What's Up With This Nosecone?

[A383Wing]

 

And no, it's not our Daytona....

Bryan

[moparstuart]

that car caused alot of contraversy, MCG did anyway.  it's clone made from a olds toronado front!
  I know the guy who owns it well , I took this picture of it this morning in grand river kentucky

[Drache]

This isnt one of the acclaimed "real '70 Daytona's" is it?

[A383Wing]

This isnt one of the acclaimed "real '70 Daytona's" is it?

No, that car you are referring to is somewhere else I think

Bryan

[Aero426]

That nose looks horrible.

[moparstuart]

This isnt one of the acclaimed "real '70 Daytona's" is it?

No, that car you are referring to is somewhere else I think

Bryan

well i dont know the whole story but this car was at one time acused of by MCG as being one of the acclaimed ! The guy who ownes it now has never said it was anything but a clone.
  MCG accused him of trading a shelby mustang or tons of money on it as if he was duped into buying a rare car , ( one of three ? or something like that . I would have to did up the artical .

[Drache]

This isnt one of the acclaimed "real '70 Daytona's" is it?

No, that car you are referring to is somewhere else I think

Bryan

  well i dont know the whole story but this car was at one time acused of by MCG as being one of the acclaimed ! The guy who ownes it now has never said it was anything but a clone.
  MCG accused him of trading a shelby mustang or tons of money on it as if he was duped into buying a rare car , ( one of three ? or something like that . I would have to did up the artical .

Yeah supposedly there were THREE 1970 Chargers that were made into Daytonas. Now Dodge said it wasn't them but it was dealers using left over Daytona parts. Now if that DOES make them real Daytonas is up to who you ask, but there is also no way of knowing which cars they were....

[69bronzeT5]

The front looks like it got crushed

[A383Wing]

I just noticed that the fender scoops look a little "flat" also....

Or is it my old eyes acting up again?

Bryan

[Drache]

I just noticed that the fender scoops look a little "flat" also....

Or is it my old eyes acting up again?

Bryan

Look flat to me.... 

[moparstuart]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,47075.0.html  I WILL BE POSTING MORE PICUTRES OF IT HERE


he will also be coming to monster mopar he lives in illinois near springfield i think !

[kab69440]

That nose is awesome! I love it! Anyone have a Toronado snout laying around doing nothing?

[PocketThunder]

 

[Daytona Craig]

Come on guys, we all have the same disease! -------------"Aeroitis"----------------He just couldn't fine the right doctor to help him. Can someone please give him Dr. Janich, or Doctor Stingers phone number!

[moparstuart]

i see some if it , but he would have to seriously modify it ! 
  good starting point if your into the homemade look ? 

[IowaCharger69]

Could it have been a fiberglass nose that got hot and warped? It looks too deliberate for that but 

[moparstuart]

 no if you read the MCG article it talks about how he made it at home out of a toronado nose 
   

[IowaCharger69]

ooooOOOOoOOh  that was the reference. My bad. Next time I'll read more before I post. Thanks!

[hotrod98]

I don't see where using the toronado front end would make anything easier other than the headlamp doors already being operable. Way too much fabrication for me. I spent about two days making the headlamps work on my clone and that includes making my own headlamp pivots.
Chalk one up for his ingenuity though.

[moparstuart]

I don't see where using the toronado front end would make anything easier other than the headlamp doors already being operable. Way too much fabrication for me. I spent about two days making the headlamps work on my clone and that includes making my own headlamp pivots.
Chalk one up for his ingenuity though.

i think this car has been around a while and the guy was a crafty type !

[70Sbird]

OK guys,
I'm not a typist but here goes:
I don't think it a Toronado nose but just something concocted in a body shop in Central ILL!
I saw this car in MCG, I was going to write in then, but I don't have the greatest respect for their sometimes half investigated stories.
I know this car, and have seen it many times in various stages of construction. This car was sold about 25 years ago in Creve Coeur Illinois in black primer, looking rough as the proverbial cob. It was up on one of those elevated platforms that were so popular with the converted gas station used car lots in the day. In white shoe polish was written "Real RT" on the windshield and I believe the asking price was $9,999. It was just a 70 Charger with a wing bolted on the back of it.
Fast-forward a few years to 1996 or so. This guy stops by at a garage sale my wife and her mom are having at our house and looks over a few odds and ends parts I have for sale. He strikes up a conversation with wifey's mom (father in law paints cars) he gets confused and thinks I am the body man. He comes back about 45 minutes later in this very car, now painted plum crazy, with a very badly applied coat(s) of clear and wants me to give him an estimate on color sanding it out and buffing it. I explain that I'm not the body guy, but am into Mopars so we talk a bit about the car. I then figure out it was that same car I saw before in primer. I took down the fender tag info and decoded it for him; I believe it was actually an 70 Charger R/T. The car had a totally worn out interior, home made wing supports, and 1968 front fenders, with the correct 70 grille and no NOSE!! But on the tail stripe where it should have said " Daytona" was an "R/T" in purple (I'm sorry now I did not grab a camera and get some pics of this rolling abortion)
A year or two later we are again having the annual garage sale again and guess who shows up! The 70 Charger guy, but without his car. I still had my Demon and some Mopar parts for sale and he starts telling me he has a "one of 4" 70 Daytonas!!!!! The guy did not even remember bringing the car over, and that I have seen his fender tag!!!!!
But he is convinced that it's real because he has read so much about the 70 Daytona controversy on the Internet. I saw the car again a few years later (1998/1999 or so) at a local show with better paint (at least smoother), and  a new interior (not correct but a cloth "homemade" look). And sporting the black wing, but still no nose.
Fast-forward another few years to 2006. I have just moved back to Central Illinois, have a Superbird, and am at a local car show, when who would walk up and start talking about his "Daytona" but the old guy from Peoria Heights with the purple Charger! He starts comparing notes with me on how his Daytonas nose is a little different here and there, but looks a lot like mine. He doesn't take it to shows anymore because of all the flack he gets for it not being "real"! I actually believe that he honestly thinks his car is the real deal. He still can't put two and two together and realize that I saw his car at my house (pre-nose) and know he is full of s**t.
That would have been the end of my story except that about a year later there are two guys putting vinyl siding on a house next to mine and I happened to have the garage door open and the tail of the 'Bird in view of the public. The two guys come over and one starts talking about his V8 Monza, and other car stories, when they start talking about the Charger their dad just sold for $45,000!!!!!  Turns out it was a Purple 70 "Daytona" with the same big wing that I had on my Roadrunner.
Yes, it was the two sons of the old guy in Peoria Heights again!!!!!! They confirmed that this guy had a body shop fab up the nose and paint it. I saw the feature in MCG later and just laughed out loud! This is not a Daytona! I still amazes me how someone can just bolt a wing on a Charger probably at least 30 years ago and people still talk about this Frankenstein car like it was anything but a 1970 Charger with a big block!!! And a borrowed Daytona wing.
If I remember correctly it was a nice solid car, a 440 R/T, and it was a factory Purple car. Very nice indeed except for the "custom' nose and stitched interior.
Bottom line: Nice car! Goofy owner from early ninetys to a few years ago! I will also be at MMW and would love to see this car, as I have only seen pictures of the nose, but have never seen it in person.
OK this in now officially the longest thing I have typed since a college term paper and my two fingers are tired!
Than God for spell check or you probably couldn't even have read this far!

[IowaCharger69]

I would sig the above but I don't think it would fit. I love the forgetful car BS-ers out there that will tell you one thing then another not a month later.

[moparstuart]

OK guys,
I'm not a typist but here goes:
I don't think it a Toronado nose but just something concocted in a body shop in Central ILL!
I saw this car in MCG, I was going to write in then, but I don't have the greatest respect for their sometimes half investigated stories.
I know this car, and have seen it many times in various stages of construction. This car was sold about 25 years ago in Creve Coeur Illinois in black primer, looking rough as the proverbial cob. It was up on one of those elevated platforms that were so popular with the converted gas station used car lots in the day. In white shoe polish was written "Real RT" on the windshield and I believe the asking price was $9,999. It was just a 70 Charger with a wing bolted on the back of it.
Fast-forward a few years to 1996 or so. This guy stops by at a garage sale my wife and her mom are having at our house and looks over a few odds and ends parts I have for sale. He strikes up a conversation with wifey's mom (father in law paints cars) he gets confused and thinks I am the body man. He comes back about 45 minutes later in this very car, now painted plum crazy, with a very badly applied coat(s) of clear and wants me to give him an estimate on color sanding it out and buffing it. I explain that I'm not the body guy, but am into Mopars so we talk a bit about the car. I then figure out it was that same car I saw before in primer. I took down the fender tag info and decoded it for him; I believe it was actually an 70 Charger R/T. The car had a totally worn out interior, home made wing supports, and 1968 front fenders, with the correct 70 grille and no NOSE!! But on the tail stripe where it should have said " Daytona" was an "R/T" in purple (I'm sorry now I did not grab a camera and get some pics of this rolling abortion)
A year or two later we are again having the annual garage sale again and guess who shows up! The 70 Charger guy, but without his car. I still had my Demon and some Mopar parts for sale and he starts telling me he has a "one of 4" 70 Daytonas!!!!! The guy did not even remember bringing the car over, and that I have seen his fender tag!!!!!
But he is convinced that it's real because he has read so much about the 70 Daytona controversy on the Internet. I saw the car again a few years later (1998/1999 or so) at a local show with better paint (at least smoother), and  a new interior (not correct but a cloth "homemade" look). And sporting the black wing, but still no nose.
Fast-forward another few years to 2006. I have just moved back to Central Illinois, have a Superbird, and am at a local car show, when who would walk up and start talking about his "Daytona" but the old guy from Peoria Heights with the purple Charger! He starts comparing notes with me on how his Daytonas nose is a little different here and there, but looks a lot like mine. He doesn't take it to shows anymore because of all the flack he gets for it not being "real"! I actually believe that he honestly thinks his car is the real deal. He still can't put two and two together and realize that I saw his car at my house (pre-nose) and know he is full of s**t.
That would have been the end of my story except that about a year later there are two guys putting vinyl siding on a house next to mine and I happened to have the garage door open and the tail of the 'Bird in view of the public. The two guys come over and one starts talking about his V8 Monza, and other car stories, when they start talking about the Charger their dad just sold for $45,000!!!!!  Turns out it was a Purple 70 "Daytona" with the same big wing that I had on my Roadrunner.
Yes, it was the two sons of the old guy in Peoria Heights again!!!!!! They confirmed that this guy had a body shop fab up the nose and paint it. I saw the feature in MCG later and just laughed out loud! This is not a Daytona! I still amazes me how someone can just bolt a wing on a Charger probably at least 30 years ago and people still talk about this Frankenstein car like it was anything but a 1970 Charger with a big block!!! And a borrowed Daytona wing.
If I remember correctly it was a nice solid car, a 440 R/T, and it was a factory Purple car. Very nice indeed except for the "custom' nose and stitched interior.
Bottom line: Nice car! Goofy owner from early ninetys to a few years ago! I will also be at MMW and would love to see this car, as I have only seen pictures of the nose, but have never seen it in person.
OK this in now officially the longest thing I have typed since a college term paper and my two fingers are tired!
Than God for spell check or you probably couldn't even have read this far!

you will have to , asked the current owner but he told me toronado nose hlp's buckets are what are on the car ?  just passing on his information   

[hemigeno]

That car was at the Jefferson City, Missouri Dodge Charger Registry meet (Wayne Wooten's group) back in 2006.  3--Daytona (Jim M.) and Jerry N. spent some time looking the car over and talking with the owner who had just purchased it.  IIRC, he was not convinced that Jim & Jerry were telling him the truth that the car was a clone.  I think it was represented as an authentic '70 Daytona by the seller, and the story 70Sbird posted doesn't surprise me at all.

I saw the car then myself, and thought the nose looked a little odd - especially when a regular Daytona nose is anywhere closeby for comparison.  With working headlights, they have accomplished something that many clones haven't conquered.   This car/nose is not my thing for certain, but the worst part of the whole deal by far is how the car was mis-represented as a '70 Daytona.

[moparstuart]

That car was at the Jefferson City, Missouri Dodge Charger Registry meet (Wayne Wooten's group) back in 2006.  3--Daytona (Jim M.) and Jerry N. spent some time looking the car over and talking with the owner who had just purchased it.  IIRC, he was not convinced that Jim & Jerry were telling him the truth that the car was a clone.  I think it was represented as an authentic '70 Daytona by the seller, and the story 70Sbird posted doesn't surprise me at all.

I saw the car then myself, and thought the nose looked a little odd - especially when a regular Daytona nose is anywhere closeby for comparison.  With working headlights, they have accomplished something that many clones haven't conquered.   This car/nose is not my thing for certain, but the worst part of the whole deal by far is how the car was mis-represented as a '70 Daytona.

He tells me he knew it was a clone from day one , but from your story maybe he is now just trying to save face? he is a super nice guy. I hate to think he was duped but sounds like that is the case . I met him for the first time last year at the 07 charger (TDC meet ) at jefferson city . then again at nebraska city tdc meet , then again last weekend.    He said he did trade an old mustang for it but it wasnt a shelby like the MCG mag article stated ,but the could be saving face also no idea ?