Awesome Nasa Pictures

[JMF]

[Brock Samson]

yeah, those are awesome absolutely, any idea of what coastline that is in the second pic?.. that's not the east coast is it?.. 

[PocketThunder]

yeah, those are awesome absolutely, any idea of what coastline that is in the second pic?.. that's not the east coast is it?.. 

Australia?  or New Zealand?

[71bigblock]

Someone posted a link once on another forum that I saw these.  I would love to see the full prints framed, they are spectacular photos. 

[PocketThunder]

The lower right coastline on the land mass to the left is ChristChurch, New Zealand.  Its slow at work today so i had two other guys working on it 

[TruckDriver]

Those are cool.

[Mike DC]

The clarity of zero-atmosphere is amazing.  The detail on stuff that's 20 yards away from the camera looks almost as crisp as the stuff in the foreground. 

[Khyron]

Those are fake, it was done in hollywood in a back lot. 

[2Gunz]

Those are fake, it was done in hollywood in a back lot. 

Nah we actually have the ability to land on the moon for real now.   

[PocketThunder]

Those are fake, it was done in hollywood in a back lot. 

Nah we actually have the ability to land on the moon for real now.   

now?  not then?   

[2Gunz]

Im one of the "crazies" that tends to believe it didnt happen.

[Mike DC]

 
I've read that you can actually see stuff we left up there using civilian telescopes.



Besides, if the moon landing was faked, don't you think the Soviets would have called our BS immediately in 1969? 


Space travel in 1969 was not like the current situation (where it seems like mostly a money-wasting venture to inspire gradeschool kids). 

Back then, all the powerful old men in the dark smoky rooms actually wanted  us to get to the moon.  We thought it was a military imperative, and it was a national pride thing to beat the Russians just on principle.  We didn't have the hindsight to realize that the moon shot was militarily & empirically useless.  We thought we might be racing the Soviets to get the first nuclear missle silo up there by the early '70s.

 

[2Gunz]

The list of things that is fishy is huge.

But a few things that stick out in my head are......


Apperently the original footage and pictures of this event are missing.

Seems like you would keep track of the items related to the biggest event in recent history.



No direct feed was given to the news networks at the time.
They where only allowed to film a projection that was "live".

Once again huge event.... but yet no high quality feed?


The USA and Russia where in the middle of the cold war. And they where trying VERY hard to
one up the other guy.

Now if it where me, I would have put something up there that would strike fear in the heart of the enemy.

Like some huge flares that could be seen from the earth. Nothing says we kill you like raining fire death from the moon.

What did we do?

Jumped around and took pictures. Just doesnt make sense.

[Mike DC]

 
The simple fact is that the Soviets would have liked nothing better than to internationally humiliate us.  Catching us faking that landing would have been even more of a beautiful revenge than beating us to the moon. 

All they had to do would be to look up at the moon with telescopes and notice that there was not a Saturn V rocket on its way, and we're busted.  And the rest of the world has plenty of nations with telescopes & scientists to look for themselves.   Were they ALL in on the scam? 


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I also think part of the photos (and maybe video footage too?) that we've seen of the moon & astronauts were indeed faked.  It's not hard to imagine that NASA presented us with cleaned-up versions of some of the events, and crystal-clear shots of astronauts on the moon would be a textbook thing to wanna fake for publicity purposes. 

(I mean, just look at movie cover/poster artwork here on earth:  Half the time the movie freeze-frame that's on the cover of the DVD was actually a mocked-up shot that they did with a still camera, nearly matching the shot in the movie but looking a little better.)



I know there's even a quote somewhere of a NASA astronaut being asked about this stuff many years later.  He said something like, "Well yeah, maybe NASA mocked up a few pics on a soundstage to get media-perfect shots.  I dunno."

[2Gunz]

After googing for a bit, I came up with that even today you cant see the moons surface in any great detail.

From the ground anyway.

So it would be impossible for anybody on the ground to even have a chance at looking.

And even if you could have.....

You could only see just over a 1/4 of the moon at a time from earth.

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As far as "cleaning up the photos". Why?

That would just open up speculation about them.

Seems to me you wouldnt dream of it just because of that.


Reportedly 16000 pictures where taken. Where are they?




I also stumbled on something interesting that I have never seen on the hoax sites.

The moons surface ranges in temperature from somewhere around +220 fahrenheit in the day
and down to -200 at night.

So thats a 420 degree spread.

So the temperature changes 17.5 Degrees every hour.

So assuming they landed exactly the right time when it  was say 70 out.

They would have about 2 hours before it was 105 Degrees or 35 Degrees out.

Both temperatures I think would be about the limits for keeping a human alive in a space suit.


So 2 hours to land the thing. Take pictures, set up a video feed, screw around, take samples
of the moon, put in a flag and then leave again.

And all of this somehow in a space suit.

[Charger_Fan]

Those are some cool pics.

No direct feed was given to the news networks at the time.
They where only allowed to film a projection that was "live".

Once again huge event.... but yet no high quality feed?

Dude...high quality feed? The ability to broadcast video signals from space was in it's infancy at the time, we were lucky to get a signal at all, let alone a quality signal. Hell, the televised broadcasts from a few hundred miles away here on earth were usually pretty snowy & half garbled.

I am quite sure we landed some guys on the moon...now whether or not there were some doctored up pictures released at the time, that's a possibility. Some of the original shots may have shown stuff that was later deemed confidential (from a cold war standpoint), so there may have been some doctoring of pics done. Honestly, does it really matter 40+ years later?
We landed on the moon, plain & simple.

I also stumbled on something interesting that I have never seen on the hoax sites.

The moons surface ranges in temperature from somewhere around +220 fahrenheit in the day
and down to -200 at night.

So thats a 420 degree spread.

So the temperature changes 17.5 Degrees every hour.

So assuming they landed exactly the right time when it  was say 70 out.

They would have about 2 hours before it was 105 Degrees or 35 Degrees out.

Both temperatures I think would be about the limits for keeping a human alive in a space suit.


So 2 hours to land the thing. Take pictures, set up a video feed, screw around, take samples
of the moon, put in a flag and then leave again.

And all of this somehow in a space suit.

You're killing me here.
How much of a temperature swing would you say is happening in the pics posted above? Would you say that just because they're orbiting close to earth, that it's probably a balmy 70º right there at all times? There's NO atmosphere where those pics are taken...that means there's HUGE temperature swings where those guys are.
Just because the moon is further away from the sun than earth is, does not mean the moon is exceedingly colder/hotter than it is in the spot those pics were taken. In the relative size of space, the moon in only a tiny bit further away from the sun.
Yes, the space suits are insulated & designed to keep the person inside at a moderate, life sustaining temperature. Think about it.

[MSRacing89]

You're killing me here.
How much of a temperature swing would you say is happening in the pics posted above? Would you say that just because they're orbiting close to earth, that it's probably a balmy 70º right there at all times? There's NO atmosphere where those pics are taken...that means there's HUGE temperature swings where those guys are.
Just because the moon is further away from the sun than earth is, does not mean the moon is exceedingly colder/hotter than it is in the spot those pics were taken. In the relative size of space, the moon in only a tiny bit further away from the sun.
Yes, the space suits are insulated & designed to keep the person inside at a moderate, life sustaining temperature. Think about it.

I will have to disagree with you on your temperature theory.  The temperature at the earths equator is drastically different (warmer) than those of the upper and lower regions of the north and south hemisphere's.  That is simply due to the axis of the earth, atmosphere, and the shape.  You knock 300,000 miles off and 200º+ temp's are very likely on the surface of the moon.  The landing didn't happen.

[Mike DC]

Well, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. 



I don't see how the temperature change alone completely rules it out though.  Hell, just look at the variations & stresses of all kinds being put on any high-altitude aircraft as it is.  If we can't build something to survive a 400-degree termperature shift, then we're not even flying very high & fast into the atmosphere yet. 

Even if men didn't really walk on the moon, then at the very least I think NASA must have shot some men near the moon & landed something on the surface & got some rocks back.  There has just been too much knowledge learned (not to mention advancements in science & materials) based on those missions.

[Charger_Fan]

You're killing me here.
How much of a temperature swing would you say is happening in the pics posted above? Would you say that just because they're orbiting close to earth, that it's probably a balmy 70º right there at all times? There's NO atmosphere where those pics are taken...that means there's HUGE temperature swings where those guys are.
Just because the moon is further away from the sun than earth is, does not mean the moon is exceedingly colder/hotter than it is in the spot those pics were taken. In the relative size of space, the moon in only a tiny bit further away from the sun.
Yes, the space suits are insulated & designed to keep the person inside at a moderate, life sustaining temperature. Think about it.

I will have to disagree with you on your temperature theory.  The temperature at the earths equator is drastically different (warmer) than those of the upper and lower regions of the north and south hemisphere's.  That is simply due to the axis of the earth, atmosphere, and the shape.  You knock 300,000 miles off and 200º+ temp's are very likely on the surface of the moon.  The landing didn't happen.

Ok now, granted it's been about a hundred years since I had this class in school, so I suppose I could be wrong here...wouldn't be the first time. The earth's atmosphere is an insulator, it regulates the temperature of the surface at a life sustaining range for most life on earth. Yes, it's warmer at the equator & colder at the poles, but not to the degree that it is in space.  I don't have time here at work to dig up the hard facts, but I'd be willing to bet that the temperature on the sunny side of the shuttle is probably 200º degrees different (possibly a lot more, I don't know) than it is on the shady side of the shuttle.
I'm simply stating that the space suit is designed to insulate the person inside from the drastic temperature changes outside, allowing the person to stay outside for as long as the suit's oxygen holds out, regardless of the outside temperature.

I believe the moon landing did happen & as Mike said, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

[2Gunz]

Those are some cool pics.

No direct feed was given to the news networks at the time.
They where only allowed to film a projection that was "live".

Once again huge event.... but yet no high quality feed?

Dude...high quality feed? The ability to broadcast video signals from space was in it's infancy at the time, we were lucky to get a signal at all, let alone a quality signal. Hell, the televised broadcasts from a few hundred miles away here on earth were usually pretty snowy & half garbled.

I am quite sure we landed some guys on the moon...now whether or not there were some doctored up pictures released at the time, that's a possibility. Some of the original shots may have shown stuff that was later deemed confidential (from a cold war standpoint), so there may have been some doctoring of pics done. Honestly, does it really matter 40+ years later?
We landed on the moon, plain & simple.

I also stumbled on something interesting that I have never seen on the hoax sites.

The moons surface ranges in temperature from somewhere around +220 fahrenheit in the day
and down to -200 at night.

So thats a 420 degree spread.

So the temperature changes 17.5 Degrees every hour.

So assuming they landed exactly the right time when it  was say 70 out.

They would have about 2 hours before it was 105 Degrees or 35 Degrees out.

Both temperatures I think would be about the limits for keeping a human alive in a space suit.


So 2 hours to land the thing. Take pictures, set up a video feed, screw around, take samples
of the moon, put in a flag and then leave again.

And all of this somehow in a space suit.

You're killing me here.
How much of a temperature swing would you say is happening in the pics posted above? Would you say that just because they're orbiting close to earth, that it's probably a balmy 70º right there at all times? There's NO atmosphere where those pics are taken...that means there's HUGE temperature swings where those guys are.
Just because the moon is further away from the sun than earth is, does not mean the moon is exceedingly colder/hotter than it is in the spot those pics were taken. In the relative size of space, the moon in only a tiny bit further away from the sun.
Yes, the space suits are insulated & designed to keep the person inside at a moderate, life sustaining temperature. Think about it.

I didnt say that it was 70 degrees at all times.

I was pointing out that even if they picked the perfect time it wouldnt be long before it was very hot or cold.

Im sure in the era they where able to make suits that could protect fairly well.

But huge temperature swings it seems it would be pretty hard to compensate for.

We didnt even have electronic calculators or watches untill the early seventies.

It just seems far fetched is all.

[2Gunz]

As far as the high quality video feed......


Giving the networks a feed then and now is the norm.

Making them video a tv or projector is the abnormal.

[PocketThunder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJcF5jCZG5I   

[Khyron]

ummm, guys.... i was joking 

[Big Lebowski]

There really is no night time on the Moon. If you want to see that, (you never will) then check out the dark side of the Moon which the Earth never sees. The Earth's monthly waining & waxing causes the dark shadowed areas to be -160* & 200* in the lighted areas.  If you really doubt the Moon landings, then read Dark Moon...Apollo & the Whistle-Blowers by Mary Bennett & David Percy. This book raises questions about the radiation effects on cameras & people, etc. The books rips all the Moon landing pictures one by one with claims of fake lighting, different shadows, doctored photos, etc. Also, the book claims Apollo 13 would have landed in the dark if it hadn't blown up.
     I think they really went to the Moon simply because too many people were involved, too many witnesses to a conspiracy. They would have had to kill everyone...Capricorn 1 style.

[2Gunz]

There actually is quite alot of stuff on the theory that they did kill a bunch of people off.

Which I think takes it to far.

And I agree what possibly to many people where involved to fake it.

But then again how many people would have to know?

The pilots for obvious reasons.

You set up the "test" and practice site in a building that just happens to take good pictures.

And a lone photographer and 2 actors and a couple hands take the shots.

And for what thats worth you dont even have to tell them what its for.

So you could prolly keep it down to 10 or 20 people.

Give them the ole Pride, honor and protecting the american way speech.

And how they could save the world from nuclear war buy taking this to their grave.

Tell them that it was in their familys best interest that they didnt talk.

And give em a nice bonus for every year they where quite.

Fear, money,pride and "doing the right thing" have heavy binds on us.


And really even if they talked who would believe them?


I think it didnt happen.

But even I would die with a secret like this if I though it served a much higher purpose.

[Mike DC]

   
I remember the morning of September 11th, watching it all on the news.  It was surreal.  Something so obviously historic happening right in front of my eyes.  It made me think of JFK's assassination, the moon landing, etc.


As one of the towers fell, I remember having the distinct thought: 

Within my lifetime, sombody will probably be publishing a conspiracy book claiming that this whole event never really happened.

[Charger_Fan]

As one of the towers fell, I remember having the distinct thought: 

Within my lifetime, sombody will probably be publishing a conspiracy book claiming that this whole event never really happened.

I didn't have that thought right then, but it did cross my mind a month or so later. It's pretty stupid that some people go to such lengths to try & prove that there's a conspiracy behind everything that happens. Instead, they should focus all that energy into fine tuning future teleportation and force field technology.

The JFK assassination, of course there was a conspiracy, probably multiple ones...but 911 & the moon landings? Gimme a break. I bet there's conspiracy theories behind the California quakes of the last decade, too & other such disasters.

[Brock Samson]

I used to get all the conspiracy theorists at my old job on the city desk, there are a lot here locally, (C.T.s) and i kept a file of the best mail and fax submissions, some folks were very much into trying to document their suspicions, and they were the best and most interesting. The phone calls were just strange and often came from the mental wards in detention facilities...
but the folks who were trying to alert the "media" to perceived "facts" were actually quite interesting and sometimes compelling even if somewhat less then plausible,..
There was one guy who would have his wife stand in a tub and then cut her with razors and send in the photos taken at some unspecified
hotel, trying desperately to draw attention to the fraud that ruined his life, the short story was that while he was having a home built all his possessions were stolen from storage which ruined their lives, then lawyers riped off his remaining funds and they lost everything and were reduced to living out of their van. That's just one story, there were many many more like that...
There was also a guy hiding in Puerto Rico from the NYC mob. He who tried to intrest anyone in his tale of corruption Re: the NYC school contracts...
There are no shortage lots of swindles, fraud and corruption driving everyday people to extraordinary efforts to find vindication which are  quite different from the 51/50s. aka kooks and crackpots.
- then there are all the UFO, Modtop and Big Foot "enthusiasts". 

[PocketThunder]

I used to get all the conspiracy theorists at my old job on the city desk, there are a lot here locally, (C.T.s) and i kept a file of the best mail and fax submissions, some folks were very much into trying to document their suspicions, and they were the best and most interesting. The phone calls were just strange and often came from the mental wards in detention facilities...
but the folks who were trying to alert the "media" to perceived "facts" were actually quite interesting and sometimes compelling even if somewhat less then plausible,..
There was one guy who would have his wife stand in a tub and then cut her with razors and send in the photos taken at some unspecified
hotel, trying desperately to draw attention to the fraud that ruined his life, the short story was that while he was having a home built all his possessions were stolen from storage which ruined their lives, then lawyers riped off his remaining funds and they lost everything and were reduced to living out of their van. That's just one story, there were many many more like that...
There was also a guy hiding in Puerto Rico from the NYC mob. He who tried to intrest anyone in his tale of corruption Re: the NYC school contracts...
There are no shortage lots of swindles, fraud and corruption driving everyday people to extraordinary efforts to find vindication which are  quite different from the 51/50s. aka kooks and crackpots.
- then there are all the UFO, Modtop and Big Foot "enthusiasts". 

You had me up untill Big Foot..  or were you talking about this big foot enthusiast?

[Charger_Fan]

Wait a minute...where did that pic come from, Strat? If that's a 'chop, that's the best one I've seen yet!!

[Brock Samson]

i belive i had posted the link to the bigfoot and the life on Mars sites years ago... 
..didn't get the memo?..   

[Brock Samson]

There actually is quite alot of stuff on the theory that they did kill a bunch of people off.

Which I think takes it to far.

And I agree what possibly to many people where involved to fake it.

But then again how many people would have to know?

The pilots for obvious reasons.

You set up the "test" and practice site in a building that just happens to take good pictures.

And a lone photographer and 2 actors and a couple hands take the shots.

And for what thats worth you dont even have to tell them what its for.

So you could prolly keep it down to 10 or 20 people.

Give them the ole Pride, honor and protecting the american way speech.

And how they could save the world from nuclear war buy taking this to their grave.

Tell them that it was in their familys best interest that they didnt talk.

And give em a nice bonus for every year they where quite.

Fear, money,pride and "doing the right thing" have heavy binds on us.


And really even if they talked who would believe them?


I think it didnt happen.

But even I would die with a secret like this if I though it served a much higher purpose.

[2Gunz]

I knew you would think I was crazy.

But its cool.

And no I dont believe in bigfoot!

[Brock Samson]

  kids today take it for granted... with big screen color T.V.s and Satt. provided 400 chanels but...
I was there,.. when i was seven, the space race was in full swing and John Glen replaced Willie Mays as my Hero...

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