hemigeno's Daytona restoration - a few more tweaks... again!

[hemi68charger]

  11 inch brake hardware from ma mopar PT#4636773, my Daytonas rear drums have never been off they still have the locking washers on two studs from the factory. Some day i better do the brakes as the are 40 years old and never touched.      Jay.

Hey Jay...
Troy here... Which locking washers on which studs are you referring to? I'm collecting missing parts now for my 11"'s............

T

[WINGMAN]

  11 inch brake hardware from ma mopar PT#4636773, my Daytonas rear drums have never been off they still have the locking washers on two studs from the factory. Some day i better do the brakes as the are 40 years old and never touched.      Jay.

Hey Jay...
Troy here... Which locking washers on which studs are you referring to? I'm collecting missing parts now for my 11"'s............
T

Hey all.  I will try to pull out my Daytona this weekend and pull off a rear drum, i made a mistake calling those RETAINING washers locking washers I will be taking pics as i go. I need to look at the brakes anyway as there are only 40 years old and im driving it as if it were a new car.   Jay.

[nascarxx29]

I think my daytona had them .They were a thin metal washers .Pushed on over the stud .So brake drum wouldnt fall off during assembly

[maxwellwedge]

All Mopars had the on the rear drums - usually 2.

[694spdRT]

Hey Geno!

Just checking in on your Daytona progress. Fatherhood and a house purchase have taken a bite out of my Charger time but I am slowly getting back into the swing of things.

Can't wait to see the finished product. 

[hemi68charger]

Hey Geno!

... Fatherhood and a house purchase have taken a bite out of my Charger time but I am slowly getting back into the swing of things.

Join the crowd !!! 

[hemi68charger]

Geno..
Here is my rear manual 11's........  With the help of Julie..  Excuse the axle.. 

[maxwellwedge]

Good to see the kid is using the right tool! Good work Julie! 

[hemi68charger]

Good to see the kid is using the right tool! Good work Julie! 

Daddy learned the hard way, Julie will learn the easy........  experience...........

[gtx6970]

I think my daytona had them .They were a thin metal washers .Pushed on over the stud .So brake drum wouldnt fall off during assembly

These ?

Gene,
Not to sound redundant, but if your gonna put the clip on it, why worry about nos brake shoes.

ps- I might know of a set of 11" shoes nos. I'll ck in the morning

[pettybird]

Geno..
Here is my rear manual 11's........  With the help of Julie..  Excuse the axle.. 

Troy where are your self adjust levers and cables? 

you built the rears using the fronts as a guide?

[hemi68charger]

Geno..
Here is my rear manual 11's........  With the help of Julie..  Excuse the axle.. 

Troy where are your self adjust levers and cables? 

you built the rears using the fronts as a guide?

On the B-body HD and police 11", there were no self-adjusters. Self-adjusters came on the 10"s and the 11"'s on C-bodies. The service manual and parts book both verify this. The '68 service manual doesn't have a 11" HD / police figure, but the '69 service manual does, no self-adjusters. I was thinking of putting them on, but since I've never had a problem with Dana's 4-wheel drum, I decided to go back OEM to this car..

Troy

PS: I"ll add this to my Charger thread, no sense in hijacking Geno's thread....

[pettybird]

That's weird--the 11" brakes on the '67 Hemi GTX I'm doing here had them--

that's what's shown in the '67 manual, too. 


<---has nothing but disc brake cars at home...

[hemigeno]

Hope all is going well with the resto.  I had someone from another site point me here to get some info on Vance and then another member said he heard that he closed his shop.  What is the real deal?  Thanks

Chad

Chad,

No shop closing that I know of - talked with Vance on Friday, and work is progressing on the car quite nicely. 

The car is now in primer/sealer completely, masked off, wet sanded, re-shot with primer/sealer which has been curing for several days and is going to get the base color THIS WEEK!!  WooHoo!   

I'm making a trip up to visit the car on Friday again, so I should have another round of pictures after that.

[hemigeno]

  11 inch brake hardware from ma mopar PT#4636773, my Daytonas rear drums have never been off they still have the locking washers on two studs from the factory. Some day i better do the brakes as the are 40 years old and never touched.      Jay.

Hey Jay...
Troy here... Which locking washers on which studs are you referring to? I'm collecting missing parts now for my 11"'s............
T

Hey all.  I will try to pull out my Daytona this weekend and pull off a rear drum, i made a mistake calling those RETAINING washers locking washers I will be taking pics as i go. I need to look at the brakes anyway as there are only 40 years old and im driving it as if it were a new car.   Jay.

Attached are the pictures Jay was kind enough to take of his Daytona's 11" brake drums which still have their retaining washers in place.

THANKS AGAIN, JAY!!!!   

[hemigeno]

These are some shots Jay sent of the brake hardware itself - can't get any better than this for original details...   Thanks again, Jay   

[moparstuart]

 will they keep the drums on when the wheel flys off at taladege ?  just kidding  

[hemigeno]

Hey Geno!

Just checking in on your Daytona progress. Fatherhood and a house purchase have taken a bite out of my Charger time but I am slowly getting back into the swing of things.

Can't wait to see the finished product. 

Thanks Ty, are you going to be hitting any of the shows down this direction anytime soon?  I know (all too well) how travelling with a little one can put a damper on things like that.

Join the crowd !!! 

     

BTW, good progress on your car's hardware, and Julie's gettin' with the program real well it looks! 

Gene,
Not to sound redundant, but if your gonna put the clip on it, why worry about nos brake shoes.

Bill,

IIRC the clips do come off, although it takes a bit of work.  My guess is that the concours-level judges will want to see the clip on the stud, but also want to take it off in order to check out the hardware.  I'll probably have to keep some extras around in case a clip gets too bent to reuse.

ps- I might know of a set of 11" shoes nos. I'll ck in the morning

       

[hemigeno]

will they keep the drums on when the wheel flys off at taladege ?  just kidding  

I'm sure everyone hopes there's no repeat of THAT...   

Oh wait, my Daytona's a 440 car and everyone knows that wheels only fly off of and then hit HemiDaytonas - nothing for me to worry about

[hemi68charger]

Great pics......... Glad I had someone else to verify what I was doing was proper... I guess it doesn't matter, but the adjuster teeth on a service manual is opposite the parking brake lever. For what it's worth, I guess it doesn't matter?  Here's out of the '69 Service Manual...  Thanks Jay....... Those retainers look almost identical to the ones used on my '98 SS/T.... Guess I'll add that touch to "hemi"...  I'll also paint the upper return springs red......

[maxwellwedge]

Bill,

IIRC the clips do come off, although it takes a bit of work.  My guess is that the concours-level judges will want to see the clip on the stud, but also want to take it off in order to check out the hardware.  I'll probably have to keep some extras around in case a clip gets too bent to reuse.

The Nats judges have not removed wheels in a few years (not when I went through with my car) now but I (and I know you too) feel better just knowing the stuff is there. The original drum retainers are round.

[pettybird]

so ALL B body 11" drum brakes are "heavy duty," and the non-heavy-duty (adjuster equipped) are ONLY on C bodies? 

how do you identify real Mopar adjusters?  the ones in the '67 X were definitely not new.  that doesn't mean they weren't added in the 70's, or '67 isn't different, or...


Like I said I have discs and 10.5"'s here.

[hemi68charger]

so ALL B body 11" drum brakes are "heavy duty," and the non-heavy-duty (adjuster equipped) are ONLY on C bodies? 

how do you identify real Mopar adjusters?  the ones in the '67 X were definitely not new.  that doesn't mean they weren't added in the 70's, or '67 isn't different, or...


Like I said I have discs and 10.5"'s here.

This is what I know:
Most of your high performance vehicles which had 4-wheel drums typical had the 11" version, hence no self-adjustment. The non-high performance vehicles that had the smaller 10" versions did have the self-adjusters. Also, vehicles with disc brakes usually had the 10" rear drums, once again, with self-adjusters. Now, the cars with 11" that DID come with the self-adjusters where the C-bodies......

Clear as mud?

Troy

[maxwellwedge]

so ALL B body 11" drum brakes are "heavy duty," and the non-heavy-duty (adjuster equipped) are ONLY on C bodies? 

how do you identify real Mopar adjusters?  the ones in the '67 X were definitely not new.  that doesn't mean they weren't added in the 70's, or '67 isn't different, or...


Like I said I have discs and 10.5"'s here.

This is what I know:
Most of your high performance vehicles which had 4-wheel drums typical had the 11" version, hence no self-adjustment. The non-high performance vehicles that had the smaller 10" versions did have the self-adjusters. Also, vehicles with disc brakes usually had the 10" rear drums, once again, with self-adjusters. Now, the cars with 11" that DID come with the self-adjusters where the C-bodies......

Clear as mud?

Troy

All disc brake performance cars 69-71 had 10" drums except the T/A and AAR got 11" rears.

[hemi68charger]

All disc brake performance cars 69-71 had 10" drums except the T/A and AAR got 11" rears.

Wow, I love this place... Learn something new ALL the time...  Speaking of which.....

how do you identify real Mopar adjusters?  the ones in the '67 X were definitely not new.  that doesn't mean they weren't added in the 70's, or '67 isn't different, or...

Here's a pic of a comparison. Brand new adjusters from NAPA (top) versus my original (bottom). I had 3, so I'm going with the new ones until I get the other one... The new one's pretty good actually.... There is a difference between the self and non adjusting adjusters. Visually, the self-adjusting adjusters have more "teeth" on their locking star...