Need to borrow an Dial Indicator POS 440 more than likey need new block.

[cudaken]

 Found some local help, wrench from the local Dodge dealer. Not good news I will add. By the way, he started with Dodge when 440's came in under warranty so he knows BB.

Scott did the pry bar to the ear test and ruled out lifter's and thinks the sound is coming from the bottom. Picking up a stethescope from O Rilley's (thank's for the offer to send me one over night bad) but for $10.00 be as much to send back to bad.

Little back ground. As people that have been following this F--king mess when I got the short block from Mikes Shop 1. One of the things I saw and could feel with my thumb nail was a scrathch in number 7 hole on the driver side of the block. Never had a smooth bore hone (could not see the cross hatch) and was told the Plasme Chrome Molly Rings will take it out when ran.  Did not buy that, so had Dan (shop 2) look at it and was told the same thing. Then Rick (shop 3) look at it and said the same thing as well. Last 2 shops took it apart and checked everything and said I was good to go, not!

Scott listen to the POS is and thinks there maybe 2 possible things might be wrong.

1 Trust bearin clearnes may be bad. That is why I need to beg a Dial Indicator so we can check crank run out. At this point I would feel lucky if a crank would fix the POS.

2 Number 7 hole, remember the scratch. His train of thought is when the slug came down the scratch wore the piston and it is starting to burn. In that case, time for a new block. POS 440 is also starting to burn oil, when at idle can see smoke come out the back. Bring the idle up the smoke is gone.

POS is still quite at idle and we got her warm, man she is making racket when she at 2000 RPM's. All so sound seem's to be coming from the back of the block as well.

Scott can not go to the dealership to get his tools. Hurt his back and is on workers comp, hurt his back. That is why I need to borrow the indicator. If get tools from is box they will think he is gold bricking and working at home.

Will someone trust me with one?

                       Screwed Blue and Tattooed, Cuda Ken

[Charger4404spd]

I have one your welcome to use.

[bad1032]

Not a problem cuda. if ya should need it hollar. Good luck.

[cudaken]

 Ken Greenwell
34 Belair Court
Maryville IL 62062

That is a hollar.

Just made a offer to sell her. She is 95% won this war. Seem's she does not like me any more.

I can work off a used 440 52000 miles for 16 hours of work. But then there is punching the block and then other deatils.

Well we will see, wonder if she understands Dutch? Sure and hell doest understand english.!

Like to get the Dial Indicator by Saturday.

                                           Ken and thanks guys.

[bad1032]

cuda . I cant help ya with the dial indicator. but if somthing happens with the scope let me know and its on its way

[firefighter3931]

Ken, that's rotton luck   If the cylinder turns out to be fragged just have it sleeved and rebored....then install a fresh piston and rings in the new hole and you're back in business. The blower manifold and heads are allready setup for this block so getting a new one means all the machinework will need to be duplicated or none of that stuff will fit. The other pistons should be fine, hopefully  

I sure feel for you....this build has been fighting you all the way. Sounds like you've got a competent builder to look things over and diagnose the problem which is good news. Lets hope the damage is minimal....

Ron

[cudaken]

 Believe Ron I have been think about this all night. Custom push rod's, $150.00 out the widow, $1800.00 in the block sitting on the crub watting for trash pick up, $800 blower manafoild of to the aluminum recyler.

Ron, I am not a fan of sleeve's but never used one. Is it a good repair?

More than likely the blower project is over. Will need to sell the blower so I can fix this POS 440.

                                         Ken

[firefighter3931]

Hi Ken, yes a sleeve is fine. Lots of guys run them in race motors w/o issue. Usually costs around $100.00 per sleeve. I know a guy with 2 in his block and it's making 800hp. I wouldn't think twice about it.  

Ron

[cudaken]

 Making a road trip to D&D machine shop today, want to talk to them faces to faces. Going to stay cool, just hope I don't get any lip. At this point will not take much to set me off.

If,I save the block, will I be able to reuse the bearings and 7 of the 8 rings? Will the cam bearings need to be replaced?

Will talk with Rich at Mopar Heaven, maybe he can help me to get them do the right thing. Rich use's them and told me to use them. OH well, at least get to hear some none rattling Mopar's there.

                                Ken

[Charger4404spd]

Ken, theres no way I can get it to you by Saturday.

[firefighter3931]

Ken,

As long as the rings & bearings looked good and the clearances were right....i wouldn't have a problem re-using them. If there's only one bad hole, sleeve it, bore and hone it, new slug with fresh rings and you're good to go. Just replace what needs replacing....nothing more.

Ron

[max]

Ken,

As long as the rings & bearings looked good and the clearances were right....i wouldn't have a problem re-using them. If there's only one bad hole, sleeve it, bore and hone it, new slug with fresh rings and you're good to go. Just replace what needs replacing....nothing more.

Ron

Ron, that is a very good point and is alot more cost effective especially due to the circumstances at hand.

i know i would do the very samething.

Ken, sorry to hear you've had so much trouble with that engine. i know you have handled this alot better then what i would have.

sounds like you have the right fellow there to help you and hopefully it can be resovled quickly and cheaply as possible.

[cudaken]

 Charger4404spd, not a problem, all the bearings flew out tonight and 9 quarts of oil on the floor.

Just kidding, all the guts are still in the POS.

Will run her one last time and use the hearing thingie to see if we can find the rattel. Bob has a gauge I can used after the 440 is out this weekend. No reason to check with the block in the Charger, need's to come out if she need's a crank anyway. Will know more after the autopsy, second one this year! With luck I will be next.

                  Cuda Ken

[Chryco Psycho]

I agree , sleeves are no problem at all , the One recommendation I can make is if you cut in a sleeve do NOT bore all the way down the cylinder , leave a ridge at the bottom of the bore to lock the sleeve into place & cut off the excess above the deck

[max]

i know what i'm about to say is going to be a sore spot on the subject and i appoligize for it.

but i would find a better machine shop then the ones you used before if you need/do decide to go with a cylinder sleeve. maybe the fellow that is helping you will have a recomendation on better services in your area.

[cudaken]

 Only way I be going back to D&D is at midnight and 5 gallon's of gas. Won't be there shop, but there house. Will screw gun all the dpoors closed as well.

Have some other names of shops if the block needs any work. With luck it will just be a pin.

                               Cuda Ken

[beedees]

Believe Ron I have been think about this all night. Custom push rod's, $150.00 out the widow, $1800.00 in the block sitting on the crub watting for trash pick up, $800 blower manafoild of to the aluminum recyler.

Ron, I am not a fan of sleeve's but never used one. Is it a good repair?

More than likely the blower project is over. Will need to sell the blower so I can fix this POS 440.

                                                             Ken

IMHO, a sleeved cyl. is better than the orig.