Had my '69 Charger re-appraised UPDATE....

Afflyer · October 21, 2005, 09:11:11 PM

Well folks,

I drove an hour east of our house here in Florida to a guy who appraises MoPars for a living. He was really really impressed with the "Mistress". He took some pics and jotted down all the important numbers from the car, looked her over real good. Advised me on this and that, and said it would take a few days to come up with the proper appraisal. He said he has to go online and visit a few sites, review some online auctions and look through a few books.

I asked him for a ballpark number just off his head before I left, and he stated at least $21K. That's a substantial improvement from just two years ago.

He said having a 440, even if it's not the original engine, is a very good thing, as they are in high demand. He also pretty much convinced me that I should go the extra mile and turn the "Mistress" into an R/T clone considering she's already sporting the coveted 440. All I'd have to do is get the proper Charger R/T emblems and an R/T stripe for the back and it's a clone for all intents and purposes. He said it would add a few thousand dollars more to the value if it were an R/T clone. I say...why not?!

I've not seen anyone here on the site post what the value of their prized Chargers are, so I'm a bit leary of saying what the true value of my "Mistress" is when it comes in. Hope ya'll understand. Jeez- this Indiana farmboy has been living FAR too long in the deep south now, as I say "ya'll" to ya'll!

UPDATE: 29 OCT

     Spoke with the appraiser this afternoon and he told me over the phone that the car appraised at $20,700.
     That's $3K more than what it was two years ago when I first brought her home.
     I was a little bit disseapointed, as I thought that it would be around $22K or $23K. I guess all the hype about the increase in value of '69 Chargers thanks to the Dukes release earlier this year, was simply just that; hype.

     Oh well, it'll keep climbing every year- at least I can look at it that way. Just maybe not as much as I had hoped.



Bradley

PocketThunder · October 21, 2005, 09:23:45 PM

I hear ya on the "yawl" saying from the south. I'm just some butt white guy in Minnesota and i was in Memphis for a week and i came back saying "yawl"!!!

Good news on your Charger. I am building a 68 318 auto Charger into a 440 auto. And everyone tells me to add the stripe and badges for that exact same reason of it adding value to the car. So i'm gonna do it.

Silver R/T · October 21, 2005, 10:10:20 PM

good investment

RECHRGD · October 22, 2005, 10:40:10 AM

440's, stripes and badges are good things regardless of your vin #. Bob

dodgecharger-fan · October 22, 2005, 11:01:08 AM

Really? That's about all I'd need to add to my plans as well.

If I went leather interior, I might pull off an R/T SE clone....

My base model is highly optioned - for a base model that is. At least I think it is:

A/C and tinted windows
AM/FM Radio
Buckets and console
Woodgrain inserts
Woodgrain Steering wheel
Day/Night rearview mirror (Is that much of an option or more standard?)
6-way adjustable driver's seat
Power windows
Power Front Disc Brakes
Power Steering

I've been able to confirm everything but the inserts so far.

Is this a weird car?

What else besides badges would designate an SE?

CB · October 22, 2005, 11:28:07 AM

some badges, a 440 and tailstripe adds e few 1000 in value

Crazy...

cudaken · October 22, 2005, 12:00:30 PM

I have some Hemi Badges, wonder if that would help

Cuda Ken

Charger_Fan · October 22, 2005, 12:17:09 PM

Quote from: cudaken on October 22, 2005, 12:00:30 PM
I have some Hemi Badges, wonder if that would help

I think some HEMI badges would make it run better...well, that & a chrome thermostat housing.

69_500 · October 23, 2005, 12:40:20 PM

We had the 69 Charger 500 appraised when we first bought the car and it was appraised at $35,000 at the time. That was a year and a half ago. This year we had it appraised again and it was appraised at $91,000 so we adjusted the coverage amount on our insurance policy. Funny thing is that the price of insurance didn't really change that much. I think it went from $148 every six months to $160 every six months.

Afflyer · October 23, 2005, 08:56:15 PM

Are you KIDDING me?! Your '69 500 appraised at $91,000?!

Wholly Balls!! I'll be damn lucky if the "Mistress" appraises at $23,000!

Khyron · October 23, 2005, 09:35:59 PM

all this talk makes me wonder if I should get mine redone.

694spdRT · October 23, 2005, 09:46:52 PM

I insured mine for $40,000 without an appraisal and Hagerty did not even question it. It is just a standard R/T.

Shakey · October 24, 2005, 07:34:31 AM

I have an F6 '69 R/T SE 440 that I purchased earlier this year. It was an uncomplete project - body & paint had been completed and the drivetrain had been rebuilt. It is not a #'s macthing car.

It was appraised in April at $28,000.00 CDN as it sat - no interior, no bumpers or grille etc. That is approximately $24,000.00 USD.

The fellow that did my appraisal told me that when I am finished with the project, he will come back and most likely appraise it at $38,000.00 CDN, which would be $32,000.00 USD.

The only purpose for the appraisal as far as I am concerned is for insurance. It is not for sale.

89MOPAR · October 25, 2005, 08:22:46 PM

How about proper R/T shocks , torsion bars, leaf springs, woodgrain dash applique, etc to complete the clone.

To me I'd rather have original ,even a 318 car. I'd pay LESS for a clone. But I'm picky like that.

Think of how many fake SS chevy's there are - alot !

andy74 · October 26, 2005, 01:10:28 PM

the insurance appraiser quoted me 15 large for the 72,non numbers 440,auto or rear end,2004 srt electric blue paint,and centerlines. i did have to show him the pics of restoration/retsification,and i kept every reciept of everything ive ever done to her.i agree hes high on the figure,but then i thought about it,insurance is for REPLACEMENT value,and where are you going to replace some of these cars? mine may not be the absolute best numbers match car,but i could spend the 15 replacing it if something ever happened,just my 2 cents-Andy

Highbanked Hauler · October 26, 2005, 06:02:41 PM

WOW 91K, my 500 was appraised at Carlisle and it only turned 41K and the appraiser told me that the stock car nose might drop the price about 10K at the most.

Afflyer · October 26, 2005, 08:14:32 PM

Brock Samson · October 26, 2005, 08:26:22 PM

A couple rather knowlagable members here told me that my R/T S.E. is worth approx. $25-30 K. So I'm gonna move pronto to have it reappraised for insurance purposes from it's current $17K I had it valued at in '99.

69_500 · October 27, 2005, 10:02:29 PM

Who did you have appraise your car at Carlisle? I looked over your car rather well there at Carlisle and I'd say that if you put it up for sale on the open market it would fetch more than $41K.
I had a local represenative for the insurance company come out and do the appraisal for the 500. All the insurance company required to raise the amount was photographs of the interior, exterior, and and appraisal.
Now if you ask me, I'd say that my car would only bring about $55K if I was to put it up for sale. I think part of the figure he shot out for my car was due to the asking prices of other 500's that were for sale at the same time.

I still love the B5 blue of your 500 though Highbank. That is my wifes favorite color on a 500. she says we need to trade the R4 500 for a blue one. She hates red.

mbandit · October 28, 2005, 10:27:26 AM

Bradley,

How's it going? Mel from Houston here, the Charger is just about finished, had to go with a bigger cam and a lot of other issues,. be back on the road this weekend. So what's the appraisers guess for a 69 440 R/T clone? (thats what mine is).

mbandit · October 28, 2005, 02:39:55 PM

I asked Haggerty for $25k covereage, they came back and covered it for $35k. I guess that's the max in the bracket. If I get most of that back when its ripped off/wreaked I won't be crying too much.

HeavyFuel · October 29, 2005, 12:06:48 AM

Maybe it's just me, but all this talk about "I just throwin' on the badges and the stripe & YEEHAW....I got me an R/T!", has got me kinda irritated.

I mean, damn, pretty soon a guy won't be able to tell if a nice car on the road is genuine or not.

"Hey, man....did you see that Charger just go by? I think it was an R/T, too. Those things are rare!"

Yeah, they are. but the badges and stickers aren't.

And if I have to read "Mistress" in quotes one more time, I'm gonna

Sorry, I'm done now........

Afflyer · October 29, 2005, 09:55:49 PM

Quote from: HeavyFuel on October 29, 2005, 12:06:48 AM
Maybe it's just me, but all this talk about "I just throwin' on the badges and the stripe & YEEHAW....I got me an R/T!", has got me kinda irritated.

I mean, damn, pretty soon a guy won't be able to tell if a nice car on the road is genuine or not.

"Hey, man....did you see that Charger just go by? I think it was an R/T, too. Those things are rare!"

Yeah, they are. but the badges and stickers aren't.

And if I have to read "Mistress" in quotes one more time, I'm gonna

Sorry, I'm done now........

Heavy- do you get a little cranky over the guys who make Daytona clones as well? Or are you just spoutin' off because you've got an R/T and hate to have to say "mines a REAL R/T" to those who otherwise wouldn't know a real from a clone?! Gimme a friggin break. There's nothin wrong with trying to improve on something already good and make it even better and worth more in the process.

Oh- and keep a pukebag handy if you read my posts. I ain't sorry for what I love to call my pride and joy.

Afflyer · October 29, 2005, 10:07:19 PM

Quote from: mbandit on October 28, 2005, 10:27:26 AM
Bradley,

How's it going? Mel from Houston here, the Charger is just about finished, had to go with a bigger cam and a lot of other issues,. be back on the road this weekend. So what's the appraisers guess for a 69 440 R/T clone? (thats what mine is).

Mel! Hey Pal, good to see you made it here on the site- welcome! My appaiser told me that a 69 440 R/T clone could bring in at least 25K to 30K just for starters- depending on the overall condition and detailed finer points of the car.

Bradley

Brock Samson · October 30, 2005, 10:12:16 PM

called my Insurance Co. (Zurich, whom I highly recommed) and they upped my Charger to $30k no questions asked, gal said to get it insured for more I'd have to have a certified appraser submit an apprasial...
Sure glad I did it, now I'm wondering if it would appraise for more..

I would think it wise and worth the trouble for all owners to have their Chargers and what ever else ya' got that appreciated reappraised!

what's your Bump?..

Ghoste · October 31, 2005, 04:50:52 AM

Not a bad idea Strat. If something happened and the car was underinsured, you'd be kicking yourself.

haueter66 · October 31, 2005, 07:00:40 AM

"mistress"

PocketThunder · October 31, 2005, 01:20:31 PM

Quote from: haueter66 on October 31, 2005, 07:00:40 AM
"mistress"

HeavyFuel · October 31, 2005, 02:18:30 PM

Quote from: Afflyer on October 29, 2005, 09:55:49 PM
Heavy- do you get a little cranky over the guys who make Daytona clones as well? Or are you just spoutin' off because you've got an R/T and hate to have to say "mines a REAL R/T" to those who otherwise wouldn't know a real from a clone?! Gimme a friggin break. There's nothin wrong with trying to improve on something already good and make it even better and worth more in the process.

Yeah, sorry about all that, I've taken my meds now and feel all better.

But c'mon, you do see my point, right. You said it yourself, pretty soon I'll have to explain to everyone that, "No, mine is not a clone", and you ARE trying to make yours worth more, which in turn, could hurt the worth of mine. I can understand why you want to do it, but I don't have to agree with it.

Savey?

HeavyFuel · October 31, 2005, 02:20:42 PM

Quote from: haueter66 on October 31, 2005, 07:00:40 AM
"mistress"

Good one, haueter66!

tipopiola · October 31, 2005, 02:28:17 PM

I've got a 68' R/T and I couldn't care less if anyone puts stripes on their cars. If mine didn't come with em', I'd probably add a stripe kit to mine too. I don't see how it hurts the value of my own car. People adding stripes and badges to their cars doesn't make the number of R/T's that were produced go up. If someone is looking for a real R/T than they still have the same limited supply of cars to choose from. And just so you know, 99% of people that see your car don't have a clue why it has stripes on its butt. If they DO notice the stripes they are probably wondering why they don't follow the length of the car like the stripes on their neighbors camaro or chevelle or mustang etc. Tipopiola

mbandit · October 31, 2005, 03:38:17 PM

I mean, if you've got a genuine R/T 440 with matching #'s go to the bank, get a big loan and restore it to the max. Sooner or later it will be worth six figures, probably sooner. The rest of us, like me, make do with converting a six cylinder car to a 440, we add the badges just to be in the idium and we also jack with the drive train and the undercarriage. Once you pop the hood or check out the interior its obvious its not an original and we're not pretending that it is. Its a Resto Rod if you like; thats what I like, I want to drive it and grin! I did not want a trailer queen and I have no problem with anyone that does. Your car, your way. If coincidently the value jumps by adding the R/T badges, so be it.

haueter66 · October 31, 2005, 05:58:18 PM

i couldnt help myself

Brock Samson · October 31, 2005, 08:29:19 PM

so how much all yur's cars appreciated?..

Ghoste · November 01, 2005, 04:46:25 AM

Is it much different than the ricers who put type "R" badges on their Hondas?

Shakey · November 01, 2005, 07:30:17 AM

I guess it would be like having a chick with fake jugs!

Sure, they look good and all the guys at the restaurant look at her on your arm and think to themselves "you lucky dog". If the operation was a success then only a select few will notice they aren't real. When you get home, you can warm up to her by the fireplace on a deere skin rug and enjoy them however, you will always know they are not real and you will always dream of having a set just like them, only real ones! Correct me if I am wrong.

PocketThunder · November 01, 2005, 11:43:57 AM

Quote from: Shakey on November 01, 2005, 07:30:17 AM
I guess it would be like having a chick with fake jugs!

Sure, they look good and all the guys at the restaurant look at her on your arm and think to themselves "you lucky dog". If the operation was a success then only a select few will notice they aren't real. When you get home, you can warm up to her by the fireplace on a deere skin rug and enjoy them however, you will always know they are not real and you will always dream of having a set just like them, only real ones! Correct me if I am wrong.

That right there is the honest to God Truth!

mbandit · November 01, 2005, 11:55:19 AM

Whatever, I just have no urge to own one of those paint mark perfect cars, not even if I won the Powerball. If I did win the lotto I'd probably buy and sell a whole bunch of cars and bikes and take in a lot of track days, maybe I'd build a nice hot rod C body. When I get bored I'll guy travel the world. All power to the full resto guys, I get my kicks differently.

Baracda · November 01, 2005, 12:49:59 PM

This is an interesting topic to say the least. So... what does everyone have thier car insured for then? More or less than the actual "retail" value with collectors insurance or just regular insurance?

jim

Ghoste · November 01, 2005, 05:14:08 PM

But with fake jugs, if you can touch them, then they are real.

Charger_Fan · November 01, 2005, 05:59:22 PM

Quote from: Ghoste on November 01, 2005, 05:14:08 PM
But with fake jugs, if you can touch them, then they are real.

Still fun to play with...besides, fake ones don't have to answer to the same gravity laws that real ones do.

tipopiola · November 01, 2005, 06:22:02 PM

I for one am glad that both my R/T and my wife are ALL real

Tipopiola

General Ryan · November 01, 2005, 06:33:43 PM

Quote from: tipopiola on November 01, 2005, 06:22:02 PM
I for one am glad that both my R/T and my wife are ALL real Tipopiola

I'll second that!

Chris G. · November 01, 2005, 06:36:38 PM

Quote from: mbandit on October 31, 2005, 03:38:17 PM
Its a Resto Rod if you like; thats what I like, I want to drive it and grin! I did not want a trailer queen and I have no problem with anyone that does. Your car, your way.

Why must it be either/or with some of you guys? You think numbers people look down on you, and then label them trailer queens. Why can't someone have a real R/T, #'s and drive it whenever possible? I drive my car all the time. If I showed you some of the areas I drive my car, you would freak the "F" out.

If some of you have a clone, that's your business, but stop labeling every R/T owner as a snob or trailer queen. It's just not true.

Khyron · November 01, 2005, 07:19:29 PM

Welp, i'm going 440, Suspension upgrade, tic toc, ect ect, and not putting the R/T stickers on it.

the letters don't mean anything to me personally. I just want the POWER

So i'm not a trailer queen, poser, con man, and no one can get mad at me

Brock Samson · November 01, 2005, 07:26:31 PM

yeah, but what's the stated value of your charger?..

Khyron · November 01, 2005, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: Stratocharger on November 01, 2005, 07:26:31 PM
yeah, but what's the stated value of your charger?..

$15,000 is what I insured her for. Though I am thinking of redoing it with the current craze

Brock Samson · November 01, 2005, 08:32:53 PM

well buddy i'm guessin it's worth 20K now, at least.. '69s are hot...

Khyron · November 01, 2005, 08:56:16 PM

Woohoo!!!

Shakey · November 02, 2005, 07:54:03 AM

Quote from: General Ryan on November 01, 2005, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: tipopiola on November 01, 2005, 06:22:02 PM
I for one am glad that both my R/T and my wife are ALL real Tipopiola
I'll second that!

I'll third that! My Wife's aren't huge but they are real and I was always told, more than a mouthfull is a waste. My R/T SE is real and I would like to drive it everywhere I can, hell I'd just like to drive it.

mbandit · November 02, 2005, 09:13:58 AM

and anyway, Jenny McCarthy's are fake but none of you would kick her out of bed...

AKcharger · November 04, 2005, 10:23:55 AM

I have a Charger!

PocketThunder · November 04, 2005, 02:29:54 PM

Quote from: Shakey on November 02, 2005, 07:54:03 AM
Quote from: General Ryan on November 01, 2005, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: tipopiola on November 01, 2005, 06:22:02 PM
I for one am glad that both my R/T and my wife are ALL real Tipopiola
I'll second that!
I'll third that! My Wife's aren't huge but they are real and I was always told, more than a mouthfull is a waste. My R/T SE is real and I would like to drive it everywhere I can, hell I'd just like to drive it.

I'll fourth that! Thay your R/Ts and your wives are all real!

Afflyer · November 07, 2005, 03:54:29 PM

This has been a really GREAT topic of conversation. Leave it to Charger Fan (my boob-lovin sidekick) to equate an R/T Clone to a woman's breast augmentation- that's why you ROCK man!!!

I'm filing my re-write paperwork for Hagerty and I'm going to

my policy up to the "Aggreed" value of $25K. Granted, that's a little less than $5K more than what she appraised for, but eventually it will be there within a few years. And besides, it keeps me from having to increase the aggreed value every year and increase my premium too.
This way, I'm good for probably three or four years without having to increase it again.

Heavy- no harm, no foul from either of us. We all need to give off a rant or two every once in a while. You keep taking your meds and I'll keep my Charger's name in check in future postings, for all of you guy's sake.

I wouldn't want to make anyone's

roll every time they read any of my postings. There's enough of that going on here from some of us anyway.

And like I said, it'll be YEARS from now before I put an R/T stripe on the back along with the badges. The paint job I currently have is only two years old- as much as I'd like to change it to Viper Silver Metallic.

Much thanks on this intreaging thread.

Bradley

News:

Had my '69 Charger re-appraised UPDATE....