HAS ANYBODY TRIED THIS YET?

[cpthowdy1369]

My grandfather is about to convert his motor to run on gas and hydrogen.  He is telling me that it is not hard to do with hardware store items, he got the plans off of the internet and it should double his gas mileage.  Has anyone tried to do this yet?  If it works on his car, I was thinking about doing it to my Charger.

[RD]

where is he getting the hydrogen?  how much is it?  i will let him be the guinea pig and then tell us about it

[aifilaw]

This is the standard electrolysis method for producing hydrogen from water.
have a look at howstuffworks.com and it will explain it for the most part.

the claims I see on websites about how it increases your gas mileage by huge values are in short, BS.

the fact is, power isn't free, energy isn't created, only converted and used, and no method man uses can produce more than it loses with the exception of a few items, like superconductors, which required a ton of energy to produce the cooling means for... then of course there is fission and fusion, but let's not go there.

you need energy, in the form of electrical power to produce the hydrogen from water, that energy requires placing a load on your alternator, which in turn places load on the engine. I see a potential for the overall efficiency of the vehicle to increase in mpg as far as that is concerned, but not to the extent I would consider would make it worth it.

Then again, I am speaking theoretically, I know one guy at work who is going to convert his truck, so between the two of us we should see a real-life example we can point too soon.
Just make sure they keep the other parts of the equation constant (same driving habits, distance, roads, et cetera)

[cpthowdy1369]

That's pretty much exactly what he's doing.  He set up a rig that breaks down water into hydrogen and oxygen gas by electrolosis then it gets pumped into the intake along with the gas.  He is saying that it's not that hard to do this and it is supposed to work on carb motors and fuel injected motors. 

[royt440]

He can get $1,000,000 from randi.org if he gets more energy out of it than he puts into it.  I'm almost afraid to read the articles about these things because they all sound plausible.  Actuality usually sneaks up and bites you on the butt. My

[onebadmopar]

garage here in town is doing them with excellent results

[aifilaw]

garage here in town is doing them with excellent results

That really doesn't mean much, a member of the board doing their own personnal car, with a scientific approach in accurately measuring fuel mileage, power, et cetera before and after the procedure is all that I will really accept. Otherwise its just another scam.

I am completely familiar with the approach, and the science behind it. But I lack the in-depth knowledge of just how much you can extract from water using how much power from your vehicles supply.
In the end it is not infinitely refueling. Even if it were a 100% efficient conversion with no loss, then you would still need to obtain water from somewhere.

The real question is what % efficiency gain does it really give in several applications, and I have yet to run into a real proven tried and true test.

[Ghoste]

I saw on the DOH once where uncle Jesse was offering his secret 'shine formula up to President Carter as a solution for the fuel crisis.  Maybe we could just get the government to dust off the formula and let us use it?   

Just my sarcastic way of saying "show me". 

[Tilar]

Just do a search for Daniel Dingle and check out some of the videos that show up.

[bordin34]

Didn't Mythbusters test this and say that it could work but there is no way to make that much hydrogen gas.

[Tilar]

I suspect that Mythbusters was trying HHO and not true Hydrogen.  Hydrogen is more in the lines of propane and is very explosive but your car will run 100% on this with no gasoline at all.

The HHO gas will give you a 15 to 50% increase in mileage depending on the vehicle and driver, but from what I've been reading you can't get enough energy out of it to run without at least some gasoline with current technology. Some are claiming that they have the technology but have nothing on the market just yet.

I've been doing a lot of reading and research on this and intend on trying it on my 454 Suburban 4x4 once I get to the point that I feel I have enough knowledge on the subject and won't burn my truck to the ground.   

[cpthowdy1369]

Well,  here's the update.  My grandfather and his down the street neighbor put these contraptions on thier cars that used electrolosis to break down water, then injected the hydrogen and oxygen into the cylinders.  It did not work.  he said that it actually robbed his car of fuel mileage.  I don't know if he just hooked it up wrong or used the wrong materials or what, but I don't think that I will be doing this to my charger.

[Ghoste]

If it were that easy I would tend to think it's use would be more widespread but to all the inventors out there, don't give up.

[WingCharger]

On Mythbusters, they tested a Hydrolosis Kit from the internet. They had an Electrical Engineer run and calibrate the electrical system. (Grant Imaraha) It could not create the Hydrogen fast enough to supply the entire engine. They tested it on a 70's or 80's Monte Carlo, and a newer (90's) Corvette. Now, when they tested blowing pure hydrogen into the top of the carburetor on the Monte Carlo through a hose from a tank, the car ran like a bat out 'o hell.

[375instroke]

Think how much air goes into a carb at WOT.  Aren't we running between 600 and 1000 CFM carbs?  That's just the air, not the fuel too.  Your electrolysis tank would need to look like a Jacuzzi to get that much hydrogen.  The amount of electrical power required to convert water into the equivalent of 1 gallon of gasoline is 32,935kWh.  If using your car's electrical system with around 13 volts and 30 amps, you'd need to run that thing for over 9 years.

[tecmopar]

One of the guys in our club here is tinkering with a set up on a ''01 Camry with a V6 and so far its pretty impresive. Normally the car gets around 24 MPG but now is right around 43 MPG and it runs the same, maybe a little better. He's got about 135.00 into the set up using distilled water and baking soda. Its just a fun project for now but hell, thats not bad for an every day car.

[SeattleCharger]

One of the guys in our club here is tinkering with a set up on a ''01 Camry with a V6 and so far its pretty impresive. Normally the car gets around 24 MPG but now is right around 43 MPG and it runs the same, maybe a little better. He's got about 135.00 into the set up using distilled water and baking soda. Its just a fun project for now but hell, thats not bad for an every day car.

             

[Bobs69]

I've done this on my 95 chev with a 3100.  Not sure what to say about it yet, I think it may help a little bit.  I won't go into a long song and dance, but I'm still testing it.  With help from a friend I hooked up his idea of a hydrogen maker.  I am only using water at the moment.  I tried bakeing soda once and used too much, kept shorting out.

What is the water to soda ratio?