Best oil to use? Best spark plug to use?

[73TXRallye440]

Engine is a mild 430hp 440ci motor. What oil do you suggest? What spark plug and wires?

[BronzeOnSteelies]

If you have a flat tappet cam check out this thread on the board about oil selection.

www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,46015.msg539654.html#msg539654

There is a table at the end of the first page that indicates that the Penzoil GT and the Royal Purple Racing have enough zinc and phosphorus in them without using an additive.

Mark

[Spike]

My preference

Oil- Amsoil

Plugs- NGK

Wires- http://www.customwiresets.com/

[Ghoste]

I like Valvoline and Champion. 

[suntech]

I like Valvoline oil, and NGK and Denso Plugs

[1969chargerrtse]

Engine is a mild 430hp 440ci motor. What oil do you suggest? What spark plug and wires?

I use the VR1 Valvoline racing oil it has zinc in it and some parts stores carry it.  Love AC plugs always have good luck with them.  Champion plugs failed on everthing from my lawn mower to big block motors.

[firefighter3931]

NGK for plugs
Valvoline vr-1 racing oil + eos additive & wix/Napa gold oil filters
Firecore wires....topshelf quality and construction


Ron

[resq302]

Ron,

Even WITH the VR1 race oil, you still need to add the bottle of EOS?  I know it doesn't hurt anything by adding it, but is it necessary?

[firefighter3931]

Ron,

Even WITH the VR1 race oil, you still need to add the bottle of EOS?  I know it doesn't hurt anything by adding it, but is it necessary?

Brian, i run EOS in everything with a flat tappet cam....not worth taking a chance. 


Ron

[HKCharger]

NGK for plugs
Valvoline vr-1 racing oil + eos additive & wix/Napa gold oil filters
Firecore wires....topshelf quality and construction


Ron

Ron, where do you buy all 3 of the above you mentioned? One online retailer? What EXACT NGK spark plugs for a 440?

[HKCharger]

Ron,

Even WITH the VR1 race oil, you still need to add the bottle of EOS?  I know it doesn't hurt anything by adding it, but is it necessary?

I have googled EOS and cant find it for sale. What is another description for it?

[HKCharger]

Here is what JEGS offers, which VR1 do I need for a 74 440?


Valvoline Racing VV205
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 10W30 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV205
Only $4.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV211
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 20W50 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV211
Only $4.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV851
Racing Conventional Motor Oil 20W50 Weight
Item# 949-VV851
Only $9.99
Valvoline Racing VV223
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 30 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV223
Only $4.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV850
Racing Conventional Motor Oil 10W30 Weight
Item# 949-VV850
Only $9.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV235
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 50 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV235
Only $4.99
Valvoline Racing VV855
Racing Synthetic Motor Oil 20W50 Weight
Item# 949-VV855
Only $11.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV854
Racing Synthetic Motor Oil 10W30 Weight
Item# 949-VV854
Only $11.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV229
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 40 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV229
Only $4.99
Valvoline Racing VV852
Racing Conventional Motor Oil 50 Weight
Item# 949-VV852
Only $9.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV831
High Performance Gear Oil 80W90 Weight
Item# 949-VV831
Only $6.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV853
Racing Synthetic Motor Oil 5W30 Weight
Item# 949-VV853
Only $11.99
Valvoline Racing VV360
Valvoline Mercon V Auto Trans Fluid Synthetic 1 quart
Item# 949-VV360
Only $7.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV241
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 60 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV241
Only $4.99
   
Valvoline Racing VV825
High Performance Gear Oil 80W140 Weight
Item# 949-VV825
Only $6.99

[HKCharger]

Also, what is the part # of the NAPA GOLD OIL FILTER? looking online and cant find it- thanks.

[73TXRallye440]

just ordered the NGK's thanks.

[firefighter3931]

Here is what JEGS offers, which VR1 do I need for a 74 440?


   
Valvoline Racing VV211
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 20W50 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV211
Only $4.99
   

This is the oil i use....good stuff ! 


Ron

[resq302]

Ron,

How much power would get robbed from using a thick oil like the 20w50 vs. the 10w30 or 10w40?  I myself use the VR1 20w50 but have been told many a times that it is too thick and I am robbing myself of power.

[Ghoste]

It's true on the Super Stock level but for the average street car I wouldn't worry about it.

[firefighter3931]

  with Ghoste....not enough parasitic loss to be concerned about. Oil Pressure is a life saver when you're sitting in traffic and the engine heats up. 

Race guys pull up to the line, burnout, stage, make a pass then sit in the pits and cool down....the oil never really gets heated up as much as your typical street driven cruiser/hotrod. 



Ron

[resq302]

ah, ok.  So then 20W50 it is.  The only downfall I see is that the oil gets REALLY thick in the cold.  Dads el camino and moms chally vert sit outside in one of those portable Cover-it garages.  When he starts it up in the winter, I am concerned that the oil might be too thick and not start moving immediately causing premature wear on the engine.  Any thoughts on this?

[Ghoste]

My first thought is get them in a proper garage but I know they'd be there already if that were feasible.  Perhaps a block heater or a portable space heater placed in front of the car for a short while prior to starting?  How cold does it get where you live?

[Dans 68]

Brad Penn 20-50W, Napa Gold (# 1515) oil filter, NGK plugs. 

Dan

[68RT4ME]

NGK for plugs
Valvoline vr-1 racing oil + eos additive & wix/Napa gold oil filters
Firecore wires....topshelf quality and construction


Ron

Ron, I changed my oil to the Valvoline V-1 20W50 as you commend here over the weekend. I could not find the EOS additive you speak of and was wondering where to get it/order it and if it is needed when  running Comp Cams roller rockers as I do in my 440? Also, What part number is it for the NGK plugs and do you know if they come in the short variety in order to install them around my headers?

[y3chargerrt]

Your local GM dealer should carry EOS.

[firefighter3931]

NGK for plugs
Valvoline vr-1 racing oil + eos additive & wix/Napa gold oil filters
Firecore wires....topshelf quality and construction


Ron

Ron, I changed my oil to the Valvoline V-1 20W50 as you commend here over the weekend. I could not find the EOS additive you speak of and was wondering where to get it/order it and if it is needed when  running Comp Cams roller rockers as I do in my 440? Also, What part number is it for the NGK plugs and do you know if they come in the short variety in order to install them around my headers?

As mentioned by the previous poster....EOS is avilable at your local GM dealer parts counter. You can also use Comp Cams breakin lube or ZZDP+

I like the NGK XR5 plugs when using pump gas compression and factory Iron heads. These are std. dimension plugs, FYI

http://www.glowplugs.com/more_info.asp?AAIA=&pid=2552


Ron

[G Force]

I am trying to understand some of the terminology;

Comp cam and roller rockers have nothing to do with flat tappets....Is this correct?

When we talk about flat tappets we are referring to the Lifters, weather hydraulic or solid.......Is this correct?

So the only time you would NOT need additives added to your oil is when you have roller lifters... is this correct?

[Ghoste]

That is correct.

[firefighter3931]

NGK for plugs
Valvoline vr-1 racing oil + eos additive & wix/Napa gold oil filters
Firecore wires....topshelf quality and construction


Ron

Ron, I changed my oil to the Valvoline V-1 20W50 as you commend here over the weekend. I could not find the EOS additive you speak of and was wondering where to get it/order it and if it is needed when  running Comp Cams roller rockers as I do in my 440? Also, What part number is it for the NGK plugs and do you know if they come in the short variety in order to install them around my headers?

As mentioned by the previous poster....EOS is avilable at your local GM dealer parts counter. You can also use Comp Cams breakin lube or ZZDP+

I like the NGK XR5 plugs when using pump gas compression and factory Iron heads. These are std. dimension plugs, FYI

http://www.glowplugs.com/more_info.asp?AAIA=&pid=2552


Ron

Andy, i went and looked at your website (nice car  ) and realized that you are running a set of Eddy RPM heads....you didn't mention that when asking for a plug recommendation. 

The XR5's are a 13/16 plug for stock heads and you need a 5/8 plug for alum heads. 

The correct NGK plug for your application is the BCPR-6ES

http://www.glowplugs.com/more_info.asp?AAIA=&pid=2853



Ron

[68RT4ME]

Thanks Ron. I meant to tell you that but read you figured it out. I appreciate the nice comments and your help here as we always do. Thanks for taking the time.

[firefighter3931]

Thanks Ron. I meant to tell you that but read you figured it out. I appreciate the nice comments and your help here as we always do. Thanks for taking the time.

You're welcome Andy 

I don't know what Cam you have in your engine but if it's a flat tappet (hydralic or solid) the EP additive is cheap insurance. The added protection won't hurt any other stress points in the valvetrain either. Rocker arms, valve tips and pushrods are all under tremendous loads so it's important to have a good lubrication package with lots of Exteme Pressure additives to prevent premature wear or even worse, failure of those components. 


When you get a chance, send some warm air from Fla up to Canada, will ya ! 



Ron

[68beepbeep]

Napa~oil filter

Autolite~ plugs

Oil~I buy it in 5 gallon containers, has paraffin wax

[rav440]

are these oil filters good or bad ? when the 440 is all said and done it should be a little over 400 horse power . 



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