XX engine on Craigslist

[69_500]

Ah now once again gone for a few days and I get cut in line by Stuart. I was hoping after DC I'd have a shot at those 500's that Rick has. See and I told my wife we should have stopped by for a visit last Sunday when we were there in Cincinatti.


Oh and side note, Allen and Dave both can ride in the 500 at Talladega if they don't get their cars going by then. Heck you two can take turns driving mine if ya want.

[pettybird]

how about in this  

Stuart - Either you or I should put this  out of it's misery...  Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s.  I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.

One way or another this  needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block?  Maybe we could take a poll... 

Allen

go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it . 
  Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .

I will contact the seller and see IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block...  A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...

BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.

Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes.  I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while.  Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.

I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...

Allen

so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor?  that's where I have trouble with this. 

hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...

[PocketThunder]

so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor?  that's where I have trouble with this. 

hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...

easy, he can just be the next owner of Ricks C500.. 

[moparstuart]

Hello Allen,

Just wondering if that new toy in the garage will be in St. Louis this September? Looks like something you and a old buddy from Iowa might take for a few laps around the track.    Oh ya old Aero cars only on the track. Maybe we could be the pace car.  Probably not a good idea on second thought. OK we'll just take it when we go out to eat and reminisce on Saturday night. Seriously very nice.

Dave registered and is posting...         

Welcome to the forum Dave!!!

I will probably have it at the next show that I see you at, whether it St Louis or Talledega.  You even get to drive it... 

Allen

nice car allen , you deserve it .  Good luck on the 440 motor hope you get an xx motor for your 500

[xs29j8Bullitt]

how about in this  

Stuart - Either you or I should put this  out of it's misery...  Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s.  I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.

One way or another this  needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block?  Maybe we could take a poll... 

Allen

go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it . 
  Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .

I will contact the seller and see IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block...  A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...

BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.

Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes.  I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while.  Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.

I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...

Allen

so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor?  that's where I have trouble with this. 

hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...

Me too... in the more than 9 months since this little drama started with the listing on eBay, I have thought about it a lot... and do not have a "great" answer, but here goes.........................

If I manage to buy the engine or just the block, the rebuilding will start almost immediately... no long storage to see if anyone buys the car from the current owner.  At the apparent asking price of $60,000 for the XS29L9B238099 Charger 500, it could be a loooooooong time before it changes owners.  I would fully document every penny spent of the purchase & rebuilding of the engine... and it would be available to a NEW owner of the C500 for the exact amount spent on it until the point it is installed in my C500.  After installation in my C500, the cost would change to total costs for replacement, including the replacement being rebuilt, detailed, and installed by mechanics & restorers of MY choice.  At that point it could be a bit costly... maybe over $10,000 to cover having others do all the work.  No discounts for "wear & tear" while in my C500! 

I have also thought about "what if" the current owner puts the C500 up for sale, and wanted the engine then because a potential buyer is willing to give more $$$ for a number matching car... the answer to that request is a lot easier!  I would be willing to trade even up for my C500's original engine in the same condition... 

In the last 6 months that it has been clear that the only way the block & car will be reunited under the current owner is if someone gives the engine to him for free, I have hoped that one of the potential future owners of the C500 would buy the block "under the radar" and keep it stored for the day the C500 becomes available... but the $60K asking price probably puts a damper on that happening.

That is my best take on the situation...     

Allen

[maxwellwedge]

Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.

I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin.   

[xs29j8Bullitt]

I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin.   

Yep, my C500's transmission has the full VIN... scheduled production date was December 4, 1968...

[maxwellwedge]

Nov. 28th assembly....OK. I have an October 69 Hemi with the full VIN but that was Lynch Road who did a lot of stuff different than the other plants.  Anyone else?

[WINGR]

Hey everyone, did I miss anything in this exciting post today. 

I got on here a little late because I called up our buddy Rick earlier, and your not goig to believe this but I just got off the phone a few minutes ago.

Anyway, is it my understanding that you are going to try and purchase this engine Allen? I know there are several of us that have thought about it, but like Stu said we wouldn't feel right. Rick and Sherry are very nice people and I don't think it's that they don't want the motor, it just comes down to spending money. I had really given it some serious thought because I had went and looked at the car before and have been wanting to buy it from Rick and Sherry. At the same time Rick may keep the car forever and you presently have got a C500 in need of an engine. It's too bad that Rick wouldn't have gotten it back when it first hit ebay, although then what would have to talk about. By the way how is your car coming along now? I hope you have some smooth sailing from now on.

WINGR/Steve

[WINGR]

Oh yeah Allen, congrats on that nice new shiny toy in your garage. I was hoping I was going to get a blue R/T for Christmas, but even though it was gone from our local dealers lot on Christmas Eve., it wasn't at our house the next morning. Oh well, I guess Santa coudn't drive the car and the sleigh.

Take care,
WINGR/Steve

[moparstuart]

how about in this  

Stuart - Either you or I should put this  out of it's misery...  Since the C500 owner shows no real interest in the motor, you or I should try to get it for our C500s.  I hate to take a chance on the conditon of the block, but would not hesitate if if was my C500's original block.

One way or another this  needs to end... wanna flip for first try at buying the block?  Maybe we could take a poll... 

Allen

go ahead allen I know rick too well and could never put that motor in my car and feel good about it . 
  Oh and good to see you, hope all is well .

I will contact the seller and see IF a deal can be worked out... I won't give his asking price, but will pay more than the block is worth as "just" a 1969 440 block...  A lot depends on what I can find out about the condition of the block, there were claims & denials about the condition (.060 over, etc), but I do not know who to believe...

BTW, Rick E. previously gave his go-ahead to buy the motor... see attachment below.

Stuart - Thanks for the well wishes.  I was totally tied up with work late last year, working 11-12 hours days for a while.  Last year sucked for me and many of my friends, so on New Year's Eve I bought myself a new toy to get 2009 off to a better start... see attached pictures.

I hope I can buy the block, but think the chances of agreeing on a price with the seller are only 50/50...

Allen

so what would you do down the road when Rick's 500 changes hands and the new guy wants the motor?  that's where I have trouble with this. 

hell I don't have a '69 motor for my Daytona, either...

Me too... in the more than 9 months since this little drama started with the listing on eBay, I have thought about it a lot... and do not have a "great" answer, but here goes.........................

If I manage to buy the engine or just the block, the rebuilding will start almost immediately... no long storage to see if anyone buys the car from the current owner.  At the apparent asking price of $60,000 for the XS29L9B238099 Charger 500, it could be a loooooooong time before it changes owners.  I would fully document every penny spent of the purchase & rebuilding of the engine... and it would be available to a NEW owner of the C500 for the exact amount spent on it until the point it is installed in my C500.  After installation in my C500, the cost would change to total costs for replacement, including the replacement being rebuilt, detailed, and installed by mechanics & restorers of MY choice.  At that point it could be a bit costly... maybe over $10,000 to cover having others do all the work.  No discounts for "wear & tear" while in my C500! 

I have also thought about "what if" the current owner puts the C500 up for sale, and wanted the engine then because a potential buyer is willing to give more $$$ for a number matching car... the answer to that request is a lot easier!  I would be willing to trade even up for my C500's original engine in the same condition... 

In the last 6 months that it has been clear that the only way the block & car will be reunited under the current owner is if someone gives the engine to him for free, I have hoped that one of the potential future owners of the C500 would buy the block "under the radar" and keep it stored for the day the C500 becomes available... but the $60K asking price probably puts a damper on that happening.

That is my best take on the situation...     

Allen

way to merky for me !

[pettybird]

i've got the cliffs notes for you--the motor and the car will never get together again.

[69_500]

Doug pretty much summed it up, with one exception. If someone else buys the engine now, and then waits 25 years to aquire the car from Sherrie then they might be reunited.

[hemigeno]

Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.

I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin.   

More than likely, the entire contingent of C500s were stamped with the full VIN, and none of the Daytonas were - although I didn't check 287970 for its VIN stamp.  Maybe Danny remembers on that one 

I do have a 4-speed transmission from XS29J9G199078 that was assembled in mid-January, and it has the full VIN.  Apparently the changeover to partial VIN stamping happened sometime after that at the St. Louis plant anyway.

[xs29j8Bullitt]

i've got the cliffs notes for you--the motor and the car will never get together again.

Doug pretty much summed it up, with one exception. If someone else buys the engine now, and then waits 25 years to aquire the car from Sherrie then they might be reunited.

You are likely right Doug... its a shame though, the C500 & engine surviving all these years.  Even with sentiments set aside, the financial side makes so much sense... at least to me.

Danny - I'll be in my late 70s in 25 years... with a little luck.  Might be a plan for you though...

Looks like the engine surviving in a C500 relative is a better fate than being blown up in a race car, lost again never to be found, or the Camaro threat...    Just my 

Allen

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Hey everyone, did I miss anything in this exciting post today. 

I got on here a little late because I called up our buddy Rick earlier, and your not goig to believe this but I just got off the phone a few minutes ago.

Anyway, is it my understanding that you are going to try and purchase this engine Allen? I know there are several of us that have thought about it, but like Stu said we wouldn't feel right. Rick and Sherry are very nice people and I don't think it's that they don't want the motor, it just comes down to spending money. I had really given it some serious thought because I had went and looked at the car before and have been wanting to buy it from Rick and Sherry. At the same time Rick may keep the car forever and you presently have got a C500 in need of an engine. It's too bad that Rick wouldn't have gotten it back when it first hit ebay, although then what would have to talk about. By the way how is your car coming along now? I hope you have some smooth sailing from now on.

WINGR/Steve

Oh yeah Allen, congrats on that nice new shiny toy in your garage. I was hoping I was going to get a blue R/T for Christmas, but even though it was gone from our local dealers lot on Christmas Eve., it wasn't at our house the next morning. Oh well, I guess Santa coudn't drive the car and the sleigh.

Take care,
WINGR/Steve

Hi Steve - Altough I have never met Rick & Sherry, I am sure that they are very nice folks.  But deciding not to take the opportunity to reunite the engine AND make a future profit doing it seems to be a bad decision, although it is certainly their right to make that choice.  After over 9 months, the current & potential owners do not considerate it a worthwhile investment.  I paid $600 for my C500 in 1986, but happily paid more than that for the matching number transmission last year... all together I have spent over $40,000 on the C500 over the years (including being ripped off by the old body shop).  The point being that what was paid in the 70s or 80s has little bearing on prices today, and having to pay a relatively small premium to the seller is a necessary evil... IMO.

The C500 is coming along well from reports... waiting on new pictures from the new body shop.

The new Challenger SRT is a blast to drive... and I haven't even hammered it yet! 

BTW Steve, two posts in a row and no mention of your interest in Blue Thunder... 

Allen

[maxwellwedge]

Do many of you Daytona owners with the original 440 under the hood have full vin #'s on their blocks/trans? Every 69 440 car I own have only the partial vin....but then again they are all later built cars such as 'Tona's and 69-1/2's.

I guess the 500 motors/trannys are early enough for some to have the full vin.   

More than likely, the entire contingent of C500s were stamped with the full VIN, and none of the Daytonas were - although I didn't check 287970 for its VIN stamp.  Maybe Danny remembers on that one 

I do have a 4-speed transmission from XS29J9G199078 that was assembled in mid-January, and it has the full VIN.  Apparently the changeover to partial VIN stamping happened sometime after that at the St. Louis plant anyway.

My old Hemi 500 XS29J9B133981 still had its original trans and IIRC had the full VIN on it. It was an early "XS". I wonder if I have a pic somewhere? It belongs to a member on this board - maybe he can chime in?

[nascarxx29]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,27361.msg299429/topicseen.html#msg299429

[maxwellwedge]

Yup - That's my ftag pic I sent in either here or Moparts a few years ago. I believe the owners name is Carl - He contacted me during the resto trying to trace back the cars ownership history. Do we have a pic of the trans vin? nascarxx29 - you are the man for finding links fast! 

[talkiemopar]

Hey Allen,

Hey go for it - being seniors ( 65 and 67 yrs. young) doesn't give us much time to have an 'investment' interest for the motor.  We only quoted 'Frank' the -generous- 60K to get a knee jerk reaction to our 'price', since he originally asked 4k for the motor.  Of Course at 60k we would definitely sell  it.   Now, we do have another 500 in the garage that we're not as interested in keeping as we are the bronze one.   Make Frank an offer and good luck.  We just don't see why an XX motor makes a car worth more - only mine - ?
Later  R and S

[moparstuart]

Hey Allen,

Hey go for it - being seniors ( 65 and 67 yrs. young) doesn't give us much time to have an 'investment' interest for the motor.  We only quoted 'Frank' the -generous- 60K to get a knee jerk reaction to our 'price', since he originally asked 4k for the motor.  Of Course at 60k we would definitely sell  it.   Now, we do have another 500 in the garage that we're not as interested in keeping as we are the bronze one.   Make Frank an offer and good luck.  We just don't see why an XX motor makes a car worth more - only mine - ?
Later  R and S

[pettybird]

We just don't see why an XX motor makes a car worth more - only mine - ?
Later  R and S

well DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH




have him sell some of those stupid diecasts and buy the damn thing.  f'ing toys are WORTHLESS compared to this motor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


he even has a '69 440HP sitting next to the car that can go.  that would be HALF the money at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

again, Troy might as well delete this thread as the only people it doesn't make sense to is Rick.  we COLLECTIVELY don't understand why you won't get rid of some of your SHIT for this motor.  every toy in my possession would go away for the #'s match transmission in my B5 car OR the motor for my Daytona.  none of us but you understand why you're being weird about this.


keep in mind i'm drunk right now, but that doesn't make me wrong. 


and don't bring up 'telling my mom' because she doesn't why you're being stubborn  about this, either.  she would GLADLY give up parts she doesn't need for her cars AND she's obviously not getting any return on her investment either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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[General_01]

Is this the same guy? The name to call says Frank and he is selling all of his Mopar stash for $15,000.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/989336096.html

[62 Max]

You know,if the damn thing was closer I'd buy it and put it in my truck.

[69_500]

Maxwellwedge have you seen Carl's car (your old 500) since it has been restored. Its a very nice car now.

I think that my wife would have a fit if I bought the engine and just left it in the garage for the next 25 years, but its a thought. But considering our Durango was totalled yesterday today probably wouldn't be the best day to ask about spending that kind of money on it right now.