fake review

[Silver R/T]

bunch of bs
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1674461.html?most=printed

[ChargerBill]

If I remember correctly Popular Mechanics has been the ONLY major automotive publication to stumble over themselves praising the Creeder and kissing DCX's @r$e, and they do so without a single shred of objective criticism. ALL the other legitimate publications have had at least something negative to say about the car, if not MANY negative things to say. It's hard to trust a publication that is 100% out of sync with the populous and the other publications within it's field. Whenever someone is so blindly complimentary I find it a little suspect...something stinks here. Popular Mechanics is more than likely afraid of losing the BIG advertising dollars that DCX is shoving into it's (greased) palm. I mean c'mon, at least say something negative about it...anything...it isn't perfect by ANY stretch of the imagination, NO car is. Popular Mechanics isn't to be taken seriously on this one...but then, most of us already knew that.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

About a third of that blurb was dedicated to bashing the interior.

[Charger1970]

Who reads Popular Mechanics anyway? It's like the Weekly World News of automotive magazines.

[Orange_Crush]

Waaaah waaaah waaaaah

You guys are very entertaining.  When it gets a bad review, the writers are geniuses.  When it gets a good review, the writers are morons.

Just remember this.

The car is selling at better than projected volumes thereby justifying their decision to build a 4-door Charger.

[Plumcrazy]

Just remember this.
The car is selling at better than projected volumes thereby justifying their decision to build a 4-door Charger.

But is it selling more than what the Intrepid did in the same time frame as last year?
Don't know, just curious.

[andy74]

its not selling better than the intrepid here in new york-people are scared of the rear wheel drive,doesnt matter if you show them the esp,traction control,etc

people have been brainwashed for 20 plus years that fwd is better-and no one cares if its a charger/magnum/300,not many selling

[MichaelRW]

its not selling better than the intrepid here in new york-people are scared of the rear wheel drive,doesnt matter if you show them the esp,traction control,etc

people have been brainwashed for 20 plus years that fwd is better-and no one cares if its a charger/magnum/300,not many selling

Is that because of snow?

[Brock Samson]

 When I test drove the R/T, the Sales Manager I was talking with after the Salesman showed me their Inventory, was near to begging me to buy the damn R/T...
We had a 25 Min. convo about it and he said lots of folks came in looking for the old LHs and were leaving dissapointed...
He said they wanted to replace their 300 M, Intrepid and LHS and did not like the LXs...

Popular Mechanics is on par with Motor Trend for objectivity... 

[ChargerBill]

Fuzzy math: 1/3 = 1 sentence out of 12....hmmm...seems to me that is actually 8%

BTW: FWD cars offer better control and traction than RWD cars in the snow. I still think that MANY sales are lost due to boxy, pig-nosed, shapeless mass, Galantesque styling...I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[Brock Samson]

 someinteresting bits from around the web..

1st.
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103387

2nd.
http://sev.prnewswire.com/auto/20051019/CLW50219102005-1.html

3rd.
http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/5174008/detail.html

4th.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12957564.htm


so perhaps the day isn't too far away where the cops and the robbers will both be... oh, nevermind.. 

[ChargerBill]

Mary Connely, the woman who wrote that review, is a grammatically challenged imbecile. How many times can you say "he says" and "says" in an article? I think it even comes up 3 times in ONE paragraph...good grief!

Anyway, I'm suprized they haven't offered the 4 cylinder shut off yet...what are they thinking taking so long?

[Plumcrazy]

BTW: FWD cars offer better control and traction than RWD cars in the snow. I still think that MANY sales are lost due to boxy, pig-nosed, shapeless mass, Galantesque styling...I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

I don't think you are wrong at all.  Putting the weight over the drive wheels makes a whole lot more sense than using a lot of F.R.E.Ds (F***ing Ridiculous Electronic Devices) to compensate for the wrong weight distribution of an everyday car.

Don't get me wrong, I like rear wheel drive performance cars.  But I have been driving in the snow since 1971. I want a front wheel drive vehicle for my year round vehicle.
If Daimler doesn't build one, I will buy another brand, period!

[Headrope]

So a front wheel drive Charger would be okay, but not a four door one?

[Silver R/T]

Waaaah waaaah waaaaah

You guys are very entertaining. When it gets a bad review, the writers are geniuses. When it gets a good review, the writers are morons.

Just remember this.

The car is selling at better than projected volumes thereby justifying their decision to build a 4-door Charger.

writers will write what theyve been told to write especially when its followed by big amount of $$$

[Brock Samson]

    So what did you read there?.. to come to that opinion?..   


  (I could still use that dang decoder ring)

[TheGhost]

So, Silver, tell me, do you call anything that does not perfectly fit in with your own PERSONAL opinions a bunch of worthless BS?

[Silver R/T]

yes, is there problem with that?

[TheGhost]

yes, is there problem with that?

Wow.  How open-minded of you.....

[Ghoste]

I still wonder where all these better than expected sales volumes are going.  I've seen very few so far.  Are they all being sold in the southwest or what?

[ChargerBill]

I still wonder where all these better than expected sales volumes are going.   I've seen very few so far.   Are they all being sold in the southwest or what?

You know...I was wondering the same thing. Here in Northern California I think I've seen 6 or 8 TOTAL on the road since they started selling...and ONE in Anaheim while I was there for a week. Where are these THOUSANDS of cars?

[Shakey]

I still wonder where all these better than expected sales volumes are going.   I've seen very few so far.   Are they all being sold in the southwest or what?

You know...I was wondering the same thing. Here in Northern California I think I've seen 6 or 8 TOTAL on the road since they started selling...and ONE in Anaheim while I was there for a week. Where are these THOUSANDS of cars?

North America is quite vast!

[Blakcharger440]

Hey what better way for them to create a  "buzz" about the new stinking "charger" than to say they are selling like hotcakes! I have only seen one in my city.
They certainly dont want to say the car is a pig and even chicks wont buy it!

I certainly would not buy one.

[plum500]

Seen a few around my province, but still not enough that you don't know where to expect to see each one now and then. The black one is ususally here... usually see a silver one there... someone in this town has a silver one...etc. etc.. Saw a black one with a white hockey stick on the back yesterday... must say, my honest reaction was "yuk" with a bitter aftertaste.

Here's numbers that are on LXForums.

Looks like it's creeping up, but still nothing earth shattering. Looks like some Magnum potentials have opted for sedans. Meh...

http://www.lxforums.com/board/lx_sales.php?

[FastbackJon]

That article doesn't make sense. First the editor says...

"The latest iteration ... is obviously closely related to the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Magnum. Do we care? Nope."

And then to end it he says...

"Opening the door, however, reveals a disappointingly bland interior lifted from the Magnum station wagon. And that's a real pity in a car that fuels so many dreams."

[Brock Samson]

writers write,..  editors edit, one makes up stuff the other chop sitto pieces,.. got it?.   

[253862656971]

The thing I've noticed about rwd in the snow is they don't go into the ditch as much.  I figure there are two reasons for it.  First people who drive rwd vehicles like pickups and old cars seem to have more sense and SLOW DOWN.  The other is that I think rwd actually turns better in slippery conditions (at slower speeds).  When a fwd vehicle loses traction on the front it skids.  You can't do much about it except ride it out.  A rwd however will turn no matter what.  Stomp on the gas and the back will shoot out and you turn the corner.  I've found the gas pedal is much better in the snow than the brake.   

[Ghoste]

I think a lot of it probably depends on what you learned to drive with.  There are many who argue that once the vehicle gets moving, the fwd will lose it's traction advantage as weight is lifted from the front.
I prefer rwd, but it's what I've driven most commonly.  My wife once had an 87 Camaro that only needed the lightest dusting of snow on the ground to leave us stuck.  I've also owned (as have most of us now) a large number of fwd cars and I can't honestly say that one or the other showed a vast superiority under all conditions.

[Dodge Don]

I'm not a fan of the new pretender, however I can't speak for butt#@*& USA but I see them on the road all the time. Too often in fact. I also see hundreds of them heading south every day on car haulers.

I'm afraid they are selling better than I expected.

[Ghoste]

I was in Toronto for four days last week Don with a half day side trip down into Hamilton and I didn't see a single one.  Not even on the 401 behind a transport.

[TheGhost]

I'm afraid they are selling better than I expected.

Afraid?  You do realize that if this car DIDN'T sell (even with the 4 doors, which sell more than 2), then DCX would most likely decide that a V-8 RWD Dodge would not be a profitable venture, and can the program altogether?  So, you could kiss goodbye any chance of seeing the car that you all have been screaming for, for quite a few more years.  And, again, if Dodge didn't sell cars, and it went under, we'd all be stuck driving Toyotas.  People need to look at the bigger picture, instead of a narrow tunnel focused only on 7 letters.

[myk]

Sorry guys, I have to agree with the review...

[Silver R/T]

Id rather drive new toyota than Turd

[Ghoste]

Not much of an import fan.  I don't want DCX to fail but I won't be getting so excited I wet my pants just because they choose to call this thing a Charger.  It's a European touring sedan at best and an unattractive family car at it's most common iteration.  I don't care for "Beemers" either.

[TheGhost]

Id rather drive new toyota than Turd

Tell me again how a NAME makes a car a turd?  And, I wonder just how many people would be willing to only have Japanese cars as an option for a new car......

[Troy]

And, again, if Dodge didn't sell cars, and it went under, we'd all be stuck driving Toyotas.

Stuck? I drive Toyotas because I like the cars and I've hardly ever had any reliability issues with them (I currently have two - my daily and my 4x4). Of course, if I had to choose a Camry or a Charger based on looks I'd walk so I'm selective in that respect - I generally won't drive anything that I wouldn't be seen in. Chrysler is a German company so what's the difference between driving one of those or driving a Japanese car? Most of my purchases fall into the bang-for-the-buck category and, sadly, DCX doesn't seem to have much to offer for me in that respect. My roommate's parents (diehard Mopar people) just picked up a new Charger R/T Hemi and the coolest thing on it is the DVD player for the rear seat. They wanted a 300 but there weren't any on the lot with the options they wanted and the Charger was a dealer demo with a big discount. He said if he were to do it again he would have skipped the Hemi because it's overkill for what they need - a daily driver that they can also use on long-haul trips (they are retired). I took some pictures but seeing that thing sit next to their 69 SuperBee just makes it look even less appealing. DCX may sell a bunch of them but there won't be one in my driveway until it looks better. Heck, I'm trying to find an older Ram because I can't stand the new ones either so it's more than just the Charger. To be honest, I'm not sure if they even make a car, truck, or SUV that I like at this point.

Troy

[derailed]

    I agree Troy, Ive been driving Toyotas for the last 15 years and they are pretty much all i will own for an everyday work car. Plus I like the fact thay so many of them are built here now. i just sold my 94 Camry with 225k on it for $2k. and upgraded to a 97 with only 160k on the clock.

[2Gunz]

I hate the looks of the new "Charger". However because of what I assume must be lack of sales, Ive seen some nice deals on them. So I might just end up with one. Then again maybe Ill get the Magnum, its cheaper yet  .

As far as front wheel drive in the snow, Id take it over rear wheel anyday.

Putting the weight over the traction, just makes sense. If you wander around in the winter and check out the trucks in New York, you will find alot of them have the beds filled with anything heavy for the winter months. My folks truck has a few hundred pounds of sand in it for the winter. Ive drove it with and without, and let me tell ya, it doesnt go anywhere without the extra weight.  Thats a standard feature in FWD cars.

Another thing is FWD seems to drive as more "together" in the snow. The front wheels accerate it and stop it in a fluid sort of way. Vs the push, pull of RWD.

Plus if you remember you have a gas pedal you can help avoid the evil slam into the snow bank on that corner you dont remember as being so sharp. Turn the wheel and hammer the gas.

You get the same sort of results with RWD, but end up in a see saw motion that normally finds you across the road in the other snow bank. 

My 2 cents

[greenpigs]

I was looking at a Subaru outback before getting my 05 Ram 4x4. The imports have some pluses and with more componets built, like my hemi, in mexico buying American is not as easy as getting a Mopar..or the other two.
  I have seen 3 new chargers on the road and the local dealer seems to move them quick. I have noticed they seem to be RT's only that they keep on the lot. I understand they make more off the loaded RT's and a 4000+ car needs a hemi to get out of its own way anyways

[Afturhrz]

You guys need to take 1 step back and look at this. Its just a late model car with a name you like, thats all this car has in common with the old Chargers. None of thses cars impress me as a real muscle car. Those days are long gone. Now if they REPRODUCED the old body styles and threw in some late model technology on the motor and drivetrain,,there you mght have something. This things just another late model bubble body like the rest of em.

[Ghoste]

I think we all realize that.  Much of the problem began waaay back when the first images of the thing were being "leaked" to the press.  When the enthusiasts went nuts, DCX's reaction was to explain how we were all dinosaurs who didn't get it and that we were stuck in the past.  They made it crystal clear that the car was not in any way shape or form supposed to resemble the old ones because we were an insignificant market and they were not trying to reach us.  Then, surprise!  The entire marketing campaign is based around linking the car to the old Chargers and telling the world the musclecar is back.