New fender tag??

[4speed]

Where can you get a new fender tag made.

[Ghoste]

http://www.datatags.com/

[charger_fan_4ever]

http://www.datatags.com/

Anyone had any fender tags done by these guys? Do you get your old one back?

My fender tag off my 70 r/t is in bad shape. Some #'s you can only read from the back side. I'd be afraid that it would get destroyed threw the mail. I don't have a buildsheet for it either, so that would be awful to lose or render unreadable the original.

[moparstuart]

 he said you could just diagram it out , send it on paper

[moparstuart]

    here is what he quoted me with my broadcast sheet info , cheaper if i pre lay it out for him.
  If they look good this is cheap? I had heard 1000.00 figures for this service . Anyone else ?




St louis can be done with the build sheet if clear.   Price for me to figure it out and make the tag is $200.   Price for you to figure it out and me make the tag is $100   Cash check or money order.
Either way send a copy fo the build sheet and the payment to: A.G.Backeast Box 40011 Grand Junction, Colorado  81504

Turn around within 3 days of it's receipt

[69_500]

I was always under the impression that it was a little cheaper to get it done through them than other places. Guess I'm wrong yet again.

I was thinking someone was redoing the tags for around $65-70 a pop

[moparstuart]

I was always under the impression that it was a little cheaper to get it done through them than other places. Guess I'm wrong yet again.

I was thinking someone was redoing the tags for around $65-70 a pop

if you can dig up that info i would love to know who will do it !
 
can anyone help me map mine out from the broadcast sheet ?   

[moparstuart]

 I am very lucky to have such a nice clean , unbrittle , undiscolor perfect example 

[69_500]

I'll see what I can map out from that for you later on this evening, or tomorrow. Getting ready to head to dinner at the parents house tonight.

Being that its a St. Louis car though makes it a little out of the norm for me to map out though.

[moparstuart]

I'll see what I can map out from that for you later on this evening, or tomorrow. Getting ready to head to dinner at the parents house tonight.

Being that its a St. Louis car though makes it a little out of the norm for me to map out though.

missouri cars are alway better       

[JimShine]

He quoted me $65 for a tag.

[hemigeno]

 
can anyone help me map mine out from the broadcast sheet ?   

I'm not quite as quick on the St. Louis tags strangely enough (the plant is 35 miles from my house and I have a St. Louis-built Charger sitting about 15 feet from where my PC is) but here goes:


*                                  *
END
C16 C55 M21 M31 R21 V1X
T5       C6X X9 317 329208
E61 D32 XP29 G9G 234051


At first I thought there would be more codes, but that's all I could come up with.  Danny and/or Doug (69CoronetR/T) can check me out on this to see if I guessed right.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Geno, looks good to me except that St. Louis tags always list both the body & roof color regardless if the car was also coded for a vinyl top or not.
Hamtramck cars listed the roof color ONLY if the car was NOT coded for a vinyl roof....

So the second line from the bottom should read.......

T5 T5 C6X X9 317 329208

Also St. Louis tags also have a unique inspection letter or number punched out in the tag usually on the top right corner.....not sure if datatags repros this insp stamp as well.
See tag below for an ex of the stampings

[pettybird]

if anyone finds a place that'll do it CHEAP I want special tags made for the Marty Robbins Daytona!  I want to lay the car out as it is...

R22 V88 Y39  26 EN2
C55 G11 G33 M21 M31 A01
A36 B41 B51 C16 C55
FM3 FY1 C6W X9 420 XXXXXX
E86 D32 XX29 L9B 414641

a second tag with "ROBBINS NASCAR SPECIAL" would be the icing on the cake.


now, I put R22 but I have a CD player...  also, i bought a 5.7 Hemi for this guy, and i'll have either an A500 or a 5 speed manual box behind it (yes, really.)  do they still use 3 digit codes into the present?

[moparstuart]

  thanks guys your awesome  65.00 or 100 i think it's cheap enought . I did ask the guy if he had a sample picture of his mopar tags and he got a little snitty with me. Oh well if he really does them in three day and they are good i will deal with that.
  I have heard nightmare stories about 1-2 year waits and 1000.00 price tags by some experts out there . 

[69CoronetRT]

Geno, looks good to me except that St. Louis tags always list both the body & roof color regardless if the car was also coded for a vinyl top or not.
Hamtramck cars listed the roof color ONLY if the car was NOT coded for a vinyl roof....

So the second line from the bottom should read.......

T5 T5 C6X X9 317 329208

Also St. Louis tags also have a unique inspection letter or number punched out in the tag usually on the top right corner.....not sure if datatags repros this insp stamp as well.
See tag below for an ex of the stampings

Looks good to me.....

See tag below for a poorly made, and documented, bad tag from AG...

Do the layout yourself and get it done right.

[ChgrSteve67]

I had http://www.datatags.com make my new tag.
I did not have to send them the original tag.
I scanned the back side of the old one and inverted the picture so you could read it (front was not readable).

[moparstuart]

I had them make me a new tag.
I did not have to send them the original tag.
I scanned the back side of the old one and inverted the picture so you could read it (front was not readable).

did you use the same guy ? that looks great 

[hemigeno]

Geno, looks good to me except that St. Louis tags always list both the body & roof color regardless if the car was also coded for a vinyl top or not.
Hamtramck cars listed the roof color ONLY if the car was NOT coded for a vinyl roof....

I knew there was a difference between the two plants on this issue, but did not take the time to look it up.  Thanks!

BTW, welcome back from vacation too...

[hemi-hampton]

Pettybird, do you have a real tag or broadcast sheet to back that up, Not so sure somebody is going to want to make you a  panther pink 69 daytona? LEON.

[69_500]

He is wanting a fake tag made up to match how the cloned car is currently. Doug does the car have White interior with black doors on  the interior? Because that is how the tag you laid out is written.

[hemi-hampton]

So, If I buy a ugly brown 71 Barracuda with 6 cylinder for $1,000 Chop the top off & make a Convertible out of it, Paint it Panther Pink, Add Billboard 1/4 strips, Add Shaker hood, Rubber Bumpers, Spoilers, power everything, And add a 426 HEMI with 4 speed & super track pak 4:10 Dana your saying I can get somebody to make me a fake phoney fender tag to reflect these changes? Who does this? Is this legal? LEON.

[69CoronetRT]

Dana your saying I can get somebody to make me a fake phoney fender tag to reflect these changes? Who does this? Is this legal? LEON.

Yep
Several people. AG Backeast in one of the better known. At one time, he would make tags without documentation but I don't think he will anymore. Some places will make a tag just on your request.
No it's not illegal as the tag is not a legal document nor a legal entity like the VIN tag or a title. The same holds true for Broadcast sheets. They are not a legal documents and can be reproduced. Reproducing tags and sheets is more of an ethical issue than legal unless they are used to help defraud a person during a sale.*

*Legality of reproduction tags varies by state. Consult your local laws.

[pettybird]

He is wanting a fake tag made up to match how the cloned car is currently. Doug does the car have White interior with black doors on  the interior? Because that is how the tag you laid out is written.

yep.  mike only had white seats for the black interior.


i figure I want the tag to be so far from possible it couldn't be thought of as true.  maybe SPECIAL instead of the VIN's true J number or something would be appropriate, too.

[moparstuart]

 
can anyone help me map mine out from the broadcast sheet ?   

I'm not quite as quick on the St. Louis tags strangely enough (the plant is 35 miles from my house and I have a St. Louis-built Charger sitting about 15 feet from where my PC is) but here goes:


*                                  *
END
C16 C55 M21 M31 R21 V1X
T5       C6X X9 317 329208
E61 D32 XP29 G9G 234051


At first I thought there would be more codes, but that's all I could come up with.  Danny and/or Doug (69CoronetR/T) can check me out on this to see if I guessed right.

ok any other thought , any st louis experts  , i want to send this off to him will this be correct  ?

[hemigeno]

ok any other thought , any st louis experts  , i want to send this off to him will this be correct  ?

Stuart, sorry about not getting back with you on your PM - been a busy day and I forgot.

Based on what Chris and Doug have said, I would modify my earlier tag layout to this:


*                                  *
END
C16 C55 M21 M31 R21 V1X
T5 T5  C6X X9 317 329208
E61 D32 XP29 G9G 234051

[moparstuart]

  thanks gene your awesome i will go with that


 

[moparstuart]

 I send him off my money today , we will see how they come out.  He is making me a special nascar clone 2nd tag for my birdible also .

[moparstuart]

Got my fender tags back already today they look great and he was very fast .  He was an ass to me though . I dont understand how people think they will get repete buisness being so rude .  I am happy with the tags so i guess thats the most important thing !

[69_500]

So how was the transaction so rude? Just curious? If it was a fast turn around, I don't see how it would be rude, unless there was a verbal conversation over the phone or in person between the two transactions.

[moparstuart]

i asked him to many questions i guess in his opinion , asked him for an example photo of his(MOPARTAGS) work and asked him to email me when he got payment . He told me I was asking to much of him . Danny I will send you the emails tomorrow they are on my work account ,you will get a kick out of it .

[69_500]

Figured it was something along those lines.



I gotta admit I get short with my son when he asks a lot of questions too though. Like his favorite one "What time is it? Is it time for __________ yet?"

[moparstuart]

I guess maybe i expect to much. When i am paying for a product i would like to know about it with out getting huge attidude from the manufacture.  I would also like maybe just alittle customer service .  Again he did a great job on them and very fast it just seem like he hads a huge chip on his shoulder. BTW I never spoke to him on the phone it was all email so i wasnt phoning(INTERUPTING) him costantly with stupid questions. .

[charger_fan_4ever]

What was the sticker price Stuart?

Did you send a picture of the old one or did you mail it in?

Thanks

[moparstuart]

I didnt have a tag at all , just a copy of the broadcast sheet and hemi geno's mapping out of the tag, plus a picture of a st louis tag.  I paid 220 for 3 tag ,one main tag and two minimal lettered special second tags.

[moparstuart]

here was my first clue he had an attitute  i asked the question below here is his answer !

       I do not.  Not any that customer's have told me it's ok to send around the world.  You'll have to go to www.datatags.com see examples of tags I've done, close your eyes and imagine the same degree of workmanship on any other tag you might need. 
    My turn around is 3 days or less
    AND know that I've made these for 26 years and have yet to get one back but if YOU don't like lthe tag I make all you need do is return it for a full and prompt refund no questions asked.
    If that's not enough hand holding for you we have no further things to discuss and you need to be dealing with the higher pirced competitor who has the longer lead time and no money back guarantee.

FORDially,  A.G.Backeast Box 40011 Grand Junction, Colorado  81504
----- Original Message -----
From: stuartspeedway
To: tags backeast 2
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: 69 charger


thanks do you have any pictures of your mopar tags?
example of your work ?
    I will get it mapped out for you

[moparstuart]

here is a picture of the new tags

[hotrod98]

I would like to have a tag to mount next to the original tag on my clone that fortunately, is perfect.

I would like to have it stamped          Daytona Clone


or possibly three lines                         Daytona Clone
                                                    Maniac Musclecars
                                                      August, 2008

Either way would be cool.

[Old Moparz]

So, If I buy a ugly brown 71 Barracuda with 6 cylinder for $1,000 Chop the top off & make a Convertible out of it, Paint it Panther Pink, Add Billboard 1/4 strips, Add Shaker hood, Rubber Bumpers, Spoilers, power everything, And add a 426 HEMI with 4 speed & super track pak 4:10 Dana your saying I can get somebody to make me a fake phoney fender tag to reflect these changes? Who does this? Is this legal? LEON.

The fender tag has nothing to do with the VIN tag, title, or registration, so there isn't any DMV legalities involved. I suppose it's more of an ethics thing within the hobby than anything else. I know some people like to break down the options to see how rare a car is, but to myself, as well as a lot of others, the fender tag is basically a novelty item.

[moparstuart]

I would like to have a tag to mount next to the original tag on my clone that fortunately, is perfect.

I would like to have it stamped          Daytona Clone


or possibly three lines                         Daytona Clone
                                                    Maniac Musclecars
                                                      August, 2008

Either way would be cool.

i'm sure data tags will do it , if you can stand him   

[Old Moparz]

There's a guy in Canada who makes tags, but I forget who & where exactly. He adertised on ebay a while back & I contacted him, but I think ebay has tried to ban ALL tag sales. He was asking $40 about 2 or 3 years ago. I asked him about a custom tag & it was no problem. I had wanted a tag that said

 THIS IS A FENDER TAG
IT IS A NUMBERS MATCHING
CAR THAT BELONGS TO ME
THE PRICE MATCHED MY WALLET

[moparstuart]

 

[hemi-hampton]

Old Moparz, Mopar Stuart sez he had to send along a copy of his Broadcast sheet. What if you dont have a Broadcast sheet, or window sticker or fender tag Ect. Why send a Broadcast/build sheet if you can just make up any codes you want, like my panther pink hemicuda scenario. LEON.

[hemi-hampton]

If you read the AG Back east/datatags website (I guess many people dont) You'll notice in the small print he sez he does not make phoney fake tags to reflect peoples dreams or fantasy's, Either does Galen. SO, what makes people think this can be done? LEON.

[69CoronetRT]

If you read the AG Back east/datatags website (I guess many people dont) You'll notice in the small print he sez he does not make phoney fake tags to reflect peoples dreams or fantasy's, Either does Galen. SO, what makes people think this can be done? LEON.

My bad tag was made by AG without a BS sheet or documentation but it was several years ago.

[Mr. Lee]

I bought my Charger in 2008 without Original engine, without buildsheet, without fendertag.

Now I want a fendertag made with the specs of the car like it's now to make it "complete" under the hood.

I did ask Datatags yesterday but he doesn't want to make one because he's afraid being sued.


Anyone can help me out with some info where I can have my fendertag made?

[bakerhillpins]

You are going to have a hard time getting anyone to make you a tag without proof of options (broadcast sheet or old tag) as the Fender Tags are used in conjunction with the VIN to determine the car's pedigree.  I.e. Creating a tag to match what you put on the car ends up with someone (not saying you) selling the car, intentional or not, as something it isn't. Basically they are not making you a tag to avoid issues with Fraud.

Make any car you want but be careful about stamping things to make the car appear to be original. 

[TUFCAT]

Here's an interesting story for those who want to go messin' with Mopar VIN numbers and body tags.  Warning: this story does not have a happy ending.  

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/07/01/hmn_feature16.html

[Mr. Lee]

You are going to have a hard time getting anyone to make you a tag without proof of options (broadcast sheet or old tag) as the Fender Tags are used in conjunction with the VIN to determine the car's pedigree.  I.e. Creating a tag to match what you put on the car ends up with someone (not saying you) selling the car, intentional or not, as something it isn't. Basically they are not making you a tag to avoid issues with Fraud.

Make any car you want but be careful about stamping things to make the car appear to be original.  

I understand what you're saying according to the rules and laws in your country, but I live in The Netherlands and the rules and laws out here are just different.

When I did import the Charger from your country the car was checked by customs. Basicly what will be checked is if the car hasn't been reported stolen, and they check if the VIN that's on the dash matches the numbers that are stamped in the car nearby the radiator and trunk. If these match the car, it gets the complete VIN stamped into the framerails so this car is indeed the car with the correct VIN. They don't care if the Original engine size is in the car or not. The engine that's in the car just has to be mounted right and save and the complete car has to be roadworthy. If that's the case a title will be given that states the current engine size and VIN and owner on it. That's it. As the original VIN is stamped in the car and is on the title, one can Always check what original enigine was in the car so no fraud possible here.

So the fendertag isn't an issue here. Just need one the make my restauration complete; it just belongs under the hood. Who helps me out?

[Mr. Lee]

Sorry, double post 

[bakerhillpins]

I understand what you're saying according to the rules and laws in your country, but I live in The Netherlands and the rules and laws out here are just different.

When I did import the Charger from your country the car was checked by customs. Basicly what will be checked is if the car hasn't been reported stolen, and they check if the VIN that's on the dash matches the numbers that are stamped in the car nearby the radiator and trunk. If these match the car, it gets the complete VIN stamped into the framerails so this car is indeed the car with the correct VIN. They don't care if the Original engine size is in the car or not. The engine that's in the car just has to be mounted right and save and the complete car has to be roadworthy. If that's the case a title will be given that states the current engine size and VIN and owner on it. That's it. As the original VIN is stamped in the car and is on the title, one can Always check what original enigine was in the car so no fraud possible here.

So the fendertag isn't an issue here. Just need one the make my restauration complete; it just belongs under the hood. Who helps me out?

You are missing my point. It's not necessarily a question of laws in any specific country.  It's a question of miss representation of what the car is/was, and while you are indicating that you don't intend to defraud anyone the folks making the tags don't want to expose themselves to the possibility.

I suspect, but have not verified, that even in the Netherlands you have laws that concern fraud.

[Homerr]

I bought my Charger in 2008 without Original engine, without buildsheet, without fendertag.

Now I want a fendertag made with the specs of the car like it's now to make it "complete" under the hood.

I did ask Datatags yesterday but he doesn't want to make one because he's afraid being sued.


Anyone can help me out with some info where I can have my fendertag made?

Does anyone not do a tag where after 'END' it reads 'Reproduction Tag' or something similar?

[bakerhillpins]

Does anyone not do a tag where after 'END' it reads 'Reproduction Tag' or something similar?

While I don't currently have any pics of one, I could have sworn I have seen exactly that. 

[Mr. Lee]

Does anyone not do a tag where after 'END' it reads 'Reproduction Tag' or something similar?

While I don't currently have any pics of one, I could have sworn I have seen exactly that. 

That would be fine with me. Anyone prepared to make one?

[Dans 68]

I just talked to Datatags and got a quote for $175 to duplicate my existing '68 tag. For what it's worth.     

Dan

[Mr. Lee]

I just talked to Datatags and got a quote for $175 to duplicate my existing '68 tag. For what it's worth.     

Dan

Thanks, but Datatags doesn't want to make me one without having an Original tag or buildsheet 

[VegasCharger]

[/quote]


I understand what you're saying according to the rules and laws in your country, but I live in The Netherlands and the rules and laws out here are just different.

When I did import the Charger from your country the car was checked by customs. Basicly what will be checked is if the car hasn't been reported stolen, and they check if the VIN that's on the dash matches the numbers that are stamped in the car nearby the radiator and trunk. If these match the car, it gets the complete VIN stamped into the framerails so this car is indeed the car with the correct VIN. They don't care if the Original engine size is in the car or not. The engine that's in the car just has to be mounted right and save and the complete car has to be roadworthy. If that's the case a title will be given that states the current engine size and VIN and owner on it. That's it. As the original VIN is stamped in the car and is on the title, one can Always check what original enigine was in the car so no fraud possible here.

So the fendertag isn't an issue here. Just need one the make my restauration complete; it just belongs under the hood. Who helps me out?

[/quote]

Not sure what year your Charger is (I'll guess 69 due to your avatar) but what if someone wanted to bring over a 68 model? The VIN on the dash would not match the rad support nor the trunk lip  Although that's correct from the factory do you think customs would have knowledge of that?
That's about one of the only things I dislike about owning a 68 is that the VIN doesn't match the body stampings even though the fender tag does.

[Cooter]

I just talked to Datatags and got a quote for $175 to duplicate my existing '68 tag. For what it's worth.     

Dan

Thanks, but Datatags doesn't want to make me one without having an Original tag or buildsheet 

Yeah, I can understand that one. Way too many scammers out there. You should see the PITA I'm going through in the states trying to get a title to vehicle that was never titled....

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

You are going to have a hard time getting anyone to make you a tag without proof of options (broadcast sheet or old tag) as the Fender Tags are used in conjunction with the VIN to determine the car's pedigree.  I.e. Creating a tag to match what you put on the car ends up with someone (not saying you) selling the car, intentional or not, as something it isn't. Basically they are not making you a tag to avoid issues with Fraud.

Make any car you want but be careful about stamping things to make the car appear to be original. 

I respectfully disagree. There are people who will stamp anything for a buck