Latch tray bolt length? Update: Cheap source for these bolts...

[Daytona R/T SE]

I'm about to order the bolts to hold down my latch tray. I know from is thread:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18978.0.html

that they should be 1/4-20 with a loose washer and a 7/16 head...

My question is what length should they be?  I'm planning on ordering them from R/T specialties...

If somebody could point out which ones to order that would be great

[nascarxx29]

I rememeber them being less than a inch maybe.They had the captured washer with the anchor logo on the top.It might be mentioned in this link on daytona details

http://wwnboa.org/daytdetpt2.htm

[Daytona R/T SE]

I checked the Daytona details page before posting this-if it's mentioned there, I missed it...

[nascarxx29]

This page if from a reference chart for a 69 daytona restorer the center bolt on first line maybe the latchtray one

[hemigeno]

I thought Badalson had a latch tray fastener set that he sold?  It's been a while since I went through his catalog stuff though.  Might be worth checking out, just in case my vague recollection turns out not to be too far off base...   

[A383Wing]

This page if from a reference chart for a 69 daytona restorer the center bolt on first line maybe the latchtray one

Yup...that's the one in the center

Bryan

[Daytona R/T SE]

Ok, Guys-thanks for the info. I think I've found it-this one is 1/4-20 by 15/16ths long

(This picture shamelessly swiped from R/T Specialtie's website)

Whady'all think? 

[Daytona R/T SE]

Or...Could it be the 3/4 

Again,this pic was shamelessly swiped from R/T Specialtie's website 

[nascarxx29]

when I got them I found them at Auveco fastners but you had to buy a whole box

[BigBlockSam]

i used 1/4 inch on mine

[gtx6970]

when I got them I found them at Auveco fastners but you had to buy a whole box

Auveco fasteners are no where near OE correct

[gtx6970]

that they should be 1/4-20 with a loose washer and a 7/16 head...

[62 Max]

Really makes no difference in length if the head is correct.Its all under the latch tray anyway,you can't see them.If you can find a Wesco distributor,you can buy a box of 50 #. 735 loose washer,correct length for around $7.00

[Hemi_tyme]

Really makes no difference in length if the head is correct.Its all under the latch tray anyway,you can't see them.If you can find a Wesco distributor,you can buy a box of 50 #. 735 loose washer,correct length for around $7.00

Hey 62, Do they have the correct head? I looked all over the internet and couldn't find a wesco distributor in my area. Any web sites ? Thanks Ken

[Daytona R/T SE]

Hey 62, Do they have the correct head? I looked all over the internet and couldn't find a wesco distributor in my area. Any web sites ? Thanks Ken

   What he said 

[moparstuart]

 i would like a box of those also !!!!

[BigBlockSam]

try a bodyshop distributor.

[62 Max]

try a bodyshop distributor.

Wesco Fasteners is in NJ.  Body shop supply distributor.

[nascarxx29]

I seen a place called Wesco in Washington Twp Turnersville NJ.Is that where there located .I seen this place in a industrial park near me never been there or in it

[62 Max]

Thats it,now you can get rich!

[Daytona R/T SE]

I found a cheap source for these bolts. They are NOT OEM correct, so I wouldn't use them on an original wing car,(Purists BEWARE) but since my car is a clone, and I'm a tight-ass and R/T specialties wants a buck a bolt, I've been looking around....

I found something REAL close here: http://www.fastenal.com/

It's a 1/4-20 with a captive 3/4" washer, 7/16th head, 7/8" long with a "dog" point on the end...black....close enough for me..

They have a store here locally that just opened up a while ago.

Went in, checked them out...

$13 bucks for a box of 50 

Yes they are AUVECO brand, not "correct" but close enough for us Cloners...

[nascarxx29]

I think it was 62 Max told us about Westco co fasteners.I never used them or know there prices

[maxwellwedge]

Well - Disco has the bolts as shown above with the captive washer around the same diameter as the head. Doc has a way larger diameter washer. I can measure the both and post sizes, head markings if you want.

[moparstuart]

Well - Disco has the bolts as shown above with the captive washer around the same diameter as the head. Doc has a way larger diameter washer. I can measure the both and post sizes, head markings if you want.

pictures please

[johntpr]

Frank Badalson sells a whole kit with right bolts and J nuts. They are in his catalog.     www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com

[maxwellwedge]

Well - Disco has the bolts as shown above with the captive washer around the same diameter as the head. Doc has a way larger diameter washer. I can measure the both and post sizes, head markings if you want.

OK - Had to run out to my shop and had a quick peek. Disco-Tona (small washer) has ELH head markings. I can give a guess for know and say other markings were probably used as well.

[maxwellwedge]

Frank Badalson sells a whole kit with right bolts and J nuts. They are in his catalog.     www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com

What do you have on your cars Big John?

[gtx6970]

3/4" washer on the left - 5/8" washer on the right - both 1/4-20 x3/4" length with a pilot point both in stock at $1 each

[CornDogsCharger]

The latch tray on the car that I am restoring was missing about 4-5 of these bolts.  I'll check the heads on the bolts that were removed.  I'm not positive, but I think they had the bolts pictured on the right in the photo above.  The not had been swapped out at one point so it's hard to say if they were original.  I'm glad I stumbled on this topic because I have been playing "correct" nut and bolt search all day today

Justin
"CornDog"

[maxwellwedge]

The latch tray on the car that I am restoring was missing about 4-5 of these bolts.  I'll check the heads on the bolts that were removed.  I'm not positive, but I think they had the bolts pictured on the right in the photo above.  The not had been swapped out at one point so it's hard to say if they were original.  I'm glad I stumbled on this topic because I have been playing "correct" nut and bolt search all day today

Justin
"CornDog"

We are talking Daytona here - I'll check the ones on my Bird for you.

[CornDogsCharger]

Oh, ok... cool, thanks

Justin
"CornDog"

[maxwellwedge]

Oh, ok... cool, thanks

Justin
"CornDog"

No Prob - not sure if they use the same stuff so a look is in order.

[maxwellwedge]

Oh, ok... cool, thanks

Justin
"CornDog"

No Prob - not sure if they use the same stuff so a look is in order.

Hi Justin,
My Bird isn't home yet but Frank Badalson says the Bird's usually have the same bolts as the Daytona's.
Jim

[CornDogsCharger]

I checked and the bolts that were in the Superbird that I am restoring had the anchor on top... but there were two different sizes.  I still need four of these bolts if anyone has spares. 







The next picture was taken from an unrestored Superbird that I looked at yesterday.  These did not have the anchor design but had a "M" instead.



Justin
"CornDog"

[Aero426]

My Bird has the anchor bolts on the latch tray.

[XS29J]

mine has the ANCHOR and a few SEMS

[gtx6970]

all avail
M - 7/8" length with 3/4" washer

[gtx6970]

anchor - 3/4" length with 3/4" washer

[gtx6970]

anchor - 3/4" length with 5/8" washer

[gtx6970]

ELH - 3/4" length - with 5/8" washer

[gtx6970]

Question is, if buildings kits for these , which one do I use ? or should it be a mixture of maybe 2 ? or maybe 3 ?

obviously they used what ever was avail

[maxwellwedge]

Question is, if buildings kits for these , which one do I use ? or should it be a mixture of maybe 2 ? or maybe 3 ?

obviously they used what ever was avail

They really had no rhyme nor reason. In the first pic the washer is the same diameter as the head. This is typical on a bunch of Daytona's and Birds we have seen as well.

[CornDogsCharger]

This is what Dave Patik told me.  When the crew was buildding the Superbirds (I'm sure Daytonas too), the crewmen each work a tool belt with many pouches.  When installing a part, the man would reach into his pouch belt, bull out a bolt or nut and zip it into the panel.  Dave said that it was common to him mismatched bolts.  On the Vit C car that I am restoring, the hood hinges had never been removed.  It had three different style bolts. 

Justin
"CornDog"

[maxwellwedge]

Hood hinges usually have different bolts - small and large washer - On most stuff I have/had/seen.

[r4daytona]

So I've read this and am still confused.  Is there a general consensus as to which latch tray bolt would be considered the most correct to have?  If so, which?  Anchor, sems, ELH

[maxwellwedge]

If yours are missing - then all bets are off as to what was originally on there. In that case - I would just get a complete set from Frank and be done with it. He has seen at least as many original cars as anyone else and probably has the "typically" seen fasteners in his sets. 

[DoubleDlover]

hi. I just looked though his whole catalog. I didn't see superbird latch tray bolts hardware anywere in there. Maybe they are discontinued not avalible anymore??

[r4daytona]

If yours are missing - then all bets are off as to what was originally on there. In that case - I would just get a complete set from Frank and be done with it. He has seen at least as many original cars as anyone else and probably has the "typically" seen fasteners in his sets. 

Yes, mine were missing.  ALL of the hardware for my nose was gone.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but they look like nothing more than a body/fender bolt in shape however, they have the head markings??  I did look on Badalson's site and didn't find the hardware either.   Guess I might just find some small washer body/fender bolts and make due with that until something more accurate comes along.  What would an unoffical poll from you guys think of that approach ??

[DAY CLONA]

mine has the ANCHOR and a few SEMS

I supply the SEMS 1/4-20x1" w/ 5/8" captive spinning washer with my steel repro latch trays, Dorman PN# 700-300 box of 25, $10 from Autozone, CARQUEST, NAPA


mike

[maxwellwedge]

hi. I just looked though his whole catalog. I didn't see superbird latch tray bolts hardware anywere in there. Maybe they are discontinued not avalible anymore??

If you call or email him he will have them - his catalog is big and he doesn't list everything he has. I'll email him and post the results.

[62 Max]

mine has the ANCHOR and a few SEMS

I supply the SEMS 1/4-20x1" w/ 5/8" captive spinning washer with my steel repro latch trays, Dorman PN# 700-300 box of 25, $10 from Autozone, CARQUEST, NAPA


mike

Or Wesco # 935 loose washer,1/4-20x3/4,last box from my local body shop supplier was $7.50 for box of 50 !

[maxwellwedge]

hi. I just looked though his whole catalog. I didn't see superbird latch tray bolts hardware anywere in there. Maybe they are discontinued not avalible anymore??

If you call or email him he will have them - his catalog is big and he doesn't list everything he has. I'll email him and post the results.

Here is what Frank sent me....   sure do.....$50/set....all original stuff...............they can call 804 275 2155/fax 804 275 1969/ or e mail  sixpackfrank@aol.com  

And this is from me: These are for those that want the correct stuff. For those that don't - please don't whine about the price....Lol  

[A383Wing]

Or Wesco # 935 loose washer,1/4-20x3/4,last box from my local body shop supplier was $7.50 for box of 50 !

I think that's what I did on mine...local and in stock

[Arnie Cunningham]

I am glad this subject came up again and answered my question about the various lengths.  I took several dozen of these from the fenderwell and grill area of my 70 New Yorker when I put my car back together.