Daytona Photos Fall Hershey 2002

[Old Moparz]

  In shots # 10 and 11 that show the inner, upper, rear quarter show the wing base shape imbossed in the sheet metal,. Is that right?..  

You mean the two pics inside the trunk looking upward? That's the wing washer. It is a rectangular piece that goes between the top of the quarter panel, sheet metal, & the vertical brace that supports the wing towards the trunk floor. It helps distribute the down force to keep the sheet metal in tact. A big washer basically.

[Old Moparz]

Like what Big Block Sam said. 

[Silver R/T]

nice daytona

[Brock Samson]

   Oh, Ok... thanks...    those pieces rebopped too?.. What I mean is, are they on the clones?.. didn't know about them.. 

[Old Moparz]

Strat,

They're being remade in both fiberglass & metal by a couple of vendors. I have a pair in glass that came with all the Daytona parts I recently  bought, & they are very thick. Metal may be more correct, but I have these in stock & will probably use them if they fit well enough. I'm not building a carbon copy, just a nice driver I can have fun with. If I was one who was worried over originality, I wouldn't have the '70 GTX nose on my '69 Satellite ragtop. 

Bob

[BigBlockSam]

hey Bob
  i don't think you can use the fiberglass wing washers with your aluminum wing. your wing is to heavy. you need metal ones but i know hotrod98 is looking for a set of them to reproduce them in metal. if he's into it you would have to send him yours. the metal ones from dayclona are $350. i can't afford that. i sent him my wing braces. he took good care of them, even resprayed them for me and i got a free set for leting him use them. are you into it. rene

[Old Moparz]

hey Bob
  i don't think you can use the fiberglass wing washers with your aluminum wing. your wing is to heavy. you need metal ones but i know hotrod98 is looking for a set of them to reproduce them in metal. if he's into it you would have to send him yours. the metal ones from dayclona are $350. i can't afford that. i sent him my wing braces. he took good care of them, even resprayed them for me and i got a free set for leting him use them. are you into it. rene

Rene,

I don't think the weight of the wing would be relevant since the upright supports that are inside the trunk would take care of that. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the wing washer would be mostly used to keep the quarter panel sheet metal from getting distorted when the nuts are tightened to the studs at the base of the wing. (That's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong.) Actually, I see the washer being even more important to someone using a fiberglass wing as opposed to the solid aluminum. I would think that there would be more flex in the fiberglass when the nuts are tightened to the studs.

If Larry (Hotrod98) wants to use the glass ones I have as a template, I have no problem with that. I can send him mine, but I don't know what the differences will be between the metal & glass. If they're close enough, that's fine with me since I'm not worried about accuracy on my project, just as long as it works. Someone else may need theirs 100%.

Bob

[hotrod98]

Bob,
I would like to see a pic of the 70/69 hybrid convert. Sounds cool.
As for the wing washers, I was thinking about showing them to the fab shop that formed the wing braces for us. Not sure if they could do anything, but I'm willing to try. I'm a little concerned about using the fierglass wing washers with the weight of Dane's wings.
I really think that the fiberglass versions were made to be used with the fiberglass wings since they are a lot lighter. I would bet that you wouldn't even need the wing washers with the fiberglass wing, but I could be wrong.
The wing washers offer additional support under the quarter to keep the quarter panel from distorting. With a heavy wing, the f/g version may not do the job. In addition, I agree with you that the look of the component is not as important as the function.
The wing braces that extend to the trunk floor don't prevent the distortion that the washers prevent. They have two different functions.
I wasn't planning on spending $350 for steel wing washers and would like to find an alternative.
hotrod98

[BigBlockSam]

the  wing brackets support the wing, up and down. what concerns me is the lateral support. i agree as long as it works. Rene

[Old Moparz]

Bob,
I would like to see a pic of the 70/69 hybrid convert. Sounds cool.
As for the wing washers, I was thinking about showing them to the fab shop that formed the wing braces for us. Not sure if they could do anything, but I'm willing to try. I'm a little concerned about using the fierglass wing washers with the weight of Dane's wings.
I really think that the fiberglass versions were made to be used with the fiberglass wings since they are a lot lighter. I would bet that you wouldn't even need the wing washers with the fiberglass wing, but I could be wrong.
The wing washers offer additional support under the quarter to keep the quarter panel from distorting. With a heavy wing, the f/g version may not do the job. In addition, I agree with you that the look of the component is not as important as the function.
The wing braces that extend to the trunk floor don't prevent the distortion that the washers prevent. They have two different functions.
I wasn't planning on spending $350 for steel wing washers and would like to find an alternative.
hotrod98

Sure, I'll show off the ragtop, it's my thread.     I'll start on refinishing it one day, but I just hate the idea of having it off the road & not being able to put a top down for who knows how long? I've had it since around 1984, & back then it was a daily driver, that neither snow, nor rain, not heat, nor gloom of night stayed this car from the swift completion of it's appointed rounds. Like getting to the bars with friends or a 2000 mile trip to the '85 Nationals via Canada with my wife.  

It's a 318 car with P/S, P/B, P/top, A/C, AM/FM, power seat (I added) automatic trans & the GTX nose I had in stock 20 years ago. I almost put the air grabber hood on it, but held off & stored it. Now it's a spare for the '70 Road Runner.






Larry, let me know if you want to use the glass washers to try to make copies. If you do, count me in on a pair too. The glass ones are very, thick with not much give or flex. I still think they'd be fine no matter which wing is used since it seems more for protecting the metal of the quarter when it's snugged up tight. I've seen a few cars with original wings that never had a washer at all, & there was no problem. One guy near me back in the early 80's had a '70 Road Runner ragtop with a Superbird wing on it & no distortion.

Bob

[hotrod98]

Bob,
I've never seen that done before. I was thinking that the fenders and doors would line up.  I've owned a 70 gtx and I now have a 70 satellite to build the bird clone from later on. I also have a b5 69 runner that has 68,000 miles on it. It looks like your vert was a b5 blue car as well.
I'll let you know on the wing washers.

[Charger_Fan]

This is the first time I've clued in that your convert doesn't have rear marker lights. Did you do that, or was it dome before?


Man, how I could use one of those lifts...gonna have to do something about that one day.

[Old Moparz]

Bob,
I've never seen that done before. I was thinking that the fenders and doors would line up.   I've owned a 70 gtx and I now have a 70 satellite to build the bird clone from later on. I also have a b5 69 runner that has 68,000 miles on it. It looks like your vert was a b5 blue car as well.
I'll let you know on the wing washers.

There's only a couple of B-Body cars I've seen over the years with the noses swapped on them. The first was a '69 Super Bee that had a '69 Charger nose on it. This was back around 1981 in a town next to mine. The car was for sale, but I called the guy just to see the nose swap. I had the Charger ragtop itch back then & wanted to see how it fit. He was asking $6500 for it with a 13.5 to 1 Hemi in it. This was a ridiculous number at the time, but the guy said he priced it that way so he wouldn't sell it. Seems he wrecked his mother's car running from the police when they tried to pull him over after leaving a bar.     He was "forced" to sell his car to make amends, but he didn't want to let it go. It was a nice car & originally a 383, but it wasn't fast enough for him. There was a custom Bee, hand painted on in the tail stripe that was very cool. (Wish I had pics.)

Once I saw that the nose fit, I put a pair of Charger doors on a '70 Satellite parts car before I scrapped it. These fit, opened & closed perfect, but the body lines didn't match up. That's when I knew the nose & doors were a simple bolt on swap, & just the rear clip was going to be a nightmare. To think this seed was planted because I saw a fuse amperage listing in my Charger Chilton book for a convertible top. After researching & finding out they never made one, I wanted one. There was another '70 Road Runner or Satellite I saw at Englishtown once that had a '69 nose on it, just the opposite of my car. There's been a few others I saw pics of, but these are the only ones I saw in person besides a few wing car ragtops & replicas.

BTW, the car is the lighter B-3

This is the first time I've clued in that your convert doesn't have rear marker lights. Did you do that, or was it dome before?

Man, how I could use one of those lifts...gonna have to do something about that one day.

Grant,

I don't know why it's not in the photo, but the side markers are there. The driver's side has a '68 quarter on it, while the passenger side is still the original '69. The shop that did some rust repair, or better yet, screwed me on rust repair, never got to the side marker to correct it after welding on the quarter panel. It must be just a blur on the pic but it's there. It's a real mix of parts on this one since all the work I was doing on it was long before aftermarket parts. What's in this car will keep the purists awake at night.  

The car is a 1969 Satellite with:
1968 Road Runner quarter panel
1970 GTX fenders, hood & nose
1970 Road Runner grille & bezels
1972 New Yorker bucket seats
1973 New Yorker steering wheel
1968 Dodge rear seat
1969 GTX trunk lid
1969 Sport Satellite trunk finish panel

But, I am going to stick the right '69 nose I have back on now that I have the '70 Road Runner. Probably a few more semi-stock parts too.  

I hijacked my own thread.  

[BigBlockSam]

that's  pretty cool. my kingdom for a lift! i do everything laying on the floor.  i thoght about making my 69 satellite into a 70 superbird.  it needs quarters and complete trunk anyway. Rene

[Charger_Fan]

What's in this car will keep the purists awake at night.  

Hey, you left out the two different colored primers.

Oh well, at least it's still a complete running car.

[Daytona Guy]

<<I don't think the weight of the wing would be relevant since the upright supports that are inside the trunk would take care of that. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the wing washer would be mostly used to keep the quarter panel sheet metal from getting distorted when the nuts are tightened to the studs at the base of the wing.>>

I would agree with this. The weight it taken off the washer and the Q-panel and transferred to the trunk. The washer makes everything snug around the bottom of the wing. The wing washers were designed first to be adequate to hold the wing, then after testing at 190+ speeds found the trunk Q buckling. Then they designed the trunk bracing. Then NASCAR got the Daytona and threw out the bracing and came up with their own.

[djcarguy]

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Do you have any ore pictures of the 500 by chance? Interior, motor etc???  You named that file hemi.