hemigeno's Daytona restoration - a few more tweaks... again!

[paul jacobs]

Not to get off topic, but check out the picture of the black and white 69 Superbee 6pk car. It has no inner fender bracket and the wide master cylinder! If you restored that car back as it was can you imagine what all the experts would say!!

[Hemi_tyme]

Here's another A12 reference pic, you can see the dipstick/tube at the very bottom outside the manifold.  I have several other original pictures showing the same trait.  The other pictures I have with inside-the-manifold handles might be restored cars whose handle position was relocated, not sure.

I'm Thinkin a Ramcharger hood car not A12...Look at the cable from the firewall to fender well.

[gtx6970]

be carefull using pilot car or pre-preduction car photos for references.. A lot of them were / are hand built and do not show the normal traits of a mass production vehicle

[maxwellwedge]

Not to mention the unpainted intake, chrome v/covers, parts counter replacement battery and Federal p/s pump among other stuff.

The color A12 pic is pretty darn correct.

In either case the dipstick tube is correct.

[hemi68charger]

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In either case the dipstick tube is correct.

And that's his final answer.........................   Who wants to be a millionaire?   

[maxwellwedge]

Yes!

[notabird]

welcome to the site PJ
Brent

[Mopar John]

Geno,
Great pictures and verbage to go with! I noticed a lot of discussion on engine oil dipstick tubes. I have attached an original before picture of the B5 Daytona and if you look to the right of the black valve cover cap the dip stick is there on the outside of the exhaust manifold! Unfortunately the tube was missing on the R4 Daytona.
    Looks like a lot of progress!

[hemigeno]

OK, I have some more "before" pictures that just surfaced last month.  Vance actually sent them to me two and a half years ago, but they were sent to an email address I don't use anymore and had not checked in years.  Thankfully, the emails were still floating around in cyberspace.

Anyway, I'm posting these for two reasons:  First to mark the fourth anniversary of when this whole ordeal (and thread) started;  second, because the collective braintrust here at DC.com might offer even greater insight into the car than what I've picked up on.  I have already referenced some of these pictures to help with undercoat patterns on the back end of the car, as well as a more definitive pattern to follow for blackout on the radiator yoke/support.

There are 20 pictures in all, that date back to the first few days of the car's disassembly work.  Not much explanation is needed for these kinds of pics, I suppose.

[hemigeno]

More of the same

[hemigeno]

Still more of the same


(BTW, Robert/FJMG, I couldn't make out any writing beneath the layer of undercoat like your car had - still wondering if that was a common trait)

[hemigeno]

A few more - the last one shows some of the tail end undercoat spray pattern we'll try to emulate

[hemigeno]

Last of the "before" pictures.  I won't have an update on the car's progress for a little while longer, but hope to head back north in a few weeks.

[maxwellwedge]

Not to get off topic, but check out the picture of the black and white 69 Superbee 6pk car. It has no inner fender bracket and the wide master cylinder! If you restored that car back as it was can you imagine what all the experts would say!!

Good call Paul! - Not to mention it is a disc brake master - drums only on A12's. And those heater hoses appear taped together. This had to be some kind of "mule" car before all the stuff was finalized.

Oooops - Off topic.....Back to you Geno!

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Still more of the same


(BTW, Robert/FJMG, I couldn't make out any writing beneath the layer of undercoat like your car had - still wondering if that was a common trait)

Like these markings on my C500... or on the topcoat?

[FJMG]

Just like the A1 on the pass. firewall. I posted a pic in this thread earlier. I'll see if I can find the other marks you show.

[tan top]

more good/intresting  pictures Geno , thanks for sharing

[hemigeno]

Oooops - Off topic.....Back to you Geno!

You know I love a good thread hijack!

Like these markings on my C500... or on the topcoat?

That "A1" on the firewall is a puzzler.  Robert's Daytona has the same marking, and I had earlier thought it might be a truncated "A11" denoting the car's status as something other than an R/T.  The same might hold true for a C500, but there is no difference between an R/T, C500 and Daytona until you get to the trim phase (i.e. quarterpanel & tailpanel decoration differences and omition of the grille assembly) and by then you wouldn't have been able to see any markings on the inner fender/firewall.  It's gotta mean something else. 

Those are neat details though, even if we don't know what they mean.

[UFO]

That "A1" on the firewall is a puzzler.  Robert's Daytona has the same marking, and I had earlier thought it might be a truncated "A11" denoting the car's status as something other than an R/T.  The same might hold true for a C500, but there is no difference between an R/T, C500 and Daytona until you get to the trim phase (i.e. quarterpanel & tailpanel decoration differences and omition of the grille assembly) and by then you wouldn't have been able to see any markings on the inner fender/firewall.  It's gotta mean something else. 

Those are neat details though, even if we don't know what they mean.

Maybe it does.
At what point of the build up is the body shell assigned a vin or designated as a special handling vehicle?

[hemigeno]

AFAIK, as soon as pieces start down the assembly line there is an assigned VIN for that shell.  Otherwise, the workers would not have known whether to assemble a 2-door or 4-door, Coronet vs. Charger vs. Belvedere, and so on. 

You'd think the guys in the body shop (where the marks were likely to have been applied) could have known of the car's Sales Code A11 designation - but what purpose would it serve?  What would they do differently?  If it was a "Body In White" designated for delivery to Nichels Engineering, etc. there'd be differences at that point. 

 

[UFO]

Could also be way off of this A11 thing.
"Al" was just signing his work.

[hemigeno]

 

quite possible!

[maxwellwedge]

I had a two-tone car that had both paint codes written on the front of the core support (obviously before paint). Kinda cool - Kinda like extra insurance so no one was going to screw it up.

[tan top]

As with the turn signals, there was a prescribed method for installing the headlight actuators.  The washers you see between the actuator and the bucket were spelled out exactly.  This was undoubtedly what the engineers figured out was required to get the headlight doors to open as they wanted them to.  

A lot of you guys have spent countless hours trying to get headlight doors to open correctly, and I don't think I would ever have the patience to figure some of those details out.  Anyway, I took some pictures just to show how these were originally assembled.

The last picture shows a grommet used to protect the headlamp wiring and the vacuum line feeds that travel inside the headlight bucket.  My car had one of its original grommets, but the other one is MIA.

bit late on this i know   had a flash back you was looking for one of these , you prolly got it sorted by now ! but checkout Robs door gromet for power windows !!  same / close 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,76532.0.html

[Davtona]

The last picture shows a grommet used to protect the headlamp wiring and the vacuum line feeds that travel inside the headlight bucket.  My car had one of its original grommets, but the other one is MIA.

bit late on this i know   had a flash back you was looking for one of these , you prolly got it sorted by now ! but checkout Robs door gromet for power windows !!  same / close  

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,76532.0.html

Thanks for thinking this up Tan Top,

At first I thought why didn't I think of that. I took a look at my power window car and my first impression was we got a winner. Grommets are actually pretty close to the same diameter. Looking a little closer and I realized they are not the same.   The grommet in the door of a power window car and in the door post are the same grommets. They are just reversed in the direction they sit in the hole in the door and door post. The tapered cone end of the door grommet is inside the door so you can't see it. The Daytona grommet doesn't have the tapered cone on it. Looks like the search goes on Gene.

Dave