A Solution to High gas Prices?..

[Brock Samson]

 

Teleportation and forcefields possible within decades, says Professor Michio Kaku
"Teleportation, telepathy, forcefields and invisibility are Class 1 impossibilities, meaning they are likely to be realisable within a few decades or at most a century.
Teleportation is likely to be achieved through "quantum entanglement", a property that allows connections to be formed – and information transmitted - between particles many miles apart."
     from the London Daily telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/02/eakaku102.xml
     

[Charger_Fan]

Meh, they'll still figure a way to tax us to death on that.

[bull]

Cool! I'm going to call my boss tomorrow and tell him I'm working via telepathy or invisibility the rest of the week.

[defiance]

The teleportation thing is media misinterpretation of science.  Quantum entanglement and the ensuing teleportation provides a means of exactly duplicating a particle...  Well, that's not really an accurate description either, but good enough for this discussion.  Even assuming it's reasonable to scale up to mass particles, it's more like duplication than actual relocation.  So sure, teleportion - the same sort as is profiled in the movie "The Prestige".

[superduperbee]

With our luck Teletransporter will be gasoline powered and get 3 MPG.

[bull]

With our luck Teletransporter will be gasoline powered and get 3 MPG.

And you'll have to stand in line for an hour to get to it...

[Brock Samson]

well it's interesting that at least some of the things discussed in the article may very well be possible within another few generations
if not sooner.
I still find it nothing short of amazing i can get all these cool videos for free from you-tube... 


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hm6tr-nehSs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yjzxtv7zIhU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N6d2RG2Rl64                         

[hemihead]

Someone was watching too much Star Trek growing up .

[dkn1997]

teleportation is a load of steaming crap. never gonna happen.

[Ghoste]

But then again, a hundred years ago they probably would have thought the internet, 250 mph supercars, space flight, nuclear submarines, and television were all crap too.

[694spdRT]

What seems impossible today will be tomorrows old news.

Although, we all know from working on our cars that taking something apart is easy....it's that whole putting it back together thing that takes the time.

[Ghoste]

And those one or two left over parts. 

[Old Moparz]

teleportation is a load of steaming crap. never gonna happen.

[Big Lebowski]

Someone was watching too much Star Trek growing up .

  Put down the toy phasers and walk away or Landru will have you absorbed. Peace & tranquility, for the good of the body.

[Chad L. Magee]

Being able to teleport objects is one thing, but teleporting living things will be a much bigger challenge to be done.  I would never say that it is impossible, more like improbable within the next century or so.  Scientists have made recent breakthroughs that might lead to this development occuring faster than previously expected.  A NOVA program a few years ago covered a research project that allowed for tunneling to occur through a solid material by a laser (photon) signal in such a way that it actually came out the other side a fraction of a second faster than it was emitted from the source (yes, by quantum physics theories it is potentially possible that it can occur, someing to the tune of moving faster than the speed of light if the waves are alined at the right quanta energy for this to happen).  Unfortunately, that was a photon wave and not an atom, so to pass a decent amout of mass through the barrier will take alot more research to see if it can even be done.  I have also seen a research project that allowed for a 3-D object to be scanned, the information from the scan was sent via fax to a far away location and the incoming information was used by a 3-D mold maker to build a copy of the orginal object.  Still that is not really teleporting the orginal item in the real sense.  Quander this for a moment: Fifty years ago, they predicted flying cars everywhere and everyone would have a jetpack to get to work quickly.  The jet pack has been made, but it is not commercially feezable except for the very rich, and the flying cars have only appeared in movies (James Bond "Man With The Golden Gun" is an example) or airshow stunts that I am aware of......

[Chad L. Magee]

I wanted to claify a bit on my statement on the first research project that I mentioned above:

I know that the article states that moving things faster than the speed of light is a Class II improbablity, but it is possible with photon waves due to their duality as an energy particle/wave.  The particles that most people are familiar with (molecules, atoms) are made up with neutrons, protons and electrons that all contain a distinct set of mass with electrons being quite small in comparison to the other two.  Each of these parts is made up of subatomic particles, but that could lead to an endless discussion so I will refrain from it (see link below for more info).  The problem is that they contain mass that will interfer with particles within a potential barrier, causing the tunneling to fail.  Kinda like a large person trying to pass through a crowded room without touching anyone....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle

My point is to the above ramble is that photons don't have a measureable mass, they exist as a particle wave of a specific energy or quanta.  It is like a very fast fly going above the people in the crowded room in a strait level line, so there is no chance it will hit the other people.  Thus, with no mass, it is much easier for it to undergo the tunneling phenomia that I mentioned earlier without interaction with the barrier particles.  It is still a theory on how the process works as the project is still ongoing to repeat the trial runs many, many times.....

[Brock Samson]

 Wha?.. 
I'm not that smart.
There are a few recent engineering developments i have been intriged by...

Aerogel: AKA "frozen smoke"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel
http://www.fiu.edu/expnuc/aerogel/aerogel.html

Rapid prototyping:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_prototyping
http://www.laserrepro.com/services/prototyping/
imagine faxing your spec request to a rapid prototyper at a local kinkos and picking up your compleated clone daytonas rear window trim or Z bars?..
(more to come after i research..)

[Brock Samson]

http://www.baldwintechnology.com/MTR_AHS_Jan07.pdf
remote controlled heavy lift tilt rotor...


the short version.. 
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/03/06/212449/cargo-mono-tiltrotor-is-fine-tuned.html

just for fun.. from 1934...

[The70RT]

I only drive about 6K a year......so no gas problem here really.

[Brock Samson]

i'm finding tons of great stuff looking for my fav. science developments of the past decade or so...
one such find was this..
"Rocket Science" 180 years ago... 

     a auto mobile


   a train


great blog circa 2005..  http://www.egge.net/~savory/blog_dec_05.htm


http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/search/mini+cat+for+sale
so perhaps in another 180 years... the moller skycar will look like the auto car above... 

[Chad L. Magee]

Wha?.. 
I'm not that smart.
There are a few recent engineering developments i have been intriged by...

Aerogel: AKA "frozen smoke"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel
http://www.fiu.edu/expnuc/aerogel/aerogel.html

Rapid prototyping:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_prototyping
http://www.laserrepro.com/services/prototyping/
imagine faxing your spec request to a rapid prototyper at a local kinkos and picking up your compleated clone daytonas rear window trim or Z bars?..
(more to come after i research..)

Yep, I know all about the aerogel technology, as I had a cume topic on them back in 2003 (aced that one).  In laymans terms, it is a low density porous hydrocarbon polymer (linear plastic chain) with mostly air inside.  You can make them with different gas atmospheres surrounding the monomers, then seal off the surface pores to make them have different properties.  The space shuttle program uses them in the heat resistant tiles for the outside surfaces, since heat transfer through the aerogel is very diffuse.  I have a few ideas for aerogels that have not been tried before, so that may become a future research project.....
   
  As for the laser reproducer, it is the byproduct of the faxing technology that I mentioned earlier.  The only difference is that the design is made on the screen and not scanned in.  A similar product is being sold in Sears right now that carves wood designs........

     The air carrer blimp was a novel idea at the time, but when the Hindenburg went down in flames, it took the potential application with it.  Remember, Germany was the inovator of the blimps at the time, but they had to rely on hydrogen gas (explosive around oxygen supplies) for the lifting force.  The majority of the world's supply of Helium (a non-flammible, lighter than air gas) sits underground in Kansas, a byproduct of radioactive decay of ancient minerals.  During the war, the US thought about making blimps, but went against it because they are slow and very vunerable to attacks due to their size.  The blimps can be used for a protential air carrer with biplanes, but you would have to change the coatings if you were to use a high temperature generator such as a jet nowdays.  The helicopter idea is not a bad one, but building a huge helicopter that can be defended is a problem.....

[Brock Samson]

who said anything about defending the H.L.C. it's in it's infancy now,.. but the way the newer technological advances are combined make for an interesting vehicle...

interesting websites i found search for scramjet and aurora info..
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/black_projects/aircraft.htm
&
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/aurora.html









remember kids, 30 years ago we thought cassettes and/or 8-tracks were hi tech...

this reminds me of an discussion i had a couple weeks ago where this friend was commenting on his buddy whose home is floor to ceiling dvds and C.D.s,.. I thought - how quaint,.. now you can just download from online sources, titles as needed..

[Tilar]

Here is a simple solution to the gasoline prices. Here is the scenario...

The US Government opens ANWR for drilling, with the stipulation that only the government can drill and process the oil that comes from there and it can only be used in the USA. They then start opening stations all over america to sell the gas and diesel. They will be selling all fuel $2.25 a gallon with all profits over and above expenses going toward reducing our nation debt.

You would see gasoline back down to $2.00 a gallon before the bill could reach the presidents desk.

[Brock Samson]

thanks for bringing back on topic... 
i guess what i'm getting at, is that by investing in R&D and updating the infrastructure incl. efficient batteries, solar, wind, tidal energy Capture etc. and combining these technological advancments we may actually live to see a quantum leap in enery efficency.
ya know what they say about the mother of invention.  "It's a bitch".   

[Chad L. Magee]

i guess what i'm getting at, is that by investing in R&D and updating the infrastructure incl. efficient batteries, solar, wind, tidal energy Capture etc. and combining these technological advancments we may actually live to see a quantum leap in enery efficency.

Hey, I am all for that.  That might lead to some funding for my future research projects (show me the $  )...........

[Ghoste]

this reminds me of an discussion i had a couple weeks ago where this friend was commenting on his buddy whose home is floor to ceiling dvds and C.D.s,.. I thought - how quaint,.. now you can just download from online sources, titles as needed..

Quaint like say, collecting antique cars which get poorer fuel mileage, have poorer braking and handling, poorer safety and emission controls, higher maintenance costs, slower acceleration, lesser overall driving comfort and higher costs of ownership than their modern equivalents?  That kind of quaint?   

[Brock Samson]

  I'm feeling Amish over here,.. Damn You!

[Chad L. Magee]

this reminds me of an discussion i had a couple weeks ago where this friend was commenting on his buddy whose home is floor to ceiling dvds and C.D.s,.. I thought - how quaint,.. now you can just download from online sources, titles as needed..

Quaint like say, collecting antique cars which get poorer fuel mileage, have poorer braking and handling, poorer safety and emission controls, higher maintenance costs, slower acceleration, lesser overall driving comfort and higher costs of ownership than their modern equivalents?  That kind of quaint?   

Ahh, but those antique cars have character that the newer cars only wish they had.  Too many of the newer cars look like each other, example: viper/vette, etc..........

[Ghoste]

Kind of my point about collecting cd's versus downloading. 

[hemihead]

this reminds me of an discussion i had a couple weeks ago where this friend was commenting on his buddy whose home is floor to ceiling dvds and C.D.s,.. I thought - how quaint,.. now you can just download from online sources, titles as needed..

Quaint like say, collecting antique cars which get poorer fuel mileage, have poorer braking and handling, poorer safety and emission controls, higher maintenance costs, slower acceleration, lesser overall driving comfort and higher costs of ownership than their modern equivalents?  That kind of quaint?   

I don't care about safety or emissions . Maintence Costs ? I can fix a Classic in my garage cheaper than the Dealer can , so not that . I don't care about comfort either , I'm blue collar . Slower acceleration ? Than a Toyota ? Get real .

[RD]

i believe that teleportation is plausible if we are only to take into consideration the physics and science surrounding dimensions:

object A at point A:    O --------------------------------------------------->  O  object A at point B.

suppose you did not move the object in a linear motion through this dimension, but rather open a dimensional portal, remove object A from point A, close the portal and open another portal at point B and replace object A at point B.  You have essentially moved an object from one place to another without breaking it down into its basic molecular structure and then having to worry about reintegrating it at the other end.  This concept would eliminate the need and worry regarding the complex nature and buildup of organic objects.

multiple dimensions is still theorized, but it is a very common theory accepted by many as existing.  it is just a point of attempting to cross the barrier between the dimensions and securing travel safely.

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/01740/string_2.html

of course, my belief in this is based upon the unknown properties of gravity and electromagnetism and how they, at great levels, affect the other dimensions to a point of skewing their properties so as to manipulate them in a way that can be usable through known (unknown) science

[Ghoste]

this reminds me of an discussion i had a couple weeks ago where this friend was commenting on his buddy whose home is floor to ceiling dvds and C.D.s,.. I thought - how quaint,.. now you can just download from online sources, titles as needed..

Quaint like say, collecting antique cars which get poorer fuel mileage, have poorer braking and handling, poorer safety and emission controls, higher maintenance costs, slower acceleration, lesser overall driving comfort and higher costs of ownership than their modern equivalents?  That kind of quaint?   

I don't care about safety or emissions . Maintence Costs ? I can fix a Classic in my garage cheaper than the Dealer can , so not that . I don't care about comfort either , I'm blue collar . Slower acceleration ? Than a Toyota ? Get real .

Hemihead, you're missing my point.  I was tweaking Brocks nose for thinking it was quaint to buy cd's instead of the more modern version of just downloading songs.  It was more just me teasing Brock than anything else and my entire point was that sometimes modern convenience isn't the whole picture.
And I wasn't thinking 'yotas, I was thinking 68 Charger versus 08 Charger. 

[Chad L. Magee]

i believe that teleportation is plausible if we are only to take into consideration the physics and science surrounding dimensions:

object A at point A:    O --------------------------------------------------->  O  object A at point B.

suppose you did not move the object in a linear motion through this dimension, but rather open a dimensional portal, remove object A from point A, close the portal and open another portal at point B and replace object A at point B.  You have essentially moved an object from one place to another without breaking it down into its basic molecular structure and then having to worry about reintegrating it at the other end.  This concept would eliminate the need and worry regarding the complex nature and buildup of organic objects.

multiple dimensions is still theorized, but it is a very common theory accepted by many as existing.  it is just a point of attempting to cross the barrier between the dimensions and securing travel safely.

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/01740/string_2.html

of course, my belief in this is based upon the unknown properties of gravity and electromagnetism and how they, at great levels, affect the other dimensions to a point of skewing their properties so as to manipulate them in a way that can be usable through known (unknown) science

Ahh, string theory:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

There is problems with the dimensional portholes, since if they can be produced, how would you control the path end?  If you could do that, then it still can be a problem, as some people would use it for time travel, since one of the dimentions that is involved would be time.  If the not, it would be a gamble on which dimension that you cut into and out of, leading to many possible roads to an endless amount of places (and times).  Literally, you could find yourself trapped in other routes (much like the movie "Groundhog Day", being trapped in time and place though a loop. 

Now this type of route teleportation that you mention is plauseable, but highly unlikely to be utilized within the next century in my opinion.  Black holes have a tie in with this theory as items become teleported into a different area of space and time to become part of a pulsar (although they are no longer in the same matter form).  There is a research project that is ongoing to create a small black hole here on earth using a cyclotron (particle accelerator).  If they are successful (doubtful), then a corresponding pulsar should be formed from the mass/energy absorbed.  Where it will form is anyones guess....... 

[Brock Samson]

FYI:

my intrest in articulated wings and related research led me to these videos on you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCcJD1RSeI f   = Flexible wings

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ovz9ybJHWIw&feature=user    = Ditto

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XFHbjpc_dJ4  = scram jet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvEc7vvBe8  = XB-70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndQzMtjIp0A      ditto+10 min. interview and tour.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmgFOvpYM8   = ufo ?..