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Started by skip68, September 05, 2008, 03:18:11 PM

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skip68

This was taken a couple days ago. Our buddy just got his smart car! It's actually a nice lil ride! :2thumbs: Hope the link works! :shruggy: :scratchchin:
Mrs.Skip68 ;)
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PocketThunder

I saw one of those in the cub foods parking lot.  tiny little cars they are! 
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

moparstuart

Quote from: PocketThunder on September 05, 2008, 03:45:45 PM
I saw one of those in the cub foods parking lot.  tiny little cars they are! 
I would hate to get hit by anything big driving that thing you would be dead!!
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

Old Moparz

I recently parked my '04 Ram Quad Cab with an 8' bed next to one.......  :smilielol:


Funny, I just did a quick search & found this comparison.

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/stories/gvb/page1.html

               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry

skip68

My buddy ordered it 10 months ago from Utah, and drove it back. I asked him if the car moved around when a big rig passed by, and he said not more that any average size car. :2thumbs: This is the showroom floor model that is COMPLETLY loaded! Heated seats, GPS, IPOD hookup, the car tells you if your speeding, traction control, sunroof, other stuff, and ..........................this is the kicker,.............STORAGE!!!!!! :rofl: I figured he would have a tuff time getting in the car because he's over 6 foot tall, but surprisingly, there is alot of room! Also, if you get sick of the color, you can buy different colored panels. :yesnod: :smilielol:
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WingCharger

These cars are supposed to revolutionize the way we drive, and make all older vehicle obsolete. I woudnt mind driving one though. :2thumbs:

skip68

Quote from: WingCharger on September 05, 2008, 04:21:37 PM
These cars are supposed to revolutionize the way we drive,

Yeah, my friend drove it on the sidewalk in front of our house!!!! :rofl: :smilielol: :smilielol: :rofl:
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WingCharger

I actually saw a commercial where they say they will revolutionize it. But what about truckers, farmers, and haulers? :P

skip68

Some of the Grocery stores here are putting in "Smart Car" parking spaces! :yesnod:
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Old Moparz

I think the Smart Car is decent & a good idea, but it won't replace everything, & obviously not trucks. It'll have it's niche in the market, probably like how the VW Bug did in the 60's & 70's. The reason I have a full sized truck is to tow the 2 trailers I have. Before I had any trailer, or a kid, I had a regular cab, compact Nissan truck with a 4 cylinder. It served it's purpose to commute in, haul crap from Home Depot, swap meets, & junk yards. I wouldn't mind having a Smart Car as an extra vehicle right now, but I can't afford another purchase like that for a few years.
               Bob               



              Going Nowhere In A Hurry


dodgecharger-fan

Quote from: moparstuart on September 05, 2008, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: PocketThunder on September 05, 2008, 03:45:45 PM
I saw one of those in the cub foods parking lot.  tiny little cars they are! 
I would hate to get hit by anything big driving that thing you would be dead!!


It's basically a roll cage on wheels - even more so - but that's a good point of reference.

Sure, there are some scary pictures floating around of some really nasty crashes involving Smarts, but the outcome wouldn't have been much different in your average grocery getter.
The only fair comparison is the crash tests and these things did very well.

I do think that there's varying opinions on the fuel economy though. I've heard it's not much better than your average grocery getter. I've heard it's much better.
I want to hear from someone who's living with one.

I sat in one at the auto show last year. I'm 6' 2" and about 235 lbs. I fit very comfortably - even had to pull the seat forward a bit.

I've been thinking about one of these for when my daughter starts driving. It'd fit on the driveway........ and that's about the best value point for me with regards to these things.  I could park it behind the New Yorker.... or in it. :lol:

Charger_Fan

They're fun to look at, but I wouldn't want one. I'd rather ride a motorcycle. :)

The Aquamax...yes, this bike spent 2 nights underwater one weekend. (Not my doing), but it gained the name, and has since become pseudo-famous. :)

bull

Brains? I don't know about that. For as small and useless as they are you'd think they'd get better mpg than a Honda Civic hybrid, a Prius or a VW TDI Jetta (all four door cars) but they don't.

PocketThunder

Quote from: CHARGER_FAN on September 05, 2008, 10:40:52 PM
They're fun to look at, but I wouldn't want one. I'd rather ride a motorcycle. :)

That reminds me of the reference to dating a candy coated gal vs riding a moped. 

Grant how have you been man, we dont see you very much over here like we used too.??...?
"Liberalism is a disease that attacks one's ability to understand logic. Extreme manifestations include the willingness to continue down a path of self destruction, based solely on a delusional belief in a failed ideology."

LoneStar Mopar

Hey, does that thing have a Hemi?  Kind of reminds me of a BMW Isetta.

dkn1997

gas savings just arent worth your life. 
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bull

Quote from: dkn1997 on September 06, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
gas savings just arent worth your life. 

That's not even the point, in fact it's quite the opposite of what you'd think. They do great in crash tests but the mileage sucks IMO compared to some real cars that can actually be used to haul familes around without making you look like a circus attraction. A better way to say it is gas savings just aren't worth your pride.

bear

I would hate to get in a crash with one of them let alone be by one when it crashed. I think I'll stick to big vehicles I don't care that I am not getting super high gas mileage ratings I would rather be able to walk away from a crash with my life then save the environment I'll never see again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz-s1sIoLhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
I wonder if I can push one over by myself :scratchchin:

dkn1997

Quote from: bull on September 06, 2008, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: dkn1997 on September 06, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
gas savings just arent worth your life. 

That's not even the point, in fact it's quite the opposite of what you'd think. They do great in crash tests but the mileage sucks IMO compared to some real cars that can actually be used to haul familes around without making you look like a circus attraction. A better way to say it is gas savings just aren't worth your pride.

I don't care what tests anyone shows me. no way you are living through a wreck in that shoebox.   reminds me of something my dad taught me when I was about 11 years old.  We were avid boaters and I had just completed my boaters safety course.  we were out and I preceded to tell him all of the boating rules he was violating.  He just turned to me and said 'There is only one rule out here:  Big boats eat little boats" 
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bull

Quote from: dkn1997 on September 06, 2008, 07:25:51 PM
Quote from: bull on September 06, 2008, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: dkn1997 on September 06, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
gas savings just arent worth your life.

That's not even the point, in fact it's quite the opposite of what you'd think. They do great in crash tests but the mileage sucks IMO compared to some real cars that can actually be used to haul familes around without making you look like a circus attraction. A better way to say it is gas savings just aren't worth your pride.

I don't care what tests anyone shows me. no way you are living through a wreck in that shoebox. reminds me of something my dad taught me when I was about 11 years old. We were avid boaters and I had just completed my boaters safety course. we were out and I preceded to tell him all of the boating rules he was violating. He just turned to me and said 'There is only one rule out here: Big boats eat little boats"

I hear you dude, I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that's not the main reason I wouldn't buy it. Its main flaw IMO is the size/mpg ratio. The thing should get like 80 mpg if it's going to be the size of a wheelbarrow and yet it doesn't even do better than a VW Jetta TDI.

A turbo diesel Jetta 5 speed gets around 42 mpg combined so why buy a Smart and get 38?


dkn1997

Quote from: bull on September 06, 2008, 10:34:41 PM

.....I hear you dude, I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that's not the main reason I wouldn't buy it. Its main flaw IMO is the size/mpg ratio.


your right, it should get better mileage, but I disagree on that being it's main flaw.  Besides getting killed in it, the biggest deal breaker for me is it's sheer unadulterated GAYNESS.  I'd have to go to the vet and get neutered before I drove that thing. 
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mikesbbody

Quote from: dkn1997 on September 06, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
gas savings just arent worth your life. 
so true! i wouldnt be seen dead in one of those  :yesnod: G.A.Y... (the car not me  :lol:)

Mike DC

 

Safety?


Guys like us will drive cars with bad brakes, bad steering, bad wiring, lightened front ends, unpadded rollcages, no shoulder belts . . . We're pretty selective about wanting safety when it allows us to rule out a boring uncool econobox. 


Just 6T9 CHGR

Believe it or not those cars fair very well in crash tests....the whole car is one big steel cage.
There was one at this years Chryslers @ Carlisle...the only one in its class called "Friends of Chrysler" or some BS like that
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


Jon Smith

they're way safer than the 40 year old musclecars we all drive..chargers fold up like a a paper bag if they hit something solid, this is the wrong board to talk about safety  :lol:





still dont want one though :eek2:

WingCharger

Ill just drive our '83 VW 4-Door Diesel Rabbit-L instead of spending money on a car that couldnt freakin hold a toolbox. Now, just need to get the rabbit running... :scratchchin:

NHCharger

I agree with Bull. That thing should be getting way better gas mileage. My wifes Scion XB shoebox gets 37 MPG, and it can haul way more than that motorized roller skate.
Also the smart car is made with a high percentage of recycled materials, which appeals to the tree hugger crowd.
How much does one of those smart cars cost?
72 Charger- Base Model
68 Charger-R/T Clone
69 Charger Daytona clone
79 Lil Red Express - future money pit
88 Ramcharger 4x4- current money pit
55 Dodge Royal 2 door - wife's money pit
2014 RAM 2500HD Diesel

dkn1997

I'd like to buy 5 or 6 of them and get a huge piece of land out in the country.  Then my buddies and I could play real life bumper cars. 
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Khyron

what do you mean, those things are so powerful they can do awsome wheelies  :D




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skip68

WOW!  :o Who knew this thread would be so controversial! :shruggy: :o I just thought the picture I took was funny & cute! :scratchchin:
Mrs.Skip68 ;)
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bull

Quote from: skip68 on September 07, 2008, 03:40:25 PM
WOW!  :o Who knew this thread would be so controversial! :shruggy: :o I just thought the picture I took was funny & cute! :scratchchin:
Mrs.Skip68 ;)

I'm constantly surprised at what causes a stir here. At least half the time it's not what you think it would be.

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The70RT

The Charger may fold up like a paper bag but that absorbs the impact. There is no crumple zones on those things. If everyone was driving them then yeah....but there will always be trucks on the road though anyway. The only thing that absorbs the impact are the passengers not the PU that hits you head on.
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skip68

To answer a question & update:

The smart car that my buddy has gets 53 MPG! :2thumbs:

It cost him  $22,800 LOADED! :scratchchin:  Not bad in my opinion, because i've been in it and it's a great car! :yesnod:

Surprisingly, there IS alot of room! Go to a dealer and check one out! (Mercedes makes this one!) :D
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skip68

 :rotz:  I'll keep my not so smart charger at 10-14 mpg.   ;)
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Mike DC

With all due respect to Smart car owners, it's not the real widespread solution. 

We don't need a few tiny cars, we need the size of the entire American fleet shrunk down in a practical way.  Most of the SUV market should bite the bullet and get smaller minivans/wagons.  Little 4cyl unibody trucks (like the old Dodge Rampage or a tiny El Camino) should outnumber the real pickups about 5 to 1.  And two thirds of what we use 18-wheelers for should be done with trains.


Brock Samson

They've been selling tons of these Smart cars in Europe for many years now, no big whoop,..
There's now quite a few of them here in SF... allot of the parking spaces here simply are too small to handle even a compact car between driveways here in the residential districts where the garages are actually converted stables. I'm sure the buyers of these short vehicles appreciate they can actually park one in front of their homes and are willing to forgo a back seat and trunk...
when they first arrived on the scene they were to retail at near to $15 K.
I guess they've gone (way) up,.. perhaps your friend paid a premuim to be the first on the block...  :shruggy:
  No way would I want one. especially at near $'23K. :rotz:
i think you can get a new Chally for that much.  :icon_smile_wink:

bull

Quote from: The70RT on September 07, 2008, 09:51:23 PM
The Charger may fold up like a paper bag but that absorbs the impact. There is no crumple zones on those things. If everyone was driving them then yeah....but there will always be trucks on the road though anyway. The only thing that absorbs the impact are the passengers not the PU that hits you head on.

Did you happen to see those crash test videos linked on page 1? The Smart car does "well" in crash tests in that the driver's area was not damaged but did you see the rebound? It looked like they bounced a volleyball off a concrete wall. The dummy's head smacked the steering wheel through the air bag. :o

Hey, I don't mind going smaller with our US "fleet" if that's what's got to be done but the only concern I have is where do we go after that? If we all want to get 40 mpg now when gas is at $3.50/gal what happens when it goes up to $7/gal? As bad as we are at playing catch up it stands to reason that we're never really going to get ahead of this problem. And maybe that's by design.

Orange_Crush

The Smart is not meant to be (nor was it designed to be) a highway car.  Smarts really do not have any place in the suburbs or the country. 

The Smart was designed as a "city car."  A solution to a transportation problem posed by narrow streets and a lack of parking in places like Paris, London, Berlin, etc.

As such, it also works well in places like Chicago, NY, Toronto, etc.  That is why they have sold craploads of them in Europe.

I ain't got time for pain, the only pain I got time for is the pain i put on fools how don't know what time it is.

Chris G.

Quote from: skip68 on September 07, 2008, 10:05:27 PM
It cost him  $22,800 LOADED!

Please define "Loaded". In my eyes the word Loaded and Smart Cars just don't go together. I mean what's it got, power windows and A/C? What else could it have?  :shruggy:

ps- My Mother's 1990 Geo was advertised new at 52 MPG. I inherited the beast, and it's over 200K now. The MPG has dropped, but it's still no gas saving slouch.

41husk

23k ? 09 Challenger or smart car :scratchchin: I think its a no brainer for me :shruggy: Im sure the cool factor is the same for both :smilielol:
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1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
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1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

Mike DC

       
QuoteIf we all want to get 40mpg when gas is $3.50/gal then what happens when it's $7.50/gal?

It'll be at $7.50/gal before we get the current fleet rotated out to cope with $3.50/gal.  Maybe even higher.


We're not gonna solve this with anything less than a radical reduction in our energy consumption.  It means lifestyle compromises.  It won't matter who we elect or what treatys & trade agreements we make.  The problem is too large. 


Lowprofile

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on September 07, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
With all due respect to Smart car owners, it's not the real widespread solution. 

We don't need a few tiny cars, we need the size of the entire American fleet shrunk down in a practical way.  Most of the SUV market should bite the bullet and get smaller minivans/wagons.  Little 4cyl unibody trucks (like the old Dodge Rampage or a tiny El Camino) should outnumber the real pickups about 5 to 1.  And two thirds of what we use 18-wheelers for should be done with trains.



Whatever happened to freedom of choice? Personally, I have no use for any mini-car, But god bless those of you who do. If it costs me more for fuel, I guess thats my problem. When it gets too much, I'll ride my motorcycle when I can. Depending on who you believe, Either we have a 300+ year supply of oil/natural gas, or the world is going to end next Thursday.   :whistling: :ohhthesarcasm:  In 20-30 years, this will all be a moot point, because the technology we need will be in full use and the dinosaurs we drive now will be museum pieces or in the crusher. For now, we need to stop whining, drill all we can, build some new refineries, some new Nuc plants, and get all this "Green"Technology up and running ASAP! We need it all.

As far as the Trains vs. Trucks argument........thats just a pipe dream. We live in a J.I.T society [just in time] That is how this economy runs. People will not wait days or weeks for things to be delievered. Its a job only trucks can do.
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1970 Dodge Charger R/T
1993 Dodge Ram Charger
1998 Freightliner Classic XL

41husk

Simple things like car pooling can make a difference in energy consumption, but the majority of us like the freedom and independence of driving our own vehicles.  Simply put Americans or spoiled.  I remember when I was a kid, a family with more than one car was wealthy.  Today I have 3 hobby cars and a truck, my wife has her mini van, my son has a pickup and a car and my daughter has a car.  There are at least 4 people that teach at the same school not more than a mile away (maybe more) and we all drive our own vehicle to school.
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

Mike DC

QuoteWhatever happened to freedom of choice? Personally, I have no use for any mini-car, But god bless those of you who do. If it costs me more for fuel, I guess thats my problem. When it gets too much, I'll ride my motorcycle when I can. Depending on who you believe, Either we have a 300+ year supply of oil/natural gas, or the world is going to end next Thursday.   whistling ohhthesarcasm  In 20-30 years, this will all be a moot point, because the technology we need will be in full use and the dinosaurs we drive now will be museum pieces or in the crusher. For now, we need to stop whining, drill all we can, build some new refineries, some new Nuc plants, and get all this "Green"Technology up and running ASAP! We need it all.

As far as the Trains vs. Trucks argument........thats just a pipe dream. We live in a J.I.T society [just in time] That is how this economy runs. People will not wait days or weeks for things to be delievered. Its a job only trucks can do.

I'm not saying we need to govt-mandate smaller cars.  I want nothing of the sort personally. 



We can keep demanding our God-given right to drive 4400-pound trucks on $2-3/gallon gasoline, but we can't double the amount of accessible light crude oil that remains on earth.  Alaskan drilling, alternatives like biodiesel, hybrid/electric cars, renewable energy sources . . . we'll start doing all these things, and it probably won't even be enough to save us from a hard economic hit (let alone improve our situation). 

It's just the raw numbers.  A couple billion more people on earth are gearing up to want their first car.  Trying to get our 4400-pound trucks back running on $2/gallon gas again . . .  it's trying to make 1+1=5.



We have a choice:  Higher gas prices, much higher vehicle purchase/ownership costs, or much smaller vehicles. 

I'd choose the higher gas prices out of those three. 



71_Charger_R/T

Maybe I'll buy in when these come out!  Too bad none are Mopars.









derailed

Quote from: Lowprofile on September 10, 2008, 04:22:22 AM
As far as the Trains vs. Trucks argument........thats just a pipe dream. We live in a J.I.T society [just in time] That is how this economy runs. People will not wait days or weeks for things to be delievered. Its a job only trucks can do.
There getting bigger everyday bro  :poke:  ;)

Mike DC

Trains won't exactly put trucks out of business, but we need so much more train usage in America it's not even funny. 


The only reason trains look impractical is because we've let the train infrastructure slide out of gear for the last half-century.  Most of the 1st-world westernized nations on earth are kicking our asses on all this stuff.  They're not making a bunch of big sacrifices in price or convenience, their systems are just built better. 


Arthu®

Quote from: Orange_Crush on September 08, 2008, 09:21:42 AM
The Smart is not meant to be (nor was it designed to be) a highway car.  Smarts really do not have any place in the suburbs or the country. 

The Smart was designed as a "city car."  A solution to a transportation problem posed by narrow streets and a lack of parking in places like Paris, London, Berlin, etc.

As such, it also works well in places like Chicago, NY, Toronto, etc.  That is why they have sold craploads of them in Europe.



That's exactly what the smart car is built for. It's not MPG, it's just that is small and easy to park. I would 10.000x rather be in that car than in a Charger finding a parking spot in Amsterdam. Would I buy one, no probably not, it's not really my style. But if you live in the city and have to travel through the city every day I can understand why you would buy one.

Arthur
Striving for world domination since 1986

WingCharger

Now, if only I could find a El Camino that I wouldnt be afraid or driving everyday or during the winter.  :think: They have become just like Charger. Muscle cars that have no chance of ever being driven daily. :icon_smile_big:

Finn

Load up the bed with sandbags.
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1963 Plymouth Savoy 225 with a 3 on the tree.
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WingCharger

Quote from: Finn on September 14, 2008, 02:09:30 PM
Load up the bed with sandbags.

I know a person who does that in the winter on their S10. :smilielol: I do like El Camino's though. :coolgleamA:

Arthu®

WingCharger, I don't know you personally and I don't come around the board often anymore, but you have to take it easy my friend. I don't want to make this into a bashing thread, but that last post was the only somewhat relevant post you made in this thread. It goes from C-bodies to Rabbits to ElCaminos... I from experience (I too joined when I was about 14 years old) can tell you that you are going to be much more appreciated if you make 5 posts a day that really have a thought/research/well structured opinion/or really anything else that doesn't seem like it is something you just thought up that very second in it rather than 60 a day with statements like:

QuoteNow, if only I could find a El Camino that I wouldnt be afraid or driving everyday or during the winter.  think They have become just like Charger. Muscle cars that have no chance of ever being driven daily. icon_smile_big

Think about, I'm not trying to be an ass, maybe I am, but try to become a real member of this board. Cody has seem to have done the trick, he once was quite like yourself, he now seems to have gained some respect.

Arthur
Striving for world domination since 1986

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: Arthu® on September 14, 2008, 03:00:15 PM
WingCharger, I don't know you personally and I don't come around the board often anymore, but you have to take it easy my friend. I don't want to make this into a bashing thread, but that last post was the only somewhat relevant post you made in this thread. It goes from C-bodies to Rabbits to ElCaminos... I from experience (I too joined when I was about 14 years old) can tell you that you are going to be much more appreciated if you make 5 posts a day that really have a thought/research/well structured opinion/or really anything else that doesn't seem like it is something you just thought up that very second in it rather than 60 a day with statements like:

QuoteNow, if only I could find a El Camino that I wouldnt be afraid or driving everyday or during the winter.  think They have become just like Charger. Muscle cars that have no chance of ever being driven daily. icon_smile_big

Think about, I'm not trying to be an ass, maybe I am, but try to become a real member of this board. Cody has seem to have done the trick, he once was quite like yourself, he now seems to have gained some respect.

Arthur

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A little thought before posting, instead of talk about wanting to clone eveything ever built would be good too!!  :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:
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68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............