3 gen B-body.Got Keys! Pic's of 72 Road Runner 440-4sp. Dana Car.

[High Impact]

I just bought a 72 Runner and it didnt come with keys. I want to be able to move the car around but the column is locked and I dont want to destroy anything.


I tried to get the roll pin out of the steering coupler today but it wouldnt budge. I tried to drill the pin out but have wasted about 4 drill bits and still cant get the coupler off the shaft. Anybody have and ideas? 

[RD]

pull the steering wheel off, take the turn signal switch off, remove the front steering housing by removing the retainer snap ring first then pull the housing away from the middle housing.  once in the middle housing, you can either:  (1) remove the ignition tumbler (2) pull the ignition switch off by removing the three screws that hold it to the middle steering housing OR (3) and probably the easiest, remove the two screws that secure the steering wheel lock and push the lock up and out of the way so that you may turn the steering wheel.

let me know if you need further guidance.

[FLG]

Im sure nacho will chime in or other 3rd gen guys, im not too familiar with the locking system...but why cant you just remove the cylinder, bring it to a locksmith and have a key made for it?


Edit: RD beat me to it...thar ya go 

BTW good luck with the car...shessh sure are alot of leaves in there

[squeakfinder]

Wow, sure are altot of leaves under the hood. Is that a six pack air cleaner?   

[High Impact]

Wow, sure are altot of leaves under the hood. Is that a six pack air cleaner?   

Yup!

[RD]

did he say that was original or aftermarket six pack setup?   you know if its originall that is an EXTREMELY rare car.

*edit*

you got a VIN for us to see (minus the serial number)

[squeakfinder]

Can you hire a wrecker to hall it to your place? Thats what I would do, then mess around with the column later.

[rusty lee]

ask uncle Jesse to call Cooter since he's just standing there.   

[FLG]

Looks to me like its atleast an original 440 car because if you look carefully you can see the #'s "440" on the hood...though i cant make out if theres a "+6" after that.

Isnt there only 7 or so accounted for?

[squeakfinder]

ask uncle Jesse to call Cooter since he's just standing there.   

Oh hell, if Cooter's busy, I'm sure one of the Duke boys can hall it.

[evil1]

that grille will be expensive to replace. how much did you pay for it . and how about a pic of the finder tad? looks like a nice project

[Nacho-RT74]

why not go to locksmith and get the key made once?

[69charger2002]

if you don't mind buying a new cylinder and lock set(about $35) jab a flat head screwdriver into the ignition keyhole with a hemmer till it's in there really good, then twist and pull on it for a bit. the whole cylinder will come out.. then you can reach the screwdriver in the hole and turn the lever manually to get it into neutral. no i'm not a thief but i was told it worked, so i tried it recent;y when i got a 70 coronet 4 door for parts. sure enough, worked perfect
trav

[Khyron]

Leaf it alone...





ohh common, you where all thinking it

[NMike]

easier to pull the door cylinder and have a key made for that. unless the ignition is different.

[mikesbbody]

If that is a true 72 440 6 pack car then you have one of the rarest mopars ever made  remember the 6 pack option was dropped for 72 but depending on who you talk too, 2 72 RR and 2 72 rallye chargers left the factory that year with the 6 pack option that was never meant to be...even if its a added 6 pack still a very cool car 

[High Impact]

Thanks for the info.  I think I will try having a key made off the door lock cylinder.  Heres a couple more pics of the car.  Its got a 4speed and a Dana 60 with the rear sway bar!

[1972Rallye]

Well, If it has a 4-speed/Dana, then the 6 bbl was probably an add-on.  The early literature says no 4 speeds with the 440-6.  NEVER say never with Mopar, though.

You can help us all and tell us what that 5th digit in the VIN is..... 

[Charger-Bodie]

Whatever the case, Thats a very cool car !! Keep us posted! 

[skip68]

Nice find.  Sooooooooo,  how much $ ? 

[High Impact]

   Sadly its not the rarest car out there,  but it is a true U code 440-4gear-Dana car.   In the glove box is the original window sticker and its a number matching car. (minus the intake and carb)

  It came with a TON of extras:  a 1970 Cuda 440-6pack motor another 1971 440 motor,  a 18 spline 4speed   A 340 Road Runner hood and fender, the original rally wheels and a aluminum SUPER SIX intake off a Spirt of 76 Duster!

The car is rusty but could be restored.   Its the best thing I've ever brought home and I still cant believe I got it and all the parts for what I paid

[RD]

awesome buy... with lots of goodies.. congrats and cant wait to see some pics when  you clean her up a little... just so we can gauge the rust/interior and stuff.

your plans at this point (i understand if they may change, mine always do)?

[High Impact]

your plans at this point (i understand if they may change, mine always do)?

My original plans was to transfer the drivetrain over to my 72 Rallye Charger.  My Rallye car was a 340 4speed car that was loaded with options but somewhere through the years the 340 was replaced with a 440.  This Road Runner has the original motor which would be the right year for my Rallye car..............but Im not sure at this point what to do.   This car is alittle ruff ,  The rear frame rails are bad and alittle bit on the outer tortion bar part next to the rocker on the drivers side.  other than that is not bad. 

I've already had a few people offer to buy it but Im not real sure what its worth

I'll get it cleaned up soon and figure out what I really have.   I did get a key made for the ignition today!!!   Only cost me $20.00 and did it while I waited!   Atleast I can push it around now

[Nacho-RT74]

My original plans was to transfer the drivetrain over to my 72 Rallye Charger....bla bla bla...  This Road Runner has the original motor which would be the right year for my Rallye car..............bla bla bla

yeah sure, part out a NICE and HARD TO FIND 72 RR with that drivetrain being matching numbers



sorry, I know is or will be your car but still

[BMOTOXSTAR]

Awesome find man. 

[Finn]

 

The brother of the guy I bought my charger from has a pretty sweet 71 RR with a 340 4bbl



The right one is a GTX.

Looks like a sweet find!

[RD]

dont hack it up... those cars are pretty rare... and dont pull the matching stuff.. i sure the hell wouldnt if it was mine.

[FLG]

Dont ruin the car. Rotted or not she deserves to be saved 

Plus you have plenty of extras...i say you drop in that 440-6 that comes with the car into your 72 charger.

Or what came to be of the 70 cuda? im sure if its still around the owner would pay good to get that engine back and you can easily use that money to go twards the RR or your Charger...heck even the 4 speed and the other 440.

In the end its up to you...but that 72 seems to be optioned very well and not a dime a dozen. If you were talking about tearing apart some plane jane 318 charger thats not worth to restore then fine...but in my eyes that car should be restored not parted.

[1972Rallye]

Dont ruin the car. Rotted or not she deserves to be saved 

Plus you have plenty of extras...i say you drop in that 440-6 that comes with the car into your 72 charger.

Or what came to be of the 70 cuda? im sure if its still around the owner would pay good to get that engine back and you can easily use that money to go twards the RR or your Charger...heck even the 4 speed and the other 440.

In the end its up to you...but that 72 seems to be optioned very well and not a dime a dozen. If you were talking about tearing apart some plane jane 318 charger thats not worth to restore then fine...but in my eyes that car should be restored not parted.

Parting that car (or removing the original drive train) would be a VERY    almost criminal in the eyes of some.

1972 was the last of the 440 4-speed cars...  we need to keep 'em around!  Please do some real  on this before you proceed.  The Runner will be worth a LOT more when restored than the 340 Rallye Charger...

[High Impact]

Parting that car (or removing the original drive train) would be a VERY    almost criminal in the eyes of some.

1972 was the last of the 440 4-speed cars...  we need to keep 'em around!  Please do some real   on this before you proceed.  The Runner will be worth a LOT more when restored than the 340 Rallye Charger...

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Thanks for the response's.    I just needed to hear what you guys thought.


I guess I just needed a good  


When I said I thought about putting the drive-train in the Rallye car....................THAT was my first thought being thats the car I"VE BEEN LOOKING FOR PARTS FOR,   But now after really finding out how many they made and to have it be a one owner car with paper work..............Its just too nice of find to part out.  This car deserves to be restored.

[Old Moparz]

Nice find, & glad to hear you aren't parting it out.   

I usually don't care at all about matching numbers, but to find something rare with a very low production number that's basically still together, is kind of cool. I like the 71 & 72 Road Runners a lot, so it'll be good to see it restored as long as you can find parts.

Which definitely won't be easy for this one. 

[RD]

didnt notice it earlier but that is a 71 quarter panel.

[FLG]

Glad to hear its staying together and being restored 

Good luck with the resto and KEEP THE PICS COMMING!!!

[High Impact]

didnt notice it earlier but that is a 71 quarter panel.

Thats the one thing about the car that make we wonder about  restoring the car.   See,  the car was rolled back in 1973 or 74 and they had a body shop cut the car in half and they put a rear clip off a 71 road runner on.   He continued to drive it that way until around 1982  and then he walked away and left it for dead on his brothers property.   They did a decent job from looking underneath the car but it makes me wonder about the value of the car when its all restored.

What do you guys think?

[FLG]

Its all just sheet metal. I would say almost ALL of restos include new quarters, 35 or so years of sitting really eats away at that metal. Unless it was pristine to begin with then the person is going to be replacing some panels. Do the resto, put the 72 parts back on and trust me...no one will care once its all done and it wont make one bit of difference when it comes to value. Granted you will never get as much as a true survivor car but you wont get any less then any other RR with those specs thats also been restored.

[High Impact]

Well, last nite I spent about 4 hours cleaning the leaves out and power washing all the years of dirt off the car.  It cleaned up pretty good!  The biggest bonus was that the motor wasn't stuck and it rolls over.  I didnt expect that! 


Here are a couple pics from last nite.

[RD]

looks remarkably in good shape.. wow.. didnt expect that

how does the interior look?

[FLG]

WOW cleaned up real nice 

Ah, knew those were 440 decals on the hood 

MORE PICS !!!

[Brock Samson]

what color is that supposed to be?.. 

[1972Rallye]

Looks like the front was B5 and the back was Y1.  Something to keep in mind if you restore this car... Unless the back half was a also a 440-4speed car, you may be missing some the structural reinforcements that those cars came with (commonly called torque boxes). There were reinforcements at the front of the rocker, front spring perch area and rear spring perch area.

Glad you're doing the right thing!   

[High Impact]

Looks like the front was B5 and the back was Y1.  Something to keep in mind if you restore this car... Unless the back half was a also a 440-4speed car, you may be missing some the structural reinforcements that those cars came with (commonly called torque boxes). There were reinforcements at the front of the rocker, front spring perch area and rear spring perch area.

Glad you're doing the right thing!   

The back half of the car was 71 satelite and Im pretty sure it dosent have the extra reinforcements............Im not even sure if Id know what they were suppose to look like.  ANYONE GOT A PICTURE?


Also,  anyone have any ideas what to soak the carb's in to get the throttle shafts to move.   They dont look that bad but all three are froze.

[RallyeMike]

Wow. Great find. Just finding the wide Dana is a score.

Try WD40 or any of those penetrators on the shafts. Just let is soak in for several days. Dont force them.

[terrible one]

PB Blaster is a good option too.

[TruckDriver]

PB Blaster is a good option too.

I don't even use WD40 any more. PB Blaster is way better, and works faster.