Hey you new Challenger owners!

[1969chargerrtse]

Hey you new challenger owners!  I was at a great car show this weekend, and there sat a new Orange SRT Challenger with sunroof.  I gotta tell you I was very impressed.  The car just screemed quality.  It truly looked fantastic.  The new owner loved it.  Like most people, I've seen pictures and thought it was O.K , but up close was awesome.  Well done Ma Mopar.    Anyone feel the same way that you were pleasantly surprised after viewing it in carson?

[SchaefMan]

I agree. Here in the Chicago area, we have had a few new Challengers at the Friday Cruise Night. I have seen a few in the orange, too, but it is simply awesome in black.

[WINGR]

I too agree that they are a sweet car. I live in the Metro Detroit area and we are starting to see some of the 09 models now. I have seen a red one with the 71 side stripes cruising and a darkblue at the Dodge display at the "Woodward Dream Cruise". At a local dealership in Plymouth they a white one on there outdoor display rack. I would assume the availability of the white paint color may be somewhat influenced by us V-Point fans. Of course they all  look awesome.There were quite a few of the black and Hemi-Orange SRT's down there as well.

WINGR

[Chatt69chgr]

There is a black SRT8 at the Chattanooga dealership (with a $15K market adjustment added on) and a hemi orange one at the dealership in Ringgold.  They really look good in person.  I sat in the one in Ringgold and is is very impressive.

[G-man]

It will never be a real muscle car. Imitation sure, but thats all it will ever be.

[1969chargerrtse]

It will never be a real muscle car. Imitation sure, but thats all it will ever be.

What on earth would make you think that?   It can out perform many muscles cars of the 60's and 70's. 

[ITSA426]

It will never be a real muscle car. Imitation sure, but thats all it will ever be.

There's someone that needs to try the SRT track experience.

[Troy]

It will never be a real muscle car. Imitation sure, but thats all it will ever be.

Says the guy who is cutting up his "real muscle car" to make something that never existed (for the second time)...

and also rips apart anyone using stock wheels and tires...

and basically wants everything in a classic muscle car to be new...



As for the new Challenger, try backing one up. I like them ok but I'm not willing to overpay for one. Maybe when the price becomes "reasonable". The SRTs certainly perform well - and I could probably get into lots of trouble with one.

Troy

[charger_fan_4ever]

It will never be a real muscle car. Imitation sure, but thats all it will ever be.

I agree with you. I saw one at a car show here last weekend. It was parked beside a 70 AAR cuda. Not in the same league at all. Up here i have seen the new srt's with a $55K sticker price. At this same show was a real black on black 70 challenger RT 440 4 speed on the road for 26k obo. I don't know about you, but i'd be all over the real challenger 4 gear before the revamped one.

Plus in 5 years the new challenger will be worth what 15-20k maybe.

Don't get me wrong i think they are nice, but not in the same league as the originals.

[keepat]

I like it!  and I would buy another. At MSRP it's a great buy!
Pat

[1969chargerrtse]

It will never be a real muscle car. Imitation sure, but thats all it will ever be.

I agree with you. I saw one at a car show here last weekend. It was parked beside a 70 AAR cuda. Not in the same league at all. Up here i have seen the new srt's with a $55K sticker price. At this same show was a real black on black 70 challenger RT 440 4 speed on the road for 26k obo. I don't know about you, but i'd be all over the real challenger 4 gear before the revamped one.

Plus in 5 years the new challenger will be worth what 15-20k maybe.

Don't get me wrong i think they are nice, but not in the same league as the originals.

Hey I love the originals, I have one.  But, that new Challenger with what 425hp+  6 speed would beat the original in all categories, 1/4 time, braking, handling, comfort, top end, stereo, GPS, moon roof, seats, paint, structure, bla bla bla, and this is the first year.  Wait until a conv, scoop and stripes,more aggressive options come in the next few years.  To say it's not really a Muscle car, sorry can't agree. 

[RallyeMike]

The "real" muscle cars handled and braked like crap, had a limited warranty, required constant tuning, and had poor rust protection. It's definitely not one of those !

[charger_fan_4ever]

For sure performance wise the srt is superior, but i don't think many guys buy the 60's-70's musclecars (r/t's, aar's, ss', z /28's) for performance or to thrash.
I have a fox body mustang with a well built 351W that runs bottom 11's all day long n/a that would run circles around my 70 r/t (once the r/t is on the road ) Dollar for dollar pretty hard to beat an 03 cobra with exhaust, smaller pullies, tune.

Point being you can take any newer ponycar and modify it for cheap and they will outrun the older musclecars in all areas with ease, but they just can't replace that classic car style,feel, look and value.

The challenger does look better in person.

We all have our own opinions, it would be boring if everyone agreed

[Aero426]

No doubt it's a nice car, but I just can't get over how BIG it is.  It's like that hot girl in high school who put on 40 lbs.   Look at the thing.  It's as big as the '68 Charger !!!     I don't dislike the car, but I'd take the Mustang hands down as it's a little more true to the original idea.

[G-man]

Some people must of mis-understood what I was saying.

When I refer to a muscle car I dont mean "power and fast". I mean, Steel, looks like its got balls, sounds like its got them, 15" rims with big meats. 425Hp will beat any old car down the quarter? Howmuch does it cost? for 8k into motor id love to see that challenger even come close to an old one.

Old car will always stay real, new car will just be new car. New cars fast for 40 000+ stick 40 000 into an old one and ul see 8 second quarters.

So that argument doesnt work.

Drive down a street with these new "Hemi challengers" drive down the street with a 426 hemi 70 Challenger... I know what everyone would look at NOT the new one. This new one is going to end up like every other new car, whether Jap import or not, its just an every day car while the muscle cars are still the classics that get taken out on weekends that turn heads.

Wait for 5 years then ul see the prices of the new ones and old ones, then remember what I said here.

[keepat]

No question, it's a mid size car like the Charger. And the Shelby is small like a 1967 Shelby, My 6' son can't fit in the back seat of the Shelby but has room in the Challenger.
Pat

[TheGhost]

Drive down a street with these new "Hemi challengers" drive down the street with a 426 hemi 70 Challenger... I know what everyone would look at NOT the new one.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd snap my neck at both cars.


And remember, back in the 60s and 70s, when Muscle cars were new, they were just "new" cars, too.

[Aero426]

No question, it's a mid size car like the Charger. And the Shelby is small like a 1967 Shelby, My 6' son can't fit in the back seat of the Shelby but has room in the Challenger.
Pat

Well it looks like you have the best of all three worlds then.   

[E5 Charger]

I love the old Challengers and love the new! I've seen a couple in person and think Mopar did an awesome job with the new one. I disagree they will loose their value, I think the SRTs will be very collectable. I saw one in a dealership and they were asking $70,000, (in Canada) way too much if you ask me. That's 20 over sticker.

[4cruzin]

I think they're cool and all but I like the silver one the best!!  Very cool!   

[moparstuart]

You have to also remember that when our old muscle cars where new just a years or two later the market dropped out on them also !
Gas prices and insurance killed there resale value . It also killed muscle cars .  So these cars may drop in value but they will come back up especially if the bad market kills them and make them rare in the future .  I love the new challenger been paying for a 2dr RWD chrysler for years.   

[Chris G.]

New cars fast for 40 000+ stick 40 000 into an old one and ul see 8 second quarters.

Even Shiloh found your whole statement a little kooky.

Find me an 8 second car that you could drive from Jersey to California with the A/C blasting all the way there. Your comparison is non-existent.

[68RT4ME]

Of course the new Challenger will lose some value initially but just like the classic Muscle cars, they will over time become sought after. You cannot compare a 40 yr old classic car to new one just yet as for collectability but for performance, which is what a classic muscle car was suppose to give you back then, todays version can out do those in every way. That surely makes them "Muscle cars" but with so much more comfort and convenience. Don't you think if they could have done it that way back then they wouldn't have? We can't predict what a car's worth will be in the future but, to simply say it won't amount to much is not smart. No one thought back then that todays classics would be just that. They were just cars to beat on and thrash. Very few saved them for what they may have become. todays cars won't be any different.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Just seems that since that the last cars to be worth something was like 73-74. Chrysler,gm,ford has made some rare cars since then, but simply didn't hold the value.

76-80 Volare rr,apen r/t, kit car for example value?......

79 ford mustang pace cars value ?...... 93 mustang cobra rare less than 2000 built worth 10-12k now if they are original and mint.

early 80 camaro Z/28 camaros with the cross ram intakes value...... 86 monte aero coupe like 1000 built for nascar value now $8k for a nice one.


I just can't see how the challenger will be any different.

[68RT4ME]

Those cars you mention were really nothing more than decal packaged cars with very low HP and overall performance. Decals alone won't ensure a collector every time. The New Challenger however is a preformance car and can back it up. It's currently not all dolled up with decals and such but rest assured, it will have them before long in keeping with it's retro styling but, will also still be able to back up the talk.

[hemigeno]

Wait for 5 years then ul see the prices of the new ones and old ones, then remember what I said here.

Don't forget what the value of our beloved musclecars were when THEY were 5 years old cars.  EPA/Insurance regulations effectively ended the musclecar era, and the gas crisis made sure it wouldn't come back anytime soon.

No political intonations meant here, but two of the same three major factors (you can guess which two I am thinking of) could play a role in eliminating any "modern musclecar" era.  Add 40 years of time, and the value of that SRT Challenger could easily approach Returns On Investment levels of the fairly common Challenger R/Ts of the heyday.

Personally, I'll still prefer the old stuff since I enjoy turning wrenches on stuff more than watching the stealership guys plug in a computer diagnostic machine.  My wife?  She'd trade either of my two cars for an SRT Challenger in a heartbeat.  To each his own.

[charger_fan_4ever]

I will say though finally Chrysler is back in the game. While gm and ford were battling and selling 100's of thousands of camaro's and mustangs from mid 80's on up threw chrysler was perfecting the shadow and other 4 cyl tin .

I wonder what the price tag is going to be on the new camaro? As it sits the challenger is a fair chunk more than a Gt mustang.


Only thing i don't like about the challenger is how thick the back end is from the top of the lid to the bottom of the bumper. Sitting beside the aar at the show it looked overweight compared to the early e bodies.

[moparstuart]

Wait for 5 years then ul see the prices of the new ones and old ones, then remember what I said here.

Don't forget what the value of our beloved musclecars were when THEY were 5 years old cars.  EPA/Insurance regulations effectively ended the musclecar era, and the gas crisis made sure it wouldn't come back anytime soon.

No political intonations meant here, but two of the same three major factors (you can guess which two I am thinking of) could play a role in eliminating any "modern musclecar" era.  Add 40 years of time, and the value of that SRT Challenger could easily approach Returns On Investment levels of the fairly common Challenger R/Ts of the heyday.

Personally, I'll still prefer the old stuff since I enjoy turning wrenches on stuff more than watching the stealership guys plug in a computer diagnostic machine.  My wife?  She'd trade either of my two cars for an SRT Challenger in a heartbeat.  To each his own.

I was thinking the same thing if these are a limited 4-5 year run like the first challengers they could be rare in 40 years . But dont bet on it just buy it because you like it and keep it if you fall in love .

[1969chargerrtse]

Those cars you mention were really nothing more than decal packaged cars with very low HP and overall performance. Decals alone won't ensure a collector every time. The New Challenger however is a performance car and can back it up. It's currently not all dolled up with decals and such but rest assured, it will have them before long in keeping with it's retro styling but, will also still be able to back up the talk.

Ba Da Bing!  I agree with all your points.  Here's one not mentioned though.  I've said it many times.  GM's volt is short of 2 years away, and behind the volt will be other plug in cars.  The future is going electric then Hydrogen SOON!  GM's big issue was battery life and strength.  Well I just read a great article how it has been resolved with an awesome new type of battery that will do the job.  Electric cars are coming and that Challenger will be known as a Muscle car for sure, one of the last.   There is no question at all the next gen cars coming by 2010 will be plug in electric, but Hydrogen is going to be powering not only your cars, but your homes.  Hydrogen is already powering some new high tech factories at a great savings, and doing it clean.

[moparstuart]

Those cars you mention were really nothing more than decal packaged cars with very low HP and overall performance. Decals alone won't ensure a collector every time. The New Challenger however is a performance car and can back it up. It's currently not all dolled up with decals and such but rest assured, it will have them before long in keeping with it's retro styling but, will also still be able to back up the talk.

Ba Da Bing!  I agree with all your points.  Here's one not mentioned though.  I've said it many times.  GM's volt is short of 2 years away, and behind the volt will be other plug in cars.  The future is going electric then Hydrogen SOON!  GM's big issue was battery life and strength.  Well I just read a great article how it has been resolved with an awesome new type of battery that will do the job.  Electric cars are coming and that Challenger will be known as a Muscle car for sure, one of the last.   There is no question at all the next gen cars coming by 2010 will be plug in electric, but Hydrogen is going to be powering not only your cars, but your homes.  Hydrogen is already powering some new high tech factories at a great savings, and doing it clean.

thats why i'm thinking 4-5 years max for this new challenger just like the first challenger ( Energy crisis )  chicken little the sky is falling   

[Wango Mango]

I drove my 70 Hemi Chally over 1300 miles along side a pre-production SRT8 Chally for the Vanishing Point Revisited article in the july iissue of MC Enthusiast & Mopar Enthusiast & was very impressed w/ the new Chally.  We had it up to 165 at 6,000, pushing a headwind & w/ the AC on.  We hit the brakes hard @ 155f & it settled down perfectly straight.  We also averaged 21.4 MPG over the trip from Denver to LA.  I still would rather have a 70 Hemi Chally or a T/A over the new one, but for comfort, speed, looks & new technology, the SRT8 is hard to beat.  Expecially for a 4200 lb car that can run 12.9 out of the box.

I had my 70 Hemi Chally on the showroom @ Reno Dodge to help auction 2 new SRT8's & they got over $60K for them. 

[1969chargerrtse]

   Oh WoW your 70 is gorgeous.  Stunning, but this whole thing started with, that the new Challenger wasn't a Muscle car?  It is for sure.  Nothing 40 years old can be the same as something new.    He meant well though.   I agree that nothing will ever replace the love for the classics.

[68charger383]

I like the new challenger. I was to young to buy one of the muscle cars new, so I consider this my chance.

I'm waiting for the price and the top to drop (vert) before I buy my car....a shaker hood option would be nice as well.

[Foreman72]

those r 2 beautiful cars...and whatever tag gets put on the new one doesn;t matter...its just straight up gorgeous...ur 70 is insane 2...

i greatly envy all of you who own a new chally...greatly

I like the new challenger. I was to young to buy one of the muscle cars new, so I consider this my chance.

I'm waiting for the price and the top to drop (vert) before I buy my car....a shaker hood option would be nice as well.

u mean a shaker on the new one? do they have that? did i read that wrong?

[Wango Mango]

Thanks for the compliment.  The new SRT8 Challenger was a petty bold move for Chrysler & inspite of carrying almost 4200 lbs, it preformance is stellar as it mimics its big block grandaddy.  I still prefer grandpa with all the history & music of his historical hemi.  I wish Chrysler had the bucks to give the new car its own, smaller chassis, but considering costs, the new SRT8 w/ its independent suspension & monster small block, is a chip off the old block & a great way to preserve some Mopar History.  It'll never replace its predecessor, but wasn't intended to.  IMHO, imitation is the best form of flattery.  C'mon Chrysler, give the '09 Chally a 6.4, 392 with a Shaker.  Then, it'll be a real muscle car.

[firefighter3931]

New cars fast for 40 000+ stick 40 000 into an old one and ul see 8 second quarters.

Even Shiloh found your whole statement a little kooky.

Find me an 8 second car that you could drive from Jersey to California with the A/C blasting all the way there. Your comparison is non-existent.

Chris....i'm sure the new chally will run 8 seconds....in the 8th mile   


Looking forward to seeing the 09's....the R/T's are supposed to have smaller 17in wheels which (to me) appears visually more correct. Not a fan of big hoops on musclecars. 

Thanks for the compliment.  The new SRT8 Challenger was a petty bold move for Chrysler & inspite of carrying almost 4200 lbs, it preformance is stellar as it mimics its big block grandaddy.  I still prefer grandpa with all the history & music of his historical hemi.  I wish Chrysler had the bucks to give the new car its own, smaller chassis, but considering costs, the new SRT8 w/ its independent suspension & monster small block, is a chip off the old block & a great way to preserve some Mopar History.  It'll never replace its predecessor, but wasn't intended to.  IMHO, imitation is the best form of flattery. C'mon Chrysler, give the '09 Chally a 6.4, 392 with a Shaker. Then, it'll be a real muscle car.

Hey Buzz....that beast of yours is no lightweight either !  I remember lifting the front end as you were loading it up into the trailer to keep the Milidon oilpan from getting torn off.  You did put the hemi repro pan back on it didn't you ? 




Ron

[Wango Mango]

Hey Ron, good to hear from you & yes, I did replace the Milodon w/ the factory pan.  Much better now!  Don't have to fear dips & speed bumps.  I sure remember you lifting the front of the beast to clear the headers from catching on the trailer door.  That required a lot of horsepower on your part!  The iron headed beast is all of 4200 lbs, but handles pretty well for its weight.   Can't wait to get the T/A stroked to 416 & finally completed.  I was informed that the T/A cars had their K frames moved back 2" & the driveline shortened 2" for better handling.  That means the small block T/A should be a blast to drive.    Hope your Charger is doing well & can't wait for a ride.   

[1969chargerrtse]

I Just saw my first Challenger in the wild.  I was heading South bound on RT 15 in Ct and a brand new silver Challenger was heading North bound.  Cool.  Now I can move on with my life, until the new camaro pops up anyway.

[Mopar2Ya]

Hurst Chally. http://chryslercorporationllc.blogspot.com/2008/08/2009-hursthemi-dodge-challenger-srt8.html

[moparstuart]

Hurst Chally. http://chryslercorporationllc.blogspot.com/2008/08/2009-hursthemi-dodge-challenger-srt8.html

how cool

[Mopar2Ya]

SMS 570 http://www.smssupercars.com/570.html

[Brock Samson]

looks like the hurst version has some kind of old look hurst wheels, remember them?.. they were chrome and gold, you very seldom see them today... GTOs had them in '67 in very limited numbers.
you'd think they'd be more popular.. 

http://webpages.charter.net/jnovelli/hursthistory.htm

[Foreman72]

Hurst Chally. http://chryslercorporationllc.blogspot.com/2008/08/2009-hursthemi-dodge-challenger-srt8.html

:drool5:super looking car...i love that black/gold look...hey just think...maybe my kids will be restoring one some day ...

[68charger383]

Looking at E-bay tonight. Looks like the hype might already be coming to an end before the main wave of 2009s hit the dealer showrooms.

I see plenty of R/Ts with a buy-it-now for MSRP and 2008 SRT-8s with buy-it-nows of $44,000 (better than the $59K they were at a month ago + it means there not selling for the premium). If they are selling them for MSRP while still in short supply, when they start having 5-10 on the lot...I'm sure they will be dealing.

Looks like in a few months we can get them for a $500-$1,000 over invoice...once we rob a bank to get the $$ to pay that amount 

[41husk]

I drove one of the 09s, and will tell you I had the exact same feeling as driving my 68 or 73, not sure about the 70 I have not driven that one in over 10 years but I'm shooting for this weekend.  I think I got just as many looks.  I drove the 5.7 hemi and it had plenty of power.  As for getting the looks, I think I was snapping just as many heads as I do with the older cars.  That will no doubt change as the streets become more inendated with them.  I believe they get at least as strong a reaction as the older models did on their debut.  As for price the dealer here in southern Illinois said they will deal on the 09 models.

[keepat]

I drove one of the 09s, and will tell you I had the exact same feeling as driving my 68 or 73, not sure about the 70 I have not driven that one in over 10 years but I'm shooting for this weekend.  I think I got just as many looks.  I drove the 5.7 hemi and it had plenty of power.  As for getting the looks, I think I was snapping just as many heads as I do with the older cars.  That will no doubt change as the streets become more inendated with them.  I believe they get at least as strong a reaction as the older models did on their debut.  As for price the dealer here in southern Illinois said they will deal on the 09 models.

[41husk]

Price?  I stopped by a local dealer in Collinsville Illinois, about 10 Miles from Edwardsville, were I drove the 09 and was told by the dealer they would deal with the 09s.  Anyway the dealership in Collinsville had a white and blue.  I love the blue.  They were both 6cylinder cars $21,900 on the white and $23,500 on the blue, both auto, cloth interior.  The blue one had a sun roof and I think 21" wheels that looked kinda like old school Keystones.  The white one had no sun roof and 17" wheels.  I prefer the look of the 17" wheels.  It filled the wheel wells but didn't look like a hooptie.  This dealer said they can't keep the R/T in stock and all Hemi drive trains are R/T, so they are selling them at sticker and if I was interested he would take my name and #.  He already had a list of people ready to purchase R/Ts and as soon as one came in he would call us all and the first one up there could get it at sticker   I thought about just walking away, but I just couldn't.  I told him "Oh thats interesting, I drove the R/T with 5.7 Hemi at Cassens and that dealer had to hemi challengers on the lott.  He also said they would deal on them and if I did not like the color and was in no hurry he could order one the way I want and give me a call when it's delivered.  Why on earth would I wait on a call list to buy what ever stock you get sent at sticker price?  Some of these sales men   I wonder if he really sells many cars with those scare tactics   I wouldn't buy a car from that guy now if he saved me $1,000

[ACUDANUT]

 Check this price out...Only 24,000 Brand new 2009 with a 6 cylinder. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___ON-MY-LOT-AVAILABLE-NOW-MSRP-22-740-HURRY_W0QQitemZ370102399049QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370102399049&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308

[FastbackJon]

I was out and about in the red 440 Charger today and happened to see a brand new 2009 SRT8 Challenger going up the road in front of me the direction I was going to go. So I got in behind him and followed a while. He turned at a light onto a highway where the speed limit is 50mph and promptly got on it, as I figured he would. My 42 year old 440 Charger kept right up no problem, didn't let him get out ahead at all. He turned off at a baseball park and I went on my way.

[KS71owner]

There are at least three of these in the Wichita area that I know of, I was saw two of them at a car show in July (both had just been delivered) and one a couple of weeks later. One black, one orange and one silver. Fantastic looking (and sounding) cars....now I just need to befriend one of these people so I can drive one....

[JoeyGowdy]

I wish they would have made the new Charger a 2-door... just doesn't seem right in my opinion the new Challenger is what the new Charger should have been  regardless, the new Challenger does look good!   

[Magnumcharger]

Here is another reason to dig the new Challenger!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Dodge-Challenger-Bikini_166446.htm

[ACUDANUT]

 Why is a SRT Challenger 20 Grand more than a 6 cylinder ?  I am crying foul. The 6.1 is not worth twice the price of a Challenger IMO.

[Ghoste]

The same reason a 426 Hemi cost nearly 1000 dollars over the base price of a 3000 dollar car in 1968.  In fact, whne you think about it like that, the new Hemi is a deal.
I hear what you are saying but there are several reasons and I'm sure one of them is just profit margin, Chrysler knows the person who lusts after the SRT is going to step up to the plate.  There is likely also extra equipment besides the engine that you must have with it and I wouldn't be surprised if part of the price differential is just meant to discourage the borderline performance fans into the cheaper model with it's better fuel economy in an attempt to help meet the CAFE standard.

[69_500]

Yeah if you think back, the HEMI in 1969 was what a $650 option, and lets say you did that with a Charger. Base price was what $3,200, but to step up to the HEMI back then you also had to tack on the price of upgrading to the R/T which added more. So when all was said and done it was a 30% mark up in 1969 for a HEMI over a base 225/6. Not much difference now between a base SXT challenger going for $23,000 and an SRT-8 going for right at 40,000.

[Troy]

Plus, the SRT includes much more than the 6.1 Hemi like suspension, brakes, tires, wheels, interior, and assorted body modifications. Not to mention the limited production status.

Troy

[ACUDANUT]

 Ok, I hear ya, however even back in 1970 a hemi WAS NOT double the price !!  If anything, it was about 25% added on.

[ACUDANUT]

 I was at a Rodeo in KCMO and they had a 6 cylinder for 28,000.  More than the ones I was looking at, AND they refused to open the hood.  Nice Dodge Dealerships we here in Kansas City !!

[Ghoste]

No matter how you slice it, the SRT Hemis are going to be just as rare as the 426 cars ended up being and price is a big factor in both cases.

[Magnumcharger]

Stopped by the local Dodge store yesterday, and sat in this R/T.
No test rides allowed, as they're "keeping the mileage low" for the potential buyer.
And the price is a tad high too.

[Ghoste]

I don't know if its true but I was assured of at least one dealer in southwest Ontario that had an 09 Challenger that he had stuck a special dealer "surcharge".  I guess when GM kills the car he may be able to get it too.

[ACUDANUT]

Ok, I hear ya, however even back in 1970 a hemi WAS NOT double the price !!  If anything, it was about 25% added on.

Still waiting on a response.

[1969chargerrtse]

I was out and about in the red 440 Charger today and happened to see a brand new 2009 SRT8 Challenger going up the road in front of me the direction I was going to go. So I got in behind him and followed a while. He turned at a light onto a highway where the speed limit is 50mph and promptly got on it, as I figured he would. My 42 year old 440 Charger kept right up no problem, didn't let him get out ahead at all. He turned off at a baseball park and I went on my way.

Atta boy. NO FEAR!   

[Troy]

Ok, I hear ya, however even back in 1970 a hemi WAS NOT double the price !!  If anything, it was about 25% added on.

Still waiting on a response.

Not sure who you're aiming that at but...

2009 Challenger SE 6 cylinder MSRP is $21,995
2009 Challenger SRT-8 MSRP is $37,995
Difference: $1600 (73% above base model)
According to the Dodge  web site, the SRT includes a limited slip differential, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, GPS, and a six-speed manual or 5-speed Auto stick.

1970 Dodge Challenger Slant 6 $2,851
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (383) $3,151
Hemi additional $1,227.50 ($4,378.50 = 54% above base)
Shaker hood additional $97 ($4,475.50 = 57% above base)
Limited slip? Disk brakes?

Here's a 440 Six Pack car with a list price of $5,000 (75.4% above base and the Six Pack was cheaper than a Hemi).

This article quotes some road tests from back in the day:
1970 Challenger Hemi SE $4,288 (50% above base)
1970 Challenger T/A $4,643 (63% above base)

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