WARNING - 70 Charger auction on EBAY not legitimate

Dodge Don · October 06, 2008, 06:14:59 AM

There is a 70 Charger XH base model currently on EBAY. The auction is not legitimate. The 70 Charger Registry knows that this car was recently in an accident. The pictures in the auction are from BEFORE the accident. We have contacted EBAY to alert them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260295985012

Car today

Drache · October 06, 2008, 08:12:18 AM

O....M.....G.....

Hope the diver was ok! Probably wasn't after seeing what happened to their charger though....

Mopar2Ya · October 06, 2008, 08:45:35 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Damn scammers. I was watching that too.

Dodge Don · October 06, 2008, 08:48:31 AM

Quote from: Drache on October 06, 2008, 08:12:18 AM
O....M.....G.....

Hope the diver was ok! Probably wasn't after seeing what happened to their charger though....

The driver survived......he's the one selling it on EBAY!!

moparstuart · October 06, 2008, 09:08:17 AM

Quote from: Dodge Don on October 06, 2008, 08:48:31 AM
Quote from: Drache on October 06, 2008, 08:12:18 AM
O....M.....G.....

Hope the diver was ok! Probably wasn't after seeing what happened to their charger though....

The driver survived......he's the one selling it on EBAY!!

so is now the sale legit? and has the car been fixed ?

suntech · October 06, 2008, 09:08:23 AM

Wonder how he was planning of getting away with that!!!! I mean, what would he do if somebody wanted to come and see it in person, or like many people here in Europe do, have a trusted person to see it for you!!!

Ohwell.............. got caught with his pants down this time!!!

Chris G. · October 06, 2008, 09:41:04 AM

Quote from: moparstuart on October 06, 2008, 09:08:17 AM
so is now the sale legit? and has the car been fixed ?

Car is not fixed. He is registered with us, and he had that accident around June. He is telling me that the car is wrecked, but he is running an auction so his Ins. Co. can get a better value of the car....rrrrrriiiiggghttt that's the ticket. If that were the case, I will list my car and you guys can bid it up to a million. That will help me get a nice check from my company.

I feel bad for the guy, but what he's doing now is totally unacceptable.

Original thread... http://1970chargerregistry.com/70messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=5573&start=0

RECHRGD · October 06, 2008, 10:42:57 AM

Well, something goofy is going on. The high bid was a 10K a little bit ago and now a new bidder jumps in three times bidding 35K, then 55K and now up to 80K. I guess the market for these cars is really coming back in a hurry.

Bob

BigBlockSam · October 06, 2008, 10:51:52 AM

sad picture

Charger-Bodie · October 06, 2008, 11:11:37 AM

What a load of hog warts!!

80,000 get real!!

69*F5*SE · October 06, 2008, 11:21:12 AM

What a shame. The car looks like it was very nice originally. Too bad the owner/seller is off his rocker.

moparstuart · October 06, 2008, 11:46:49 AM

can you say insurance fraud

The70RT · October 06, 2008, 12:31:37 PM

only 7K now

69bronzeT5 · October 06, 2008, 01:59:16 PM

Poor thing. I hope it gets fixed.

bill440rt · October 06, 2008, 02:12:19 PM

My favorite line: "THIS VEHICLE IS PROBABLY 98% ORIGINAL."

Now, a wrecked Charger is hardly a laughing matter, but c'mon. I don't know of ANY insurance company that will take an eBay auction for face value on a vehicle. Not gonna happen.

As far as fixing the car, a BASE MODEL Charger with that kind of impact & side damage? Personally, it's toast.

royt440 · October 06, 2008, 03:18:05 PM

He's added a note that this car is not the same as the totalled car, just a duplicate that has the same license plates

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Those supper high bids aren't displaying. Does ebag remove bids that are cancelled or withdrawn. It was at 10k when I looked.

CharcoalCharger · October 06, 2008, 03:40:02 PM

Well they did quite a detailed job on the car used in the "documentary". The cars sure look to be the same one to me...even with the side moulding, triad on roof, door edge guards, etc. The only thing not the same are the wheels, and they can be easily changed. Vinyl top replaced when painted, if I'm reading the tag info he gave the car didn't come with one.

I'll have to keep an eye on this one to see what happens...

Dodge Don · October 06, 2008, 03:48:52 PM

Quote from: royt440 on October 06, 2008, 03:18:05 PM
He's added a note that this car is not the same as the totalled car, just a duplicate that has the same license plates .

That is total BS. Both Chris and I have sent him notes and he admitted exactly what he was doing. At first I thought it was annoying but somewhat harmless however now I think he is totally trying to scam someone. I have alerted EBAY again that this is fraud. I thought for sure after we called him on this that he would shut down the auction but I was wrong.

moparstuart · October 06, 2008, 03:55:06 PM

Quote from: Dodge Don on October 06, 2008, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: royt440 on October 06, 2008, 03:18:05 PM
He's added a note that this car is not the same as the totalled car, just a duplicate that has the same license plates .

That is total BS. Both Chris and I have sent him notes and he admitted exactly what he was doing. At first I thought it was annoying but somewhat harmless however now I think he is totally trying to scam someone. I have alerted EBAY again that this is fraud. I thought for sure after we called him on this that he would shut down the auction but I was wrong.

what he needed to do was get some comps that have sold or get an independent appraisal

Chris G. · October 06, 2008, 04:19:05 PM

After all is said and done, I think he is doing this for the "What it could have been worth before the wreck" scenario. He told me in his first reply that the reserve was huge so he was just fishing to see what it would have sold for before the wreck.

Still not cool how he is going about it. I have a bunch of emails from him after it happened, and there's no way in hell that there's a duplicate car. The guy has 100% feedback, I wonder why he is going at this the way he is?

ps- It was a sublime car originally. Pretty cool and rare base model Charger.

Charger_Fan · October 06, 2008, 05:26:11 PM

I'm wondering if each of those bidders has been told that they're not bidding on the car as it appears in the pics? If they were, I'd assume that each bidder would retract their bids immediately. Even more strange is the fact that eGouge has let this auction continue to live.

1969chargerrtse · October 06, 2008, 08:28:08 PM

Another example of the hard and productive work from the registry guys. Thanks Chris.

nillle · October 07, 2008, 04:37:53 AM

On Oct-06-08 at 12:10:18 PDT, seller added the following information:

some people are concerened about this car beeg totalled. we used another one identical in a documentary and used this plate to make it look original. I have the other car if anyone is interested.
_______________________________________

My first thought is..in what kinda documentary do you wreck a Charger???

Then did you notice both the wrecked car and the car in the auction has a blue motor. They sure had it all covered for that documentary...

69bronzeT5 · October 07, 2008, 01:48:32 PM

Quote from: nillle on October 07, 2008, 04:37:53 AM

My first thought is..in what kinda documentary do you wreck a Charger???

A Ford one?

What a waste.

Dodge Don · October 08, 2008, 06:33:30 PM

Well I've contacted EBAY twice now regarding this fraud and provided them with the links to the crash pictures and explained how the seller admitted what he was doing......yet nothing has been done.

The70RT · October 08, 2008, 06:42:18 PM

Quote from: Dodge Don on October 08, 2008, 06:33:30 PM
Well I've contacted EBAY twice now regarding this fraud and provided them with the links to the crash pictures and explained how the seller admitted what he was doing......yet nothing has been done.

I guess they figure they will make money if they let it run

Brock Samson · October 08, 2008, 06:45:47 PM

e-bay laid off 1,500 people yesterday... i think they're a little busy cleaning out their desks... $:-\$

Dodge Don · October 08, 2008, 07:09:27 PM

Quote from: Brock Samson on October 08, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
e-bay laid off 1,500 people yesterday... i think they're a little busy cleaning out their desks... $:-\$

Hadn't thought of that.

The70RT · October 08, 2008, 07:10:07 PM

Quote from: Brock Samson on October 08, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
e-bay laid off 1,500 people yesterday... i think they're a little busy cleaning out their desks... $:-\$

Sounds like it is time to list this old NOS Daisey BB gun from the 1960's

moparstuart · October 09, 2008, 11:07:27 AM

Quote from: The70RT on October 08, 2008, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Brock Samson on October 08, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
e-bay laid off 1,500 people yesterday... i think they're a little busy cleaning out their desks... $:-\$

Sounds like it is time to list this old NOS Daisey BB gun from the 1960's

you'll shoot your eye out ! does it have a compass in the stock ?

The70RT · October 09, 2008, 12:46:06 PM

Quote from: moparstuart on October 09, 2008, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: The70RT on October 08, 2008, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Brock Samson on October 08, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
e-bay laid off 1,500 people yesterday... i think they're a little busy cleaning out their desks... $:-\$

Sounds like it is time to list this old NOS Daisey BB gun from the 1960's
you'll shoot your eye out ! does it have a compass in the stock ?

No.

SFRT · October 09, 2008, 12:52:46 PM

im confused..is he showing pictures of a different car but actually selling the wreck? or has he patched up the wreck and is selling that?

rustafarian · October 09, 2008, 12:56:44 PM

He's not selling anything. He's fishing for an ebay value of the car based on pictures taken prior to the wreck

Drache · October 09, 2008, 12:57:47 PM

Quote from: SFRT on October 09, 2008, 12:52:46 PM
im confused..is he showing pictures of a different car but actually selling the wreck? or has he patched up the wreck and is selling that?

He has two stories. One story given to the Charger guys was that he was using the action as a means to figure out what his car was worth before it was wrecked for insurance purposes.

Yet His ebay story is that this car is a totally different car that just looks the same.

The70RT · October 09, 2008, 12:59:10 PM

You must have missed some posts. He is trying to get an idea on the value of the wrecked car for his insurance....supposedly

He actually is selling nothing. He states the wrecked one is available though.

SFRT · October 09, 2008, 01:13:00 PM

bizarre. his car is worth whatever the 'agreed' value is. if he didnt have a previous agreement they are gonna give him the low-ball NADA price at most.

my insurance company says my car is worth X, end of story. based on pictures, an appraisal and reciepts. how will an 'ebay value' be of any use to him?

Drache · October 09, 2008, 01:38:10 PM

Quote from: SFRT on October 09, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
bizarre. his car is worth whatever the 'agreed' value is. if he didnt have a previous agreement they are gonna give him the low-ball NADA price at most.

my insurance company says my car is worth X, end of story. based on pictures, an appraisal and reciepts. how will an 'ebay value' be of any use to him?

It's not it was just an excuse I believe when someone confronted him about the fact.....

472 R/T SE · October 09, 2008, 04:36:39 PM

Quote from: SFRT on October 09, 2008, 12:52:46 PM
im confused..

I'm guessin' he's hoping for just that.

It baffles me why folks with an old car don't have an agreed value w/ their insurance co. prior to this. And I say this after I just finally insured both my cars with a collector insurance outfit after 25 years of using standard insurance companies.

It's pretty telling when they actually told me I needed to insure my cars with someone else just in case.

chargerkid01 · October 09, 2008, 08:50:02 PM

check the auction now he is saying the wrecked car and the charger in the add are not the same some sort of documentary!! BULLSHIT!!!

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WARNING - 70 Charger auction on EBAY not legitimate