Who put a dakota 318 into their Charger?

[PocketThunder]

Who was the guy on here that pulled a fuel injected 318 out of a Dakota and put it into their Charger? 

I'm thinking about doing the same and would like to contact this person to find out more about it.

thanks
Paul

[Charger_Fan]

I'm pretty sure that was someone Todd Wilson knows. Blue Charger, right?

[694spdRT]

Is it a Magnum or the older LA engine?

I would suggest pulling the fuel injection and getting a 4 bbl manifold and carb along with a electronic igintion kit. Otherwise you will have to upgrade your fuel system and then the compluter issue, not impossible but more difficult.

[Todd Wilson]

http://www.chargerfever.com/70360/index.html

[hotrod98]

I installed a 5.9 liter fi motor and A518 o/d tranny from a 95 dodge truck into my wife's 73 cuda. I used the engine, tranny, cruise control, o/h console, horns, computer and wiring harness. The car starts instantly, runs like a bat out of hell and gets 25 mpg. I added a sump to the fuel tank, used a mallory fuel pump and regulator and modified the trans crossmember. I had the drive shaft shortened and installed dual electric fans for the radiator. We drove the car 500 miles on it's maiden voyage with no problems.

[694spdRT]

I installed a 5.9 liter fi motor and A518 o/d tranny from a 95 dodge truck into my wife's 73 cuda. I used the engine, tranny, cruise control, o/h console, horns, computer and wiring harness. The car starts instantly, runs like a bat out of hell and gets 25 mpg. I added a sump to the fuel tank, used a mallory fuel pump and regulator and modified the trans crossmember. I had the drive shaft shortened and installed dual electric fans for the radiator. We drove the car 500 miles on it's maiden voyage with no problems.

Hotrod,

Sounds like a great setup for a reliable driver. Is the computer and the related harness self contained or does it involve complicated splicing into the cars electrical system? I was insterested in this swap in my Challenger but, worried about wiring complications. I know there is a guy over at Cuda-Challenger that used a Ford Mass Air system which involves modifying a Ford distributor to work, among other things. I thought of trying that but, realistically a 250 horse 360 Magnum is enough power right now. 

Thanks

Sorry if this Hi jacks your thread Pocket but, the info might help you too.

[Charger_Fan]

There's Todd with the linky.

Man, that's sure a nice looking swap.

[PocketThunder]

Sorry if this Hi jacks your thread Pocket but, the info might help you too.

No problem at all!

Any information is appreciated.  I plan on driving this car to work every day in the summers, so 25 mpg would be a big help!

[ACUDANUT]

  Man I want to hire someone to do this to my car.  Who would want to do this swap if you can't keep the fuel Injection.  Heck that's the whole idea behind such a swap if you ask me.

[694spdRT]

  Man I want to hire someone to do this to my car.   Who would want to do this swap if you can't keep the fuel Injection.   Heck that's the whole idea behind such a swap if you ask me.

Not really, the Magnum has superior head flow and a 4 bbl will make more power than the stock barrel intake. The modifications are very limited with the factory computer also.

[Smoke20]

I agree. Plus the barrel intake is prone to having the plenum gasket leak. I had the 5.2L Magnum in a 97 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and all the Jeep guys were changing the barrel intake for the M1 set up.

[Todd Wilson]

You can get an M1 intake and use your throttle body on it. Theres plenty of speed parts out there for Magnums and their computers. The truck guys are doing lots with the new 360 Magnums. Cams,pistons and various intake and bigger throttle bodys are out there. In some ways its easier because the computer is setup and also learns what it has and what the weather is doing and tunes the truck.


If someone wanted to build a serious daily driver this setup would be perfect along with a 4 wheel disk brake setup.



Todd

[694spdRT]

You can get an M1 intake and use your throttle body on it. Theres plenty of speed parts out there for Magnums and their computers. The truck guys are doing lots with the new 360 Magnums. Cams,pistons and various intake and bigger throttle bodys are out there. In some ways its easier because the computer is setup and also learns what it has and what the weather is doing and tunes the truck.


If someone wanted to build a serious daily driver this setup would be perfect along with a 4 wheel disk brake setup.



Todd

Really, I have heard the factory computers don't like much change. That is why the guy converted over to the mass air Ford system. Regardless, for a driver it will work fine. Do you know if it is a plug and go deal with the harness or is there some fabricating to get the thing running in an older car? Just talking the wiring here, I understand the fuel upgrades are neccessary.

Thanks

[hotrod98]

The way I understand it is the 95 and prior computers are not programmable at all. You have to use the 96 up style computers if you want to modify them. Since the trans has a speed sensor, you can either use an electronic speedo from ProComp or buy an Abbott cable X box which I still haven't been able to get working correctly. May have a bad box.
To make the swap easier, Street and Performance makes a 3 wire hookup harness for the conversion. We love our 5.9 setup  and haven't had any problems. I have no plans to change the performance since it runs just fine and I don't want to risk screwing up the good mileage thing.

[Todd Wilson]

I talked with the guy who did the 70. His dad and him did the work. He said on the 70 Charger is all bolted in and then you had to Figure out the wires from the old school to the new school. I would assume you would want the engine wiring harness from the truck as everything from the computer will go to the sensors.  He said the only problem he has is the electric fuel pump in extremely hot weather.

I dont know the specifics on the computers and years but in 95 they had a stock pcm and a hi performance pcm. These computers could also be flashed with the latest info for running.

The guy with the 70 had the box that took the speed signal  from the tranny and spun the speedo cable. Had dipswitch settings for gear ratio and tire size from what I understand and this allowed him to use his old original speedometer.




He said at the time they were junk yard hunting an engine/tranny combo   the new Hemi's were very expensive but would work and the V6 setup was too high and they didnt think it would fit into the 70 going by the measurements that they took. So the 360 setup was the best way to go.  I just got a flyer from Mancini in the mail a few days ago and they appear to be selling the new Hemi engines and motor mounts and headers to fit into the old B and E body Mopars.

Here is a link for those to view what is out there.

http://www.krcperformance.com/newcontent/home.html



Todd

[PocketThunder]

Back from the dead.... this thread.....


Has anyone worked on putting a 5.7 Hemi into a B or A body?  My friend has a 67 Dart that he would like to do this with and we are trying to put a shopping list together.

thanks 

[ChargerSG]

I have tryed it. But there was expensive and i had to cut to much up(i had a Durango 5.7L+tranny, you dont get same problem with the 727 smallblock) and the electrical was no walk in the park(i wanted the milage option as it is in the durango, tti harness is more power and easyier but cost) and so on If you are a good mechanic there is no problem.

I can answear all i know

[Steve P.]

Just judging from the Hemi hanging on the cherry picker I can see a few problems right off. The oil pan is first. The pan would have to be modified along with the pick up to be a center sump unless you go more big buck and add an ALTER-K-TION to the list of goodies.  Next is the tranny cross over mount.  I think it would be fun though..



I would rather do this in a 91 Lebaron and make it rear wheel drive while I'm at it...   

[70charginglizard]

You guys better just say away from my 98 5.2L V8 4 X 4 Dakota.

Thats all I can say about this post!