WARNING! DANGER! If you are or will run a flat tappet cam read this!!!

[Fred]

Thanks for that tan top. I just watched the video and if it's good enough for Jay Leno, It's good enough for me 
But whether or not it's available here is another matter. I will definitely look into it. 

[tan top]

Thanks for that tan top. I just watched the video and if it's good enough for Jay Leno, It's good enough for me  
But whether or not it's available here is another matter. I will definitely look into it.  

http://www.torcousa.com/6-dealer/australia.html

http://www.torcousa.com/full-line.html


 

[Fred]

Thanks for that tan top. I just watched the video and if it's good enough for Jay Leno, It's good enough for me  
But whether or not it's available here is another matter. I will definitely look into it.  

http://www.torcousa.com/6-dealer/australia.html

http://www.torcousa.com/full-line.html


 

Just checked out that info tan top and some of the places are just a stones throw away from my place.  Thanks again for your help. 

[NorwayCharger]

This was interresting reading.
ZDDP :     http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31791
Diesel oil :http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32279

[RIDGERACER383]

I only have hours on my engine and it was rebuilt in 93 with the same Penzoil oil in it from 93 which is still clean and clear.So I guess I'm good right?it was 5w30 break in oil I think.

[Cooter]

I only have hours on my engine and it was rebuilt in 93 with the same Penzoil oil in it from 93 which is still clean and clear.So I guess I'm good right?it was 5w30 break in oil I think.

Yes, that oil SHOULD have still had high amounts of Zinc in it. Once broken in, find a GOOD quality oil that is high in ZDDP.
I use Spectro Racing oil. Even the Rotella Diesel oils are having the Zinc pulled from them.

[RIDGERACER383]

Kool...thanks cooter

[The70RT]

I only have hours on my engine and it was rebuilt in 93 with the same Penzoil oil in it from 93 which is still clean and clear.So I guess I'm good right?it was 5w30 break in oil I think.

Yes, that oil SHOULD have still had high amounts of Zinc in it. Once broken in, find a GOOD quality oil that is high in ZDDP.
I use Spectro Racing oil. Even the Rotella Diesel oils are having the Zinc pulled from them.

Too late, Rotella pulled the zinc like 2 or 3 years ago  

[RIDGERACER383]

The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.

[68CoronetRT]

So if someone is going to buy some off the shelf oil for their car.... what combo/brand would you buy?

And what would you run for a 'cam break in' oil? just fill the pan up with the comp cam stuff?

Or just 10-30 valvoline and add 1 qrt of the comp cam stuff?

[squeakfinder]

     AutoRestorer magazine just recommended this to a reader.....





                                              http://www.classiccaroil.com/

[Fred]

The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.

[Ghoste]

The restoration shop at the place where I work use the Gibbs stuff.  They use the break in oil for breaking in and then the hot rod-musclecar one for running.

[dodgeguydelta]

I was informed by firefighter and another pal about the importance of having a zinc additive added to your oil during initial cam break in. I used regular oil on my break in and began to panic so I wanted to get the story....and it is potentially catastrophic!

I called Valvoline this morning and spoke to Chris at their tech department and confirmend the story; zinc dithiophosphate (ZnDTP) levels were reduced by mandate of the EPA within the past year. He said regular oils now have less than 850 ppm ZnDTP but their diesel oils are still between 900 and 1000 PPM and their valvoline racing oil has 1300ppm because it's designed for off-road use.

OK, so that's the oil part, I then called Engle, the manufacturer of my cam  and spoke to Doug. I asked about the low zinc deal and asked if this was really something to worry about, he said YES. In fact he stated emphatically to use an additive not only during break-in but ALL THE TIME. he said the low ZnDTP will eat the cam/lifters and due to shavings floating around the engine...eventually the rest of the motor will go too.

Brad Penn motor oil is the answer. Google it Summit Racing has it.
So what to do?

- Use a Zinc additive. Engle suggests "justice brothers" and figherfighter suggests GM EOS or ZZDP plus
- My pal talked to Bullet racing cams (they custom ground his hemi cam) and they say any oil conforming to CI-4 rating (Diesel oil) offers adequate protection
- I haven't tried any additive yet so I can't make a recommendation...but feel free to add to this post

I can't believe this isn't getting press...or if it has I sure missed it.

P.S. my engine is OK 

[AKcharger]

Will said AK! 

[squeakfinder]

   Think I'll just stick with ZDDPlus additive.....



               http://www.zddplus.com/index.htm

[1974dodgecharger]

Either way it seems its best to add a zinc/phosphoe in every oil change we do ourselves.

[nvrbdn]

The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.

my engine guy just told me to get the brad penn. thats what just went in mine.

[Fred]

The green oil from Brad Penn "Penn Grade 1" looks good..High zink in it.

my engine guy just told me to get the brad penn. thats what just went in mine.

Good choice. I use nothing but. 

[Charger74SE]

I just put my 318 back in in Sept and the Machine Shop that I used recommended using Lucas Break-in Oil Additive not only for initial break-in but also for your normal oil change. I went to the Lucas Website and downloaded the TDS sheet and it says that this additive contains 5000ppm of Zinc.
This is what I'm going to stay with.

[1974dodgecharger]

found out amsoil has a oil now with zinc/phosphorus line called Z-rod specially for the flat tappet cams. 

[Ghoste]

It's great to see these specialty oil companies stepping up to bat for us like this.  I hope their investment pays off with customer support.

[bobfist]

This was the first thing i leared when i started to work with old american cars, ALWAYS zink oil in these old engines

[ChargerKen]

Comp cams recommended rotella in installation instructions, so that's what was used after proper break-in. When I built my 440 rotella had removed the zinc. Smoked the cam and lifters in it.

[Ghoste]

That sucks, I thought Comp recommended their own zinc additive or something like that.