Us fat people are killing the planet now.

[hutch]

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSL1572011320080515?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&rpc=22&sp=true


If they try and take away my beer and twinkie breakfast i will shoot back and it will hurt.

[Goodz]

That's just BS!  Yeah, fat people (myself included) are less likely to walk as opposed to driving.  But let's face it, we live in America!  We drive because we WANT to.  We do what we want because we WANT to.  That's how democracy works.  They are saying that fat people need to eat more to support their weight.  What about bodybuilders?  They eat lots too, it's just a different kind of food.  Those people never considered that the reason fat people are fat is because they eat empty calories, like donuts and candy and such, to sustain themselves.  I doubt that is the problem for a rise is soy and rice prices.  As for gas prices, come on!  I mean really... just... come on!  It's because they CAN charge us that amount of money and get away with it, so they will continue to charge that money until we figure out a way to get away from the pumps... like alternative fuel sources.

[RECHRGD]

I'd be for a new tax based upon BMI's over 25.  The heavier you are, the more tax you must pay.  Just think about it, more revenue to fight dreaded global warming and an incentive to eat healthier foods.  Oh, wait just a minute!  Healthier food usually is thought of as fruits and vegetables and in my experience create a bit more flatulence that a meat and potato type diet.  That may just offset the potential benefit to the planet by having a population with lower BMI's.  It's a known fact that cow farts are a huge contributer to greenhouse gases, so just imagine the havoc that billions of people with increased emissions of bodily gases could inflict upon Mother Earth.  It would be harder to monitor individual gas emissions for tax revenue purposes though.  Bob

[bigdaddydodge]

that has got to be the biggest crock of horse doodoo i've ever heard in my life some self-rightious jerkwad just trying to make up for his lack of manhood i'd like to bury him in a big ol smoke cloud from my truck

[dodgecharger-fan]

It's a known fact that cow farts are a huge contributer to greenhouse gases

Save the world. Eat steak.

[Orange_Crush]

That's just BS!  Yeah, fat people (myself included) are less likely to walk as opposed to driving.  But let's face it, we live in America!  We drive because we WANT to.  We do what we want because we WANT to.  That's how democracy works.

No its not.  A democracy works by giving the power to the people and allowing them to make their own laws.  In a democracy, the majority would rule...ergo...if the majority wanted to tax you for being fat, they would do so.

In any case, the United States of America is NOT a Democracy.  It is a representative republic.

 

They are saying that fat people need to eat more to support their weight.  What about bodybuilders?  They eat lots too, it's just a different kind of food.  Those people never considered that the reason fat people are fat is because they eat empty calories, like donuts and candy and such, to sustain themselves.

 

Flawed.  Bodybuilders and fat people are NOTHING alike in their eating habits other than the fact that the food goes in their mouths.  Professional bodybuilders eat exactly as much as is required to sustain their muscle mass...no more, no less.  They are very efficient eaters.

Fat people are not.  Fat people eat more (MUCH more) than is required to sustain their muscle mass.  Fat people arte very inefficiet eaters.

I'm a big guy myself, but lets be realistic here.

[Blown70]

That's just BS!  Yeah, fat people (myself included) are less likely to walk as opposed to driving.  But let's face it, we live in America!  We drive because we WANT to.  We do what we want because we WANT to.  That's how democracy works.  They are saying that fat people need to eat more to support their weight.  What about bodybuilders?  They eat lots too, it's just a different kind of food.  Those people never considered that the reason fat people are fat is because they eat empty calories, like donuts and candy and such, to sustain themselves.  I doubt that is the problem for a rise is soy and rice prices.  As for gas prices, come on!  I mean really... just... come on!  It's because they CAN charge us that amount of money and get away with it, so they will continue to charge that money until we figure out a way to get away from the pumps... like alternative fuel sources.

Ok, I happen to be a bodybuilder, so, it depends on what the OVERweight is, Lean body mass (ie, muscle or fat),  For my height I am 45lbs over weight, DONT look it but I am.  That is becasue of the type of weight it is.

Also, there was a study done that stated, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU ARE OVERWEIGHT FROM MUSCLE OR FAT, you will have health issue from having a weight higher than recommened.

Now, genetically I do not have cholesterol issues or do I stem from people that were "fat"  Guess  I have it easy.  But it does matter what you put in your mouth.  Most people are amazed with how many calories I eat in a day.....  But they are what would be called "clean" calories for the most part

Ohh and yes I have been on-stage and NO I am NO pro bodybuilder.

Not dont go get pissy with me..... 

Tom

[Goodz]

That's just BS!  Yeah, fat people (myself included) are less likely to walk as opposed to driving.  But let's face it, we live in America!  We drive because we WANT to.  We do what we want because we WANT to.  That's how democracy works.  They are saying that fat people need to eat more to support their weight.  What about bodybuilders?  They eat lots too, it's just a different kind of food.  Those people never considered that the reason fat people are fat is because they eat empty calories, like donuts and candy and such, to sustain themselves.  I doubt that is the problem for a rise is soy and rice prices.  As for gas prices, come on!  I mean really... just... come on!  It's because they CAN charge us that amount of money and get away with it, so they will continue to charge that money until we figure out a way to get away from the pumps... like alternative fuel sources.

Ok, I happen to be a bodybuilder, so, it depends on what the OVERweight is, Lean body mass (ie, muscle or fat),  For my height I am 45lbs over weight, DONT look it but I am.  That is becasue of the type of weight it is.

Also, there was a study done that stated, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU ARE OVERWEIGHT FROM MUSCLE OR FAT, you will have health issue from having a weight higher than recommened.

Now, genetically I do not have cholesterol issues or do I stem from people that were "fat"  Guess  I have it easy.  But it does matter what you put in your mouth.  Most people are amazed with how many calories I eat in a day.....  But they are what would be called "clean" calories for the most part

Ohh and yes I have been on-stage and NO I am NO pro bodybuilder.

Not dont go get pissy with me..... 

Tom

Thank you, Tom.  You are proving my point.  Just let me start off by saying I have nothing against bodybuilders at all.  This whole "study" is retarded.  Their whole theory is based on fat people eat more CALORIES than everyone else, and this is effecting the food/gas/everything else prices.  I was just pointing out, since I worked in a gym for a few years as a lifeguard, that I know/knew a lot of bodybuilders and while whey dont eat the qwuantity of foods that "fat" people eat, they still take in a lot of calories (calorie injected chicken, protein bars, protein shakes, etc etc).  Hope you didnt take it the wrong way.  I think this whole thing is retarded, and I bet every person on that panel doing their "study" is skinny.   

[Goodz]

In any case, the United States of America is NOT a Democracy.  It is a representative republic.

No, it's a democracy.  Ask any politician.  Has it become more like a republic?  Absolutely, but we are still a democracy.  Proof being... if you have the money, you can do and get away with whatever you want.  Dont make me get into specifics, but you know money talks in this country.

[Chad L. Magee]

I'd be for a new tax based upon BMI's over 25.  The heavier you are, the more tax you must pay.  Just think about it, more revenue to fight dreaded global warming and an incentive to eat healthier foods.  Oh, wait just a minute!  Healthier food usually is thought of as fruits and vegetables and in my experience create a bit more flatulence that a meat and potato type diet.  That may just offset the potential benefit to the planet by having a population with lower BMI's.  It's a known fact that cow farts are a huge contributer to greenhouse gases, so just imagine the havoc that billions of people with increased emissions of bodily gases could inflict upon Mother Earth.  It would be harder to monitor individual gas emissions for tax revenue purposes though.  Bob

Be careful or a politican might hear you and decide that we all need to have a catalytic converter attached to our bodies' exaust systems to prevent methane emission.  Then we would be required to have an annual emission inspection for a fee to make sure we are in compliance.  The more you emit, the more money they charge you to fix the problem......

[Vainglory, Esq.]

In any case, the United States of America is NOT a Democracy.  It is a representative republic.

No, it's a democracy.  Ask any politician.  Has it become more like a republic?  Absolutely, but we are still a democracy.  Proof being... if you have the money, you can do and get away with whatever you want.  Dont make me get into specifics, but you know money talks in this country.

It was never a democracy.  The country was specifically set up to mitigate the excesses of democracy.  And seriously, "ask any politician"?  You'd trust them?  The only reason they're politicians is because they're too stupid to find a real job.

[Goodz]

No, I dont TRUST politicians at all.  Just saying, THEY would say it is a democracy.  It was a little shot of sarcasm in there.  this country was founded to break away from mother England to pursue freedom in a democracy.  power hungry politicians ruined it, but we are still classified as a democracy. 

[Vainglory, Esq.]

No.  We're not.  Look it up.

Seriously.

[bull]

In any case, the United States of America is NOT a Democracy.  It is a representative republic.

No, it's a democracy.  Ask any politician.  Has it become more like a republic?  Absolutely, but we are still a democracy.  Proof being... if you have the money, you can do and get away with whatever you want.  Dont make me get into specifics, but you know money talks in this country.

It was never a democracy.  The country was specifically set up to mitigate the excesses of democracy.  And seriously, "ask any politician"?  You'd trust them?  The only reason they're politicians is because they're too stupid to find a real job.

Yup, and probably 90% of them have law degrees.

Anyway, all this is not my fault anymore. I've lost 30 lbs. since March 25th.

[Orange_Crush]

In any case, the United States of America is NOT a Democracy.  It is a representative republic.

No, it's a democracy.  Ask any politician.  Has it become more like a republic?  Absolutely, but we are still a democracy.  Proof being... if you have the money, you can do and get away with whatever you want.  Dont make me get into specifics, but you know money talks in this country.

Nope, its a Republic.  It is now and has ALWAYS been a republic.  It was envisioned as a republic by our founding fathers and that's what it is.   You should know by know that politicians like to use words to good effect. 

Democracy is like communism.  Good idea but impossible to put into practice. 

[bull]

No, I dont TRUST politicians at all.  Just saying, THEY would say it is a democracy.  It was a little shot of sarcasm in there.  this country was founded to break away from mother England to pursue freedom in a democracy.  power hungry politicians ruined it, but we are still classified as a democracy. 

No. The United States government is usually referred to as a Representative Republic or a Representative Democracy with emphasis on the word representative. This is why we have representatives in Congress, an electoral college, superdelegates, the Republican delegate selection, etc. Pure Democracies are actually a pretty dangerous method of running a country when it comes to the enforcement of civil rights. Our Bill of Rights would be nothing more than bird cage liner if we were a pure Democracy. If most people in the US decided that blacks should still be slaves or that women shouldn't vote you can see how a pure Democracy would be dangerous.

[Orange_Crush]

No, I dont TRUST politicians at all.  Just saying, THEY would say it is a democracy.  It was a little shot of sarcasm in there.  this country was founded to break away from mother England to pursue freedom in a democracy.  power hungry politicians ruined it, but we are still classified as a democracy. 

No. The United States government is usually referred to as a Representative Republic or a Representative Democracy with emphasis on the word representative. This is why we have representatives in Congress, an electoral college, superdelegates, the Republican delegate selection, etc. Pure Democracies are actually a pretty dangerous method of running a country when it comes to the enforcement of civil rights. Our Bill of Rights would be nothing more than bird cage liner if we were a pure Democracy. If most people in the US decided that blacks should still be slaves or that women shouldn't vote you can see how a pure Democracy would be dangerous.

Or that we should raid the public treasury, or people who drove Charger's should be hanged etc. etc. etc.

[bull]

Actually, I should have said the US is labeled a Representative Republic and sometimes referred to as a Representative Democracy. I don't know this for sure but I'm willing to bet the term "Representative Democracy" was created by the Democrats because I hadn't heard this term until recently.

[Blown70]

Thank you, Tom.  You are proving my point.  Just let me start off by saying I have nothing against bodybuilders at all.  This whole "study" is retarded.  Their whole theory is based on fat people eat more CALORIES than everyone else, and this is effecting the food/gas/everything else prices.  I was just pointing out, since I worked in a gym for a few years as a lifeguard, that I know/knew a lot of bodybuilders and while whey dont eat the qwuantity of foods that "fat" people eat, they still take in a lot of calories (calorie injected chicken, protein bars, protein shakes, etc etc).  Hope you didnt take it the wrong way.  I think this whole thing is retarded, and I bet every person on that panel doing their "study" is skinny.   

Ohh I should have stated I agree with you..... Forgot that part. 

[TruckDriver]

That is just flat out a discriminating way of thinking there. He to me sounds like one of those people out there that just simply HATE anyone who is fat, just because they are fat. I weigh 445 pounds and am 6'0 tall. But my weight problems is not because I eat to much (my 13yo way out eats me, and is only a little chubby), it is because my body has a extremely low metabolism. I gain 2 or 3 pounds for everyone that gains 1 pound when eating.  Another words, If I eat a bowl of ice cream with 3 scoops in it, I gain at least 2 pounds every time. Most people will only gain a pound or less because they have better metabolisms then I do. Keep in mind, I RARELY eat at fast food places (1 or 2 times a month maybe), or eat out period. And if I do eat out, I prefer Subway. My point is, not everyone is fat because of lack of exercise or laziness. For some people like me, it is truly a medical reason. That guy needs a death by fat people. Yes........ lets sit on him

[Old Moparz]

I'm still going to buy dark beer, it tastes great & it's more filling.   

[bull]

That is just flat out a discriminating way of thinking there. He to me sounds like one of those people out there that just simply HATE anyone who is fat, just because they are fat. I weigh 445 pounds and am 6'0 tall. But my weight problems is not because I eat to much (my 13yo way out eats me, and is only a little chubby), it is because my body has a extremely low metabolism. I gain 2 or 3 pounds for everyone that gains 1 pound when eating.  Another words, If I eat a bowl of ice cream with 3 scoops in it, I gain at least 2 pounds every time. Most people will only gain a pound or less because they have better metabolisms then I do. Keep in mind, I RARELY eat at fast food places (1 or 2 times a month maybe), or eat out period. And if I do eat out, I prefer Subway. My point is, not everyone is fat because of lack of exercise or laziness. For some people like me, it is truly a medical reason. That guy needs a death by fat people. Yes........ lets sit on him

Nothing personal against you, Pete, but that's a real dangerous rumor/assumption that's been going around. If it were at all true you would have seen some fat people walking out of Auschwitz when it was liberated instead of just walking skeletons. Maybe you do have a slow metabolism but that means you need to speed it up (with exercise) on one end and take in fewer calories on the other. I'm the same way as you but I went to a nutritionist a few months ago and got some tips about what I was doing wrong and what I discovered was that I was consuming at least 1,000-1,500 calories too many each day. I later heard a story on the radio about a guy who found out he was consuming about 7,000 more calories/day than he should have and didn't realize it. And eating out is not the only culprit although it's a big one. Processed food is a major issue too because it's always loaded with sugar and sodium. I'm just over 6' tall and I finally decided I'd had enough when I started reaching the 300 lb. mark. The blood clots were a big wake up call too and when the nurse weighed me that first doctor visit in January I was surprised to see I weighed 290. Since then I've gotten down to 254 and I'm shooting for 220 before I reassess and consider what direction I want to go then (weight lifting?). All I do now is go for a 20-minute walk 4-6 times a week to burn calories and increase my circulation and I now consume between 2,000-2,500 calories a day instead of 3k-4k. I'm 41 now and I just can't eat like I could when I was 18 but that was the mindset I had for the past 20+ years. My BP was getting high, my cholesterol was getting high and of course my weight was getting out of control so I set a goal to lose 5 lbs. each month for one year and instead I've lost 30 lbs in less than two months. My food choices are limited but I don't really care because if I don't get a handle on it now it's going to kill me or make me wish I was dead.

[Back N Black]

That is just flat out a discriminating way of thinking there. He to me sounds like one of those people out there that just simply HATE anyone who is fat, just because they are fat. I weigh 445 pounds and am 6'0 tall. But my weight problems is not because I eat to much (my 13yo way out eats me, and is only a little chubby), it is because my body has a extremely low metabolism. I gain 2 or 3 pounds for everyone that gains 1 pound when eating.  Another words, If I eat a bowl of ice cream with 3 scoops in it, I gain at least 2 pounds every time. Most people will only gain a pound or less because they have better metabolisms then I do. Keep in mind, I RARELY eat at fast food places (1 or 2 times a month maybe), or eat out period. And if I do eat out, I prefer Subway. My point is, not everyone is fat because of lack of exercise or laziness. For some people like me, it is truly a medical reason. That guy needs a death by fat people. Yes........ lets sit on him

Nothing personal against you, Pete, but that's a real dangerous rumor/assumption that's been going around. If it were at all true you would have seen some fat people walking out of Auschwitz when it was liberated instead of just walking skeletons. Maybe you do have a slow metabolism but that means you need to speed it up (with exercise) on one end and take in fewer calories on the other. I'm the same way as you but I went to a nutritionist a few months ago and got some tips about what I was doing wrong and what I discovered was that I was consuming at least 1,000-1,500 calories too many each day. I later heard a story on the radio about a guy who found out he was consuming about 7,000 more calories/day than he should have and didn't realize it. And eating out is not the only culprit although it's a big one. Processed food is a major issue too because it's always loaded with sugar and sodium. I'm just over 6' tall and I finally decided I'd had enough when I started reaching the 300 lb. mark. The blood clots were a big wake up call too and when the nurse weighed me that first doctor visit in March I was surprised to see I weighed 290. Since then I've gotten down to 254 and I'm shooting for 220 before I reassess and consider what direction I want to go then (weight lifting?). All I do now is go for a 20-minute walk 4-6 times a week to burn calories and increase my circulation and I now consume between 2,000-2,500 calories a day instead of 3k-4k. I'm 41 now and I just can't eat like I could when I was 18 but that was the mindset I had for the past 20+ years. My BP was getting high, my cholesterol was getting high and of course my weight was getting out of control so I set a goal to lose 5 lbs. each month for one year and instead I've lost 30 lbs in less than two months. My food choices are limited but I don't really care because if I don't get a handle on it now it's going to kill me or make me wish I was dead.

Thats great Bull, congrats.  Sometimes we need a good kick in the pants to get things going. I'm the same. i gain real easy and i have to watch what i eat and exercise regularly.

[bull]

Thanks. It really hasn't been that big of a deal. I don't think I deserve any accolades for doing what I should be doing anyway. In my case I think being fat was like walking around with my a$$ on fire and refusing to sit in a mud puddle to douse the flames. In other words I had to do some work and get a little dirty to improve my situation but I really haven't had to work that hard yet to get good results. I bet I'll have to work harder once I get closer to 220 though.

I only counted calories for about a week to get an idea of how much I should eat and now I weigh myself every day to make sure I'm still losing lbs. I can automatically tell now when I've eaten too much before I even get on the scale. Once in a while I still eat some of the stuff that can make you fat, I just eat less of it and I eat it less often (like a small cheeseburger twice a month instead a colossal bacon jumbo twice a week). The thing I told myself when I started this was it's not going to kill me (starvation) to lose the weight but it'll kill me if I don't. I feel much better now than I have in years and when I get down to my target weight I'm going to feel better than better.

[Mike DC]

 
You can convince the public of anything if you count on their inability to grasp the proportions of numbers on things.

So a group publishes this study.  Now, I'll bet some (thin) people reading it will actually believe it's time to take the focus off tightening the industrial pollution laws and start persecuting fat people instead.