Minnesota Legislature wants California style emissions.

[my73charger]

Sucks if this goes through.  Just what we need, yet more expense.

http://www.startribune.com/17648204.html

[Blown70]

Well good thing I am in ND then ......    

[TruckDriver]

If you guys get it, I'm sure Wisconsin will be right behind    

[ITSA426]

I live in Minnesota and I'd pay it.  It applies to new cars after 2012. 

Now if they would just start fixing the roads and bridges here rather than buy baseball stadiums for billionaires with my tax dollars I'd be a happier camper.

[PocketThunder]

Next up, we cant use incandescent light bulbs, and the power company will control our homes thermostadt.

[my73charger]

I live in Minnesota and I'd pay it.  It applies to new cars after 2012. 

Now if they would just start fixing the roads and bridges here rather than buy baseball stadiums for billionaires with my tax dollars I'd be a happier camper.

I know it applies to new cars after 2012.  I am still against it.  More expense to cars and the next thing will be yearly inspections. 

[Brock Samson]

  Since the rest of the states tend to follow Calif. (down the toilet)... your gonna love these new rules and regs...  :yesnod

fishing season is canceled.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/10/national/a193303D18.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=013&sc=199

no more woodburning in fireplaces:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/EDMMVU10L.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=015&sc=188

gas guzzelers to pay for fuel sippers:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/MNIMVUPFF.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=031&sc=140

Calif. Gas formulations lead to highest fuel prices in the nation:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

banned plastic bags will cost you 15 to 25 cents each:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

all parking fees and fines to as much as double:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/29/MNOFVSA29.DTL&hw=parking&sn=008&sc=111

making it as easy as they can for illegal immigrants:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/BA0NVUM70.DTL&hw=employee+health+care&sn=022&sc=150

there's alot more... but your probably scared enough now I'd think... 

[my73charger]

  Since the rest of the states tend to follow Calif. (down the toilet)... your gonna love these new rules and regs...  :yesnod

fishing season is canceled.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/10/national/a193303D18.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=013&sc=199

no more woodburning in fireplaces:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/EDMMVU10L.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=015&sc=188

gas guzzelers to pay for fuel sippers:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/MNIMVUPFF.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=031&sc=140

Calif. Gas formulations lead to highest fuel prices in the nation:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

banned plastic bags will cost you 15 to 25 cents each:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

all parking fees and fines to as much as double:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/29/MNOFVSA29.DTL&hw=parking&sn=008&sc=111

making it as easy as they can for illegal immigrants:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/BA0NVUM70.DTL&hw=employee+health+care&sn=022&sc=150

there's alot more... but your probably scared enough now I'd think... 

Thanks Brock!       

[Brock Samson]

  o.k. you want another?.. 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/13/MNTO104818.DTL
  excerpts:
Sensors would be embedded in the asphalt to keep track of when a parking spot is empty.
The federal government will pick up the majority of the tab - $18 million of the $23 million budgeted - as one of a handful of demonstration projects around the country to combat congestion.
Officials also want to see whether they can generate more revenue from the city's parking assets through smarter regulations and pricing policies. Drivers, for instance, may be allowed to park for no more than an hour in a particular neighborhood commercial district during the day, when shopkeepers benefit from high turnover, but may be able to park longer at night, so they can linger at a restaurant or catch a show.
Buzz up!SFpark would micromanage city's scarce spaces
Rachel Gordon, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, April 14, 2008

  Finding a legal parking space in San Francisco can be about as easy as tracking the Olympic torch during its recent stopover in the city: not very.

But city officials hope to change that with the pending start of SFpark, a pilot project intended to dramatically change the way people park in San Francisco's commercial districts by linking technology and customer demand to better manage parking at street meters and in city-owned lots.

The demonstration project will cover 6,425 curbside spaces regulated by parking meters - about 25 percent of the city's total stock - and the 11,677 spaces in lots and garages managed by the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency.

City officials hope to start the test program in September and operate it for at least a year. The agency's governing board is expected to give the go-ahead at its meeting Tuesday.

The federal government will pick up the majority of the tab - $18 million of the $23 million budgeted - as one of a handful of demonstration projects around the country to combat congestion.

Officials hope that if they micromanage the parking supply, motorists will be less likely to drive around (and around and around) in search of a legal space.

If successful, backers say, SFpark will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and help unclog the streets.

Officials also want to see whether they can generate more revenue from the city's parking assets through smarter regulations and pricing policies.

The program does nothing to expand the parking supply. San Francisco's long-entrenched policy calls for reducing reliance on the private automobile.

As SFpark is envisioned, parking rates would be adjusted based on time of day, day of week and duration of stay. People would be able to pay not just with coins, but with credit cards, prepaid debit cards and even by cell phone. If a meter is set to expire, a text message could be sent to the driver. More time could be purchased remotely.

People also would be able to check parking availability before arriving at their destination via the Internet, handheld devices such as BlackBerrys, or cell phone. Sensors would be embedded in the asphalt to keep track of when a parking spot is empty.

The technology isn't new, but San Francisco would be the first American city to apply it on such a broad scale. That's one reason federal transportation authorities took an interest and decided to help pay for the experiment.

"The idea is to give people more choice, more convenience and to reduce congestion," said Mayor Gavin Newsom." 
           Bullshit,.. cough, cough,..

 

[RECHRGD]

  Since the rest of the states tend to follow Calif. (down the toilet)... your gonna love these new rules and regs...  :yesnod

fishing season is canceled.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/10/national/a193303D18.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=013&sc=199

no more woodburning in fireplaces:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/EDMMVU10L.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=015&sc=188

gas guzzelers to pay for fuel sippers:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/MNIMVUPFF.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=031&sc=140

Calif. Gas formulations lead to highest fuel prices in the nation:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

banned plastic bags will cost you 15 to 25 cents each:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

all parking fees and fines to as much as double:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/29/MNOFVSA29.DTL&hw=parking&sn=008&sc=111

making it as easy as they can for illegal immigrants:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/BA0NVUM70.DTL&hw=employee+health+care&sn=022&sc=150

there's alot more... but your probably scared enough now I'd think... 

Brock, you need to move as far away from SF as you can.  I think the BIG ONE is way overdue.  The city NEEDS to fall into the ocean or at least be buried under volcanic ash.  Bob



Thanks Brock!

[Charger_Fan]

Brock, you need to move as far away from SF as you can.  I think the BIG ONE is way overdue.  The city NEEDS to fall into the ocean or at least be buried under volcanic ash.  Bob

Flee while you can!

[my73charger]

  Since the rest of the states tend to follow Calif. (down the toilet)... your gonna love these new rules and regs...  :yesnod

fishing season is canceled.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/10/national/a193303D18.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=013&sc=199

no more woodburning in fireplaces:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/EDMMVU10L.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=015&sc=188

gas guzzelers to pay for fuel sippers:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/MNIMVUPFF.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=031&sc=140

Calif. Gas formulations lead to highest fuel prices in the nation:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

banned plastic bags will cost you 15 to 25 cents each:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BUQQ1025GR.DTL&hw=pollution&sn=046&sc=120

all parking fees and fines to as much as double:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/29/MNOFVSA29.DTL&hw=parking&sn=008&sc=111

making it as easy as they can for illegal immigrants:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/03/BA0NVUM70.DTL&hw=employee+health+care&sn=022&sc=150

there's alot more... but your probably scared enough now I'd think... 

Brock, you need to move as far away from SF as you can.  I think the BIG ONE is way overdue.  The city NEEDS to fall into the ocean or at least be buried under volcanic ash.  Bob



Thanks Brock!

Yep the big one is coming.  Get out while you still can..

http://www.startribune.com/science/17667209.html

[TruckDriver]

I know it applies to new cars after 2012.  I am still against it.  More expense to cars and the next thing will be yearly inspections. 

According to the mian calendar the world ends in 2013 anyway. So, it won't be in affect to long anyway

[PocketThunder]

I know it applies to new cars after 2012.  I am still against it.  More expense to cars and the next thing will be yearly inspections. 

According to the mian calendar the world ends in 2013 anyway. So, it won't be in affect to long anyway

And my average age new car is 9 years old when i get it anyways so i wont encounter this till 2021

[ITSA426]

... and we had annual emissions inspections here in the metro area.  It didn't do well and finally died a natural death.  Some ideas fail on their own merit.

[Johnny SixPack]

Brock, you should just move out here to Tejas. Hell, Liberty County still doesn't do emissions testing. For any vehicle. Period. One of two counties in Texas still in the 'old days'. 

[hutch]

I wonder how much longer state governments are going to let us keep our cars.  Lots of states are telling people what kind of light bulbs they have to use. They already tell us how much water we can use to wash a turd down the drain.  At some point people are going to start fighting back to keep some rights I would hope.

People in Government that want to cut back on emissions own a few SUVs big houses and fly all over the US.  They think we are just little people and too dumb or dont know whats good for us and our familes.  I hate them all, democrats and republicans.


When I was a kid this was a free country!

[Brock Samson]

  Pardon my rant which follows:

Our mayor Gavin Newsome,.  the hand picked successor of Willie L. brown (the boss tweed of Calif politics) has strong ties to the Getty's (yes those Getty's) in fact he was "sponsored" by them in his mayorial run...  mayors ride in limos and are exempt from all local regulations, like the Gov. Arnie, yet they ramrod through these regulations and higher fees that pay for their assistant's salaries remodeled offices and even their friends and relatives jobs...
Working 27 years for the local paper's metro desk i'm well aware of the shinanigans of the past city administrations, most of which were never reported to the public.
You can bet our mayor the Gov. or even the pres. never spent one day in line trying to contest or even pay a bogus  ticket.
believe me, ALLOT of folks have moved out of this city and even Calif. Most of my friends split in the last 20 years they have been replaced by a multitude of Asians and folks from south of the border. They seem to skirt the Regs i can give dozens of examples but I'll shut up now.
Things ain't looking good for our future, And I'm sure glad i'm not a kid comming up now....

[TruckDriver]

Brock, you should just move out here to Tejas. Hell, Liberty County still doesn't do emissions testing. For any vehicle. Period. One of two counties in Texas still in the 'old days'. 

Most of Wisconsin doesn't test emissions either. Only a few select countys. Mine isn't one of them.

[hemihead]

As long as this and following generations continue to complain then just meekly rollover for a government that does what IT wants to these laws that are unpopular will continue . We are all being repressed by the wealthy that run the government . In 1776 we built something that has now started to become our own prison . I love this country but the greedy elitists are taking over .

[Big Lebowski]

  Pardon my rant which follows:

Our mayor Gavin Newsome,. 

    Any two-some mayor Newsome... What a waste of human skin that guy is. Fly him the bird...

[Mike DC]

   
All the govt ever has to do is fabricate a threat.  They can take anything from the public that they want. 




Environmental threats work as well as anything. 

A vague scary danger that everyone understands in simple terms  .  .  . the "bad guys" are defined by the govt, and a bunch of easy-to-hate groups & corporations & habits will fit the bill  .  .  .  it never requires any concrete proof  .  .  .  the battle never has any clear signposts of progress  .  .  . 

Just shut up, give the govt whatever they want, and wait for the govt to update you about the progress.

   

[RD]

the government is just a tool, like a pipewrench, for the extremely rich to use to twist and turn policy into a conglomeration of self-interested based laws/regulations/policies for the extremely rich; to be manipulated by the rich; to serve the extremely rich; but AT ALL TIMES LABELED AS BEING EMPLACED FOR THE WORKING CLASS CITIZEN.

Not saying that all laws/policies/reg's are corrupt, but the ones that just go for the jugular and are common sensically known to make life for the average joe even harder, sure do run rampant in this here country of ours.

When are we going to transition to socialism?  According to Marx, that is the next step.  My bet, 125 years from now.

[hemihead]

the government is just a tool, like a pipewrench, for the extremely rich to use to twist and turn policy into a conglomeration of self-interested based laws/regulations/policies for the extremely rich; to be manipulated by the rich; to serve the extremely rich; but AT ALL TIMES LABELED AS BEING EMPLACED FOR THE WORKING CLASS CITIZEN.

Not saying that all laws/policies/reg's are corrupt, but the ones that just go for the jugular and are common sensically known to make life for the average joe even harder, sure do run rampant in this here country of ours.

When are we going to transition to socialism?  According to Marx, that is the next step.  My bet, 125 years from now.

I don't see Socialism here as much as I see a ruling class and a peasant class . And I think it is coming sooner than we think .

[Brock Samson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stratification

it's called "stratafication" alot less folks in the middle class, alot more in the lower and some more in the upper classes...
being a millionaire ain't what it once was... 
What else is scary is the number of folks living on credit cards... that's a house of cards and a strong wind is abrewin... 

that's what pisses me off about the modern robber barons... they get a hundred million dollor parchute and thousands of others are out on the street.



          http://www.trinity.edu/~Mkearl/strat.html