New Muscle Car Review...Chock Full Of Chargers

[Orange_Crush]

Here's a few scans.

So Chris,

What does the article say about Old School vs 06? Or should I say what do they state to attempt the brainwashing?

Lizard, as always, the registry is always there to help. You can view the entire article over here... http://1970chargerregistry.com/Gallery/albums.php
You'd be surprised at the results. The '70 held it's ground I should say.

ps- I still like the new one. I just don't compare it to the classics.

Sure- Lets put the new 06 HEMI charger up against a 70 440 4 bbl instead of a 70 HEMI charger. That way the new 06 HEMI charger will win (barely) and we can sell more 06 chargers with all the great advertisement.

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

 

Well, if you're gonna use a '70 Hemi Charger then you should use an '06 Charger SRT-8 which is a suitable comparison given the price premiums.  AT that point I'd love to see your response when the SRT-8 Annihilates the '70.

[70charginglizard]

Here's a few scans.

So Chris,

What does the article say about Old School vs 06? Or should I say what do they state to attempt the brainwashing?

Hey I just want to see hemi against hemi. Thats all

Lizard, as always, the registry is always there to help. You can view the entire article over here... http://1970chargerregistry.com/Gallery/albums.php
You'd be surprised at the results. The '70 held it's ground I should say.

ps- I still like the new one. I just don't compare it to the classics.

Sure- Lets put the new 06 HEMI charger up against a 70 440 4 bbl instead of a 70 HEMI charger. That way the new 06 HEMI charger will win (barely) and we can sell more 06 chargers with all the great advertisement.

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

 

Well, if you're gonna use a '70 Hemi Charger then you should use an '06 Charger SRT-8 which is a suitable comparison given the price premiums.   AT that point I'd love to see your response when the SRT-8 Annihilates the '70.

Hey I just want to see hemi against hemi...thats all

[Orange_Crush]

Hey I just want to see hemi against hemi...thats all

Fair enough...I have no beef with that except for one thing.

Chrysler sells the Charger with three different Hemi packages. 

The first is the standard 5.7 Hemi rated at 340 horses which, in '70 Charger parlance would be comparable to the 440 4bbl

The second is the 5.7 Hemi with the road and track package which adds ten horses for 350.  This would compare to the 440 6-pack

The third is the 425 horse 6.1 SRT engine which would compare to the top level 426 Hemi.

So, yeah, while the 5.7 IS called a hemi, it is really just their base Charger v-8 engine.

Personally, I'd like to see a comparison between a 318 '70 Charger and a V-6 '06 Charger.

[bull]

Here's a few scans.

So Chris,

What does the article say about Old School vs 06? Or should I say what do they state to attempt the brainwashing?

Lizard, as always, the registry is always there to help. You can view the entire article over here... http://1970chargerregistry.com/Gallery/albums.php
You'd be surprised at the results. The '70 held it's ground I should say.

ps- I still like the new one. I just don't compare it to the classics.

Sure- Lets put the new 06 HEMI charger up against a 70 440 4 bbl instead of a 70 HEMI charger. That way the new 06 HEMI charger will win (barely) and we can sell more 06 chargers with all the great advertisement.

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

 

Well, if you're gonna use a '70 Hemi Charger then you should use an '06 Charger SRT-8 which is a suitable comparison given the price premiums.   AT that point I'd love to see your response when the SRT-8 Annihilates the '70.

The '06 has already annihilated every previous Charger in the butt-ugly category.

[70charginglizard]

It could be interesting-

70 hemi charger: Horsepower @ r.p.m. .....425 @ 5000, Torque, lb-ft @ r.p.m. ……490 @ 4000

06 6.1 L hemi charger: 425 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque

[Old Moparz]

in the new hemmings muscle mag they do a big feature about a drk green 69 hemi 550 relli sweet but 7$ for mag and no $$ flowing i could not afford it-MATT

That magazine is really nice & always has very good photographs. I have a subscription to it & it was pretty cheap, maybe the price of 3 single issues? I didn't realize it was $7 per copy so the subscription is dirt cheap then.

[Orange_Crush]

It could be interesting-

70 hemi charger: Horsepower @ r.p.m. .....425 @ 5000, Torque, lb-ft @ r.p.m. ……490 @ 4000

06 6.1 L hemi charger: 425 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque

Keep in mind the "gross vs. net" factor.

The new car has its HP measured at the crank with full air intake system and full stock exhaust as well as all engine-driven accessories in place.   

The old hemi's HP was measured at the crank with open headers, no accessories, and an air horn.

In any case, the old hemi was underrated.   I'd put actual gross HP for the 426 up around 470-480.

[Old Moparz]

Maybe the old cars are more "fun" since you have to be more of a driver behind the wheel, but I have to say that the majority of people buying cars want better. I know I do, & that's why I have newer cars/trucks to take care of daily chores. I like reliability, A/C, good handling, comfort, safety & conveniences. I love the old cars quite a bit, & would seriously say I'd give up a newer car I have over one of my old ones if I had to make that decision. (Hypothetically that is.)

The look, feel, design & the whole package of an old car you grew up around, can't be replaced by a newer one. Sentimental reasons will also add to it, like when I drove 2000 miles in my ragtop with my girlfriend to the '85 Nats & through Canada. (She's now my wife.) I could make that same trip next week in my Dodge Ram or her Mitsubishi Endeavor, & the only thing I'll probably get excited over is knowing I'm on vacation.

I don't think I could get sentimental over any new car these days unless something spectacular happened in one. Maybe something like making that 2000 trip with Angela Jolie in a new Charger? 

[Brock Samson]

Well said bull     

When my car arrived in container and while unloading, people said to me "....be carefull with this car, if you hit somebody in today's car you can disintegrate it...."     So much about European five stars crush tests

I realize that in Croatia your Charger is about twice the size of the average car, but that said,..
  ...the newer cars "Crush Zones" are designed and built to disintegrate so the impact energy is dissapated in the crumple zones of the car and the occupants are spared. The only real advantage to the older iron is in it's mass... and if safety is an issue i would bet the newer car at a hefty 4,200 and with it's side air baggs & anti lock brakes, is far superior, just look at the stopping distances. I've asked before, and I'll ask again...
Who wears their shoulder belts in their classic?..
I don't like the new sedan being called a Charger, and I don't care for it's appearance, and I hate the trucky plastic interior and it's overall lack of sporty, personal, hartop style...


But, you have to admit cars have improved on many fronts... other then styling.
We classic owners are primarily concerned with style and power.

[Shakey]

Well said bull     

When my car arrived in container and while unloading, people said to me "....be carefull with this car, if you hit somebody in today's car you can disintegrate it...."     So much about European five stars crush tests

I realize that in Croatia your Charger is about twice the size of the average car, but that said,..
  ...the newer cars "Crush Zones" are designed and built to disintegrate so the impact energy is dissapated in the crumple zones of the car and the occupants are spared. The only real advantage to the older iron is in it's mass... and if safety is an issue i would bet the newer car at a hefty 4,200 and with it's side air baggs & anti lock brakes, is far superior, just look at the stopping distances. I've asked before, and I'll ask again...
Who wears their shoulder belts in their classic?..
I don't like the new sedan being called a Charger, and I don't care for it's appearance, and I hate the trucky plastic interior and it's overall lack of sporty, personal, hartop style...


But, you have to admit cars have improved on many fronts... other then styling.
We classic owners are primarily concerned with style and power.

Correct!  And it is a good thing that mankind progresses forward rather than backwards!   

[bull]

But, you have to admit cars have improved on many fronts... other then styling.

Then why don't they deal with the styling issues and hit a home run rather than constantly farting around trying to steal third base? They've got all this fancy technology and gadgetry wrapped in crap. I just don't get it.

[Old Moparz]

I've asked before, and I'll ask again...  Who wears their shoulder belts in their classic?..

I never heard you ask that, so I'll answer it now. I do.

I wore it in my friend's Superbird over the summer when I drove it into the guiderail & a Honda, & it kept me in the seat & I didn't get hurt. I wear it in my Scamp, but since the Satellite is a ragtop, all I have is the lap belt.

[Brock Samson]

   Re: Styling,.. one huge difference in the old Vs. new debate is/are the overhangs... Modern style is characterised by short overhangs as opposed to our classics, there are many reasons for this which have to do with compact packaging and centrally located mass, but the German's high end designs began that trend in the '90s with the BMW's in particular and others following suit.
the current front off-side crash tests and upcoming front crash standards in particular the "Pedestrian Impact" standards in the E.U. (European Union) mean blunt noses with several inches of "give space" between the hood and engine are going to result in less sleek form fitting bodywork, and even in airbags located in the front bumpers for the sake of the people and dogs who get run over...  
Ma Mopar's "Cab Forward" also pushed the wheels to the corners in their bread and butter platforms and if you look at the problems with G.M.'s F-bodies (Firebird and Camaro) you'll see alot of wasted space in those designs which are particularly inefficient.
Re: Safety the old shoulder belts are a P.I.T.A. (pain in the ass) as they don't retract, self adjust or lock which means they must be cinched tight to be effective,precluding reaching for anything...  
I must admit I don't use mine...

So,.. anyhow, the new '06 sedan is to the old Charger what the Black Eyed Peas are to the Ohio Players,.. Funk Lite...  

[Orange_Crush]

Black Eyed Peas

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm     Fergie.

Funkalicious...

[Troy]

in the new hemmings muscle mag they do a big feature about a drk green 69 hemi 550 relli sweet but 7$ for mag and no $$ flowing i could not afford it-MATT

That magazine is really nice & always has very good photographs. I have a subscription to it & it was pretty cheap, maybe the price of 3 single issues? I didn't realize it was $7 per copy so the subscription is dirt cheap then.

He's in Canada.

Troy

[Dale The Bold]

Of course, the only problem with all of that Bull (and I agreee with you btw) is that probably 97% of todays drivers are morons who need all the help they can get behind the wheel.

Yeah, but which is the cause and which is the effect?  I think the reason we have so many bad drivers is in part because we made driving so much of a casual experience.  Gone are the days when 65 MPH was scary.  So now people casually drift from lane to lane or merge into traffic like they're on a Sunday drive, because all of the creature comforts and automatic "driving" the car does for them gives them a false sense of security.  It's like the saying, "Make something idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot."  We're breeding an army of super-morons.

And yet, people are more concerned about saving gas on a light weight econo-box than wrapping themselves in steel just in case there's a big crash.  Cars keep getting lighter, faster, and a falser sense of security with time.

[Pistolpete]

WOW !!

thats the colour !! ........... thats the colour I was asking about before...what did you say it was? XP Hemi Orange??

does anyone have any more pics ?

Thats the colour I want to use once I get mine finished!!

AWESOME!! 

[70charginglizard]

Of course, the only problem with all of that Bull (and I agreee with you btw) is that probably 97% of todays drivers are morons who need all the help they can get behind the wheel.

Yeah, but which is the cause and which is the effect?   I think the reason we have so many bad drivers is in part because we made driving so much of a casual experience.   Gone are the days when 65 MPH was scary.   So now people casually drift from lane to lane or merge into traffic like they're on a Sunday drive, because all of the creature comforts and automatic "driving" the car does for them gives them a false sense of security.   It's like the saying, "Make something idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot."   We're breeding an army of super-morons.

And yet, people are more concerned about saving gas on a light weight econo-box than wrapping themselves in steel just in case there's a big crash.   Cars keep getting lighter, faster, and a falser sense of security with time.

"Make something idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot."

..... ...no doubt

[miller]

So in reading the article the new charger was more the upgraded version (r/t with road and track package).  Shouldnt then the charger have been at least upgraded with front disc brakes (it was an option) and a 440 6 pack.  Although i understand those are few and far between, and the owners probably wouldnt let them do that to their cars.  But to me that would be the fairer fight.

[ChargerBill]

Did anyone else find it interesteing that with 35 years of innovation and technological advancement that the new Creeder only managed to MARGINALLY outdo the Classic Charger. I mean, you'd think it could eat the '70 for lunch, and really all it did was barely beat it. It's like a 20 year old man bragging that he can run faster and jump higher than a 55 year old man, and then when it comes down to it the 55 year old is nipping at the 20 year olds heels. Who do you respect when you witness something like that?...the 55 year old!! Case closed....

[SirNik73]

This is what i have to say about newer cars... there is no way to give the car a tune-up!

Here is My Fuel Management System!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheGhost]

It could be interesting-

70 hemi charger: Horsepower @ r.p.m. .....425 @ 5000, Torque, lb-ft @ r.p.m. ……490 @ 4000

06 6.1 L hemi charger: 425 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque

Someone needs to set this up.

[Silver R/T]

turd vs Charger hmm, Im sure who won

[TheGhost]

turd vs Charger hmm, Im sure who won

It would seem that in every category except looks, the so called "Turd" won.

[70charginglizard]

This is what i have to say about newer cars... there is no way to give the car a tune-up!

Here is My Fuel Management System!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great point!