a great pedigree...

Troy

[Spike]

Awesome car and good luck getting what you want for it 

[70426rtse]

Tan top....Thanks!

Troy, Yes the steering box was black. You can usually find traces of paint under the mounting points. A manual box would be natural. The steering arm is installed after painting. I use black enamel and then add a tinge of flattening agent for a 95% gloss look. Straight out of the can it's just too shiney IMO, afterall it is formulated for body exteriors. I remember you had done some postings on rear shackles. The ones you see on my car are a pair of NOS ones I bought from my local dealer back in the 90s just before the went NS1. So glad I kept them all these years. The new ones from Mopar just do not look right. A better choice is some that Badalson sells. His look correct , but have a finer thread stud/nut which is not too noticable once installed.

[hemi-hampton]

Dirk, Nice car, Just assumed not j55 car since I did not see it on fender tag. I just restored a j55 car that did have it on tag but a (A) Lynch road built car. I also noticed this car I did had the tape for seats bolt holes inside of the car & not on underside, I see yours on underside, If yours was originally done this way then I guess the factory did it both ways, either top or bottom? Very nice job on the resto LEON.

[70426rtse]

Leon, Thanks! Most undercoating cars I have seen have the tape on the bottom side. Weird size too.... 1 1/4 wide. When it comes to analizing these cars for correctness you really have to take note of where and when they were built. Lynch road cars have tons of minute things different than St. Louis car. Here's one of them I've noticed. LR cars= westinghouse headlamps. STL cars= GE headlamps. LR cars= no date code on radiator brackets when STL do. Don't take these as the gospel, but just what I have noticed. Then there is the late build vs. early build. My Charger (11-17) had SEMS for fender bolts, my parts car (late) had LG for fender bolts. I did a Superbird (Lynch Road) a few years ago and that had ELH fender bolts and a lot of the anchor head bolts for other fasteners.

[Big Lebowski]

Hello fellow Charger enthusiasts 
I had the "pleasure" of removing all the original UC myself.

   I know how much fun that is. We had the bottom of our '70 Roadrunner project as shiny as a DeLorean.

[njsteve]

We've tracked the sale of 20 70 Hemi cars so far. 6 needed restoration that went for between $55k - $84k.....the other 14 which were all top end restos averaged $150k with the highest $235k and 7 of them went for over $165k.

How many of those were plum crazy R/T S/E's?

Here's the color breakdown of the 16 Hemi R/T-SE cars that I am aware of:

1970 HEMI CHARGER R/T-SE with Automatic trans:

tan w/ tan interior
black w/ charcoal interior
orange w/ charcoal interior
yellow w/ charcoal interior
green w/ green interior
blue w/ charcoal interior (Canadian car)

1970 HEMI CHARGER R/T-SE with four speed:

red w/ charcoal interior (mine)
orange w/ tan interior
orange w/ charcoal interior
orange w/ charcoal interior
dark green w/ charcoal interior
green w/ tan interior
limelight w/ charcoal interior
yellow w/ charcoal interior
yellow w/ tan interior
tan w/ tan interior


No FC-7 cars that I have heard of in the past few decades. It would be an awesome looking car though - that's my favorite Mopar color!

[472 R/T SE]

My buddy Kori Alexander has a buddy who supposedly has a fc7 R code R/T SE.  At least he told me he had a real one of my car at a show in Seattle.  I'll ask Kori more about it, didn't know it wasn't accounted for.

[njsteve]

That would be a new one. All the cars on my list above have been identified through verification of the A47 "SE" package on broadcast sheets, original fender tags, in person ID's, etc. If you can get a photo of the fender tag or broadcast that would be great.

[Chris G.]

My buddy Kori Alexander has a buddy who supposedly has a fc7 R code R/T SE.  At least he told me he had a real one of my car at a show in Seattle.  I'll ask Kori more about it, didn't know it wasn't accounted for.

Mike, I have heard of at least 1 FC7 Hemi SE from Canada that was cut up back in the 80's. We have tag info from it, but from what I was told, that car is long gone. Maybe that's the same car Kori mentioned?

We have only 6 confirmed Hemi SE Chargers registered. Steve (and Galen) have a higher number than we do, but we'll keep pluggin away and hopefully get all 16 on record. 

[hemi-hampton]

My Favorite would be a 70 Hemi RT/SE in FM3 Panther Pink (a.k.a. moulin rouge) I'd like to make a clone of that car. Now if the model car companies came out with a Panther pink example of this car I'm sure owner #17 would suddenly come out of woodwork saying they did his car? LEON.

P.S. No insult intended

[73TXRallye440]

nice!!!!

[njsteve]

My buddy Kori Alexander has a buddy who supposedly has a fc7 R code R/T SE.  At least he told me he had a real one of my car at a show in Seattle.  I'll ask Kori more about it, didn't know it wasn't accounted for.

Mike, I have heard of at least 1 FC7 Hemi SE from Canada that was cut up back in the 80's. We have tag info from it, but from what I was told, that car is long gone. Maybe that's the same car Kori mentioned?

We have only 6 confirmed Hemi SE Chargers registered. Steve (and Galen) have a higher number than we do, but we'll keep pluggin away and hopefully get all 16 on record. 

I remember hearing about that FC7 car on other threads in the past but no hard evidence (a photo, or broadcast/fendertag info) has surfaced to confirm it. Chris if you have that FC7 car fender tag info, I'd be happy to up the number to 17. You can PM me the details if you want.

I don't have much data from the other cars like VINs or anything, just a few photos here and there and info from a discussion with Galen a few years back. At the time I was having him update my car in his registry, and he gave me the total number and colors from cars he had data from. (at the time we were at 14 cars, but then a couple showed up on ebay with good photos in recent years. The original owner, unrestored F8 green on green one comes to mind, that was a no-sale on ebay 2+ years ago.