Help! Take a look at these Block stamps, is this my engine?

[70Sbird]

Help!
I need some opinions.
Quite a while ago I posted a lost and found thread on Moparts, and this week someone e-mailed me and says he thinks he has my Superbird's original block!!!!!
I have been following the other thread about Rick's engine, and it seems now that my original block may have surfaced!The story is that this guy bought this engine a few years ago to build at the Mopar Nats, his buddy found my posting, and this block has my numbers on it.
Here is my question,
The block casting is 11- 10 -69 (or 68, its kind of rough)
Assembly date is 11 24
My cars ship date was supposedly Dec 3rd.. last 8 are 0A170848

These dates seem a little close, and two people have now looked at the pictures of the stamping and are questioning the font etc..
Please take a look at the pictures below and let me know if you think they look ok.
I would hate to have a block that grew my numbers just to increase its value.
I'm not saying that has happened, I just want to be cautious
Any input would be greatly appreciated!

[moparstuart]

 wow hope it really is your block that would be awesome

[hemigeno]

Do you have the original transmission still? 

If so, compare the stamping on the tranny to the engine stamping picture.  If they're not pretty close to identical, there's a good chance it's not an original stamp.  The line worker assigned with stamping the drivetrain combo used the same pneumatic "burp" gun to stamp both assemblies right after one another.  It's possible that the person slightly adjusted the dials between stamping the engine & trans, but usually the alignment of the characters is the same on both pieces.  In any event, the font should be exactly the same.

[BigBlockSam]

 

[tan top]

wow hope it really is your block that would be awesome

    awesome stuff dude  if it is your MIA block     ................................... .

[pettybird]

I don't think so.  Scott and I have been talking about this for the last couple days, and i don't like the font at all.  Here is his picture of "his" block with our yellow car's block here at work.  notice that they're a whopping 32 VIN's apart...

every common letter is different.  My cars at home also look like the inset picture.

[Alaskan_TA]

The font on the engine the guy is offering you is bogus.

Is he in Canada by chance? There was a guy there that contacted a T/A owner a few year ago, same situation. It was a restamp too. If it is the same guy, he hunts for "targets" on the internet in the wanted sections. 

[nascarxx29]

The fonts are the key .If you ask the guy for a paper tracing .And you take a paper tracing from your trans .And hold the 2 up together to a light .It will give it away. I got tracings from original # cars .And ones claiming to be

[CornDogsCharger]

In my opinion the date REALLY appears to be 11.10.68 which would be one year off. 

Justin
"CornDog"

[nascarxx29]

The fonts tell the story the one on the right was from a #s car 

VIN                   NO.  RECEIVED DATE  SHIPPED DATE  REMARKS 
RM23U0A170848  1168     3-Dec                 3-Dec
http://wwnboa.org/cgi-bin/vindb/vindb.cgi?search=170848 

[70Sbird]

Thanks for the responses.
nascarXX29, are you saying that the "410772" on the right is a correct block stamp?
the zeros don't look at all "square" like the others above, but look more oval.
Was there more that one font set for block stampings?
Also, I have been doing some checking on casting dates, Is it reasonable for a block to be cast on Monday Nov. 10th, assembled two weeks later on Monday Nov 24, and bolted into a car a week and a half later on Wednesday December 3rd? (Thanksgiving fell in there somewhere too!)
Any thoughts on this time line.

again I appreciate all the feedback as I don't want to get burned by a re-stamp


P.S. has anyone else seen the "WT(?)" on the ID pad, what is that?

P.P.S. my tranny is long gone as well so I don't have anything to compare it to other than the pic posted above of a car 32 numbers ahead of mine

[nascarxx29]

WT I recall was Water Tested .But it shows as a HEMI engine term

[nascarxx29]

Engine chart 1969 shows the engine you were thinking about that has block number 2536 shows as a July.This is a old book I took this info from dont know if its been updated

[nascarxx29]

Hope those 2 charts better prepare you for engine decoding

[richRTSE]

I could be wrong, but the 2536 you refer to, isn't that just part of the casting number # 2536430 (66-72 440 block)? I thought the build date was stamped on the ID pad? I can't make it out from the picture though...I do know the WT is for water tested.

[richRTSE]

It does look like an F440 stamping which would be right for a '70, but to me the casting date looks like 11-10-68. Sure would be nice if it was your block though.

[70Sbird]

I'm pretty sure the casting date is 69, casting dates can be tough to read, and the letters are not the best as they are constantly re-used. My biggest question is in the stamp on the pan rail of my last eight VIN numbers, and the casting/assembly/installed dates. I'm hoping someone here can tell me if they could be correct, so far the consensus is that this is a bogus number due to the font of the letters.
Anyone else know what they "should" look like?

Thanks
Scott

[Aero426]

Scott, after seeing the font differences, I think you are most likely being played.

[FLG]

Cant say for the stamping but that most deff looks like a 68 not a 69.

[arrow]

The HP2 should be stamped after the date at the front not after the 440 , WT is usually found on service engines .  the WT is where the HP2 usually stamped  . doesnt look right to me

[472 R/T SE]

IMO, the stampings are the least of your worries.  I have to agree with Corndog on that's not even a '69 block.  I'm aware the 8 & 9 are hard to differentiate but that's an 8.  There's a gap on the top right side of the 6, there should be one on the bottom left of the 8.

The "0" is too short and fat along with all the other numerals, they're not elongated like they're suppose to be. 


This guy is trying to pull the wool over your eyes.  If it were me I'd try to get the law involved.  Busy as they may be, this person took your wanted ad numbers and knowingly stamped them.  The fact it's for a wing car most likely drove the scam.  Shame on them.

[Johnnys440Charger]

The font on the engine the guy is offering you is bogus.

Is he in Canada by chance? There was a guy there that contacted a T/A owner a few year ago, same situation. It was a restamp too. If it is the same guy, he hunts for "targets" on the internet in the wanted sections.  

Yup.  I also have an ad on Kijiji in search of my original E 440 engine for my 69 Charger.  I got an e-mail one day from a guy who says he may have my engine.  So I gave him my unlisted number to call me.  So this clown calls me named Fred from Hamilton, Ontario Canada claiming to have my engine.   He wanted me to give him my VIN.  I didn't.   In my discussion with him, I gave him the last number.   He said, "Yup, this engine ends in that number."  When I told him to give me the VIN he had, he wouldn't.  When I asked why?  He didn't answer the question and told me some other garbage about how he was trying to help me.   I told him he's not getting the VIN from me as there are a lot of scammers out there.   He got so pissed at me and then hung up.  I hate idiots like that.  lol.

[tan top]

The font on the engine the guy is offering you is bogus.

Is he in Canada by chance? There was a guy there that contacted a T/A owner a few year ago, same situation. It was a restamp too. If it is the same guy, he hunts for "targets" on the internet in the wanted sections. 

Yup.  I also have an ad on Kijiji in search of my original E 440 engine for my 69 Charger.  I got an e-mail one day from a guy who says he may have my engine.  So I gave him my unlisted number to call me.  So this clown calls me named Fred from Hamilton, Ontario Canada claiming to have my engine.   He wanted me to give him my VIN.  I didn't.   In my dicussion with him, I gave him the last number.   He said, "Yup, this engine ends in that number."  When I told him to give me the VIN he had, he wouldn't.  When I asked why?  He didn't answer the question and told me some other garbage about how he was trying to help me.   I told him he's not getting the VIN from me as there are a lot of scammers out there.   He got so pissed at me and then hung up.  I hate idiots like that.  lol.

damn
should of been the other way round , him telling you the Vin 
clowns like him spoil this hobby for every one ,   

[arrow]

The pad the vin is stamped on looks to smooth in the pic , 

[Moparpoolman]

The pad the vin is stamped on looks to smooth in the pic , 

According to one of Galen's book's WT was stamped on hemi engines and also stamped on warranty blocks which in this case would have a nice smooth BLANK area where the VIN goes, easier to re-stamp.  SO why would an original motor have markings a warranty block has unless it's not original.  I also think it looks like a 68 vs 69 cast date and VIN fonts do look wrong comparing to the ones that are only 32 off of yours from the same Build Plant "A" not to mention that the same numbers I would think should be Identical.  One more thing to add is about the casting number, 2536430 is the part number for a 440 from 1966-1972. the 2536 is not the date code for that motor. I don't think 440 use a 10,000 day calendar date code.

[tyly]

Hi guys, I quote this topic.

What you say those numbers, can those be factory stamps?
Car is -70 Hemi Charger, date code on the block is 1.28.69
This guy, who stamped it, was sure little bit drunk.







This is -70 Hemi too, original??   
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Dodge-Hemi-Charger-1-56-4-speed-cars-/161001039776?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item257c68e7a0

[472 R/T SE]

I'd need a better picture, right off the bat the G looks off.  

I'm not partial to that car by any means either...really.  Pretty sad, I think I miss ol' Blue as much as I do my legs.  

[6PakBee]

Take a look here.

http://www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm

The 69 and later 440's have a stiffening rib on the exterior.

[Homerr]

OP - out of curiosity how much is this seller asking for the block?  It could also show some motivation if it's priced sky high.


I think the great group of guys here have shown it to be a warranty block that the seller stamped.

[r4daytona]

OP - out of curiosity how much is this seller asking for the block?  It could also show some motivation if it's priced sky high.


I think the great group of guys here have shown it to be a warranty block that the seller stamped.

I agree Homerr, very knowledgeable guys here.  Some day if my block pops up I'll be turning here for info.

[maxwellwedge]

Re: OP's pics...  It is a re-stamp. The top pad is all wrong too.....looks like a service block. Block casting dates don't mean too much to me - the casting dates can be all over the map depending where/how it was sitting in the shelving at the engine plant.

[70Sbird]

OP - out of curiosity how much is this seller asking for the block?  It could also show some motivation if it's priced sky high.


I think the great group of guys here have shown it to be a warranty block that the seller stamped.

This guy called me out of the Blue from a Moparts posting (this was in 2008), asking $2,500 for the block.
I told him no thanks!