vanishing point 1997

[gordo1968charger]

does anyone have a soundtrack listing??

[Ghoste]

If no one does, I'll force myself to watch it again and take notes for you.

[Drache]

I havent even found a soundtrack listed for the 1997 version, only the original. It WILL list all the songs played in the movie at the end of the credits....

[Ghoste]

Nope, just ran the dvd through to the credits and it does NOT list the songs on that one.  I can watch the movie and give you any songs on there that I know but if the score is original then I'm out of luck.  Ted Stephens might know, he seems to be the worlds expert on that film.

[jayco91]

Still way better than that the" aah im on speed and auh okaY" 70 version. By the way no soundtrack that I know of.

[gordo1968charger]

it was the track that was playing on the radio when the cop rolled his black 68 out the garage
BTW i thought the 1997 one was ok

[Ghoste]

I've listened to the song and sorry, I have no idea what it is or even who the woman is singing it.  The remake is ok but they should have had a different person for the DJ and cleaned up the automotive bloopers.

[Dave22443]

The remake is ok but they should have had a different person for the DJ and cleaned up the automotive bloopers.

You mean like destroying the Charger 

BTW, I know in the original, they crashed a 68 Camaro into the bulldozers.  What did they use for the '97 remake?  I only saw it once long ago.

I'm guessing it wasn't this one 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpU1RB-WXgc

[pettyfan43]

The remake is ok but they should have had a different person for the DJ and cleaned up the automotive bloopers.

You mean like destroying the Charger 

BTW, I know in the original, they crashed a 68 Camaro into the bulldozers.  What did they use for the '97 remake?  I only saw it once long ago.

I'm guessing it wasn't this one 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpU1RB-WXgc

The charger that was crashed in the 97 version was TOAST!  It was bondo city and literally ANY piece that was good was TAKEN off!

Charlie Carner, who wrote the remake is  MOPAR GUY. He has a 70 Challenger R/T 383 4 Speed that was used to teach Viggo Mortensen WHO to drive a Pistol-Grip equipped Mopar.  He also kept the Nice Charger that was used in the rest of the scenes. And that car is VERY VERY nice!  The crash car wasn't suitable for anything else.

The car that hit the bulldozers was a clapped out 74 that had been used for bits and pieces for the star cars.

no good cars were harmed in the making of this movie! (Cept maybe that car that jumped out of that tunnel!!!!!!!)

[hemihead]

I prefer the 97 version to the lame 60's Hippy version. At least the 97 movie had dialogue and a storyline that made sense . 

[chargerkid01]

I thought a chellenger was in the original movie not a camero or did they use a camero for the bulldoxer crash?? I'll have to rent the boring movie again. I've never seem the 97 version!

[Dave22443]

Chargerkid,

A 1970 Challenger was used in both flicks.  But in the original version, when it came time to actually crash the car into the bulldozers, they substituted a '68 Camaro instead.  Camera angles and creative cuts hide this pretty well, but if you freeze frame review it, you can tell its a Camaro.

And just as an aside, I think the original crash was much more spectacular than the remakes crash.  The remake crash looks like it might have been going 30 or 40 mph, but the original was obviously going much faster with the rear of the car ending up pointing skyward.  That was intense 

Remake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42x4Lj_9qpk&feature=related
Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu_3ggVGC84&feature=related

[rusty lee]

I just heard about the remake is it worth watching. The original was very 70's licious     guess I'll hit blockbuster and see.

[Lowprofile]

Chargerkid,

A 1970 Challenger was used in both flicks.  But in the original version, when it came time to actually crash the car into the bulldozers, they substituted a '68 Camaro instead.  Camera angles and creative cuts hide this pretty well, but if you freeze frame review it, you can tell its a Camaro.

And just as an aside, I think the original crash was much more spectacular than the remakes crash.  The remake crash looks like it might have been going 30 or 40 mph, but the original was obviously going much faster with the rear of the car ending up pointing skyward.  That was intense 

Remake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42x4Lj_9qpk&feature=related
Original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu_3ggVGC84&feature=related

Pictures are worth a thousand words. 

[Dave22443]

Those are some great screen shots LP 

Two things I notice right away.
1) The car was already starting to explode, even before it hit the dozers.
2) The Camaro, despite only being a few years old, was already showing signs of rust in the lower side of the passenger door   

[bordin34]

AudioSlave made a good Vanishing Point song and the music video is also really good and pretty much sums up the movie.

[gordo1968charger]

still no clues to the soundtrack listing though,barry newmans sideburns were fantastic in the original,far better than viggos!
i wonder if tarantino will remake dirty mary crazy larry.i know he is a fan cos it showed bridgit fonda watching it in jackie brown and also links in deathproof.

[C_stripes]

AudioSlave made a good Vanishing Point song and the music video is also really good and pretty much sums up the movie.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MfMtivHV47A

[Mike DC]

2) The Camaro, despite only being a few years old, was already showing signs of rust in the lower side of the passenger door   lol

.  .  .  and not only is it a 4-year-old Camaro, we're also talking about a 4-year-old Camaro that probably lived its whole life in the southwestern/desert states! 

[Montclaire]

I know I'm digging up the dead here but I finally found one of the tracks from the 1997 film. Look up John Doe Thing -Fallen Tears on YouTube. This is called out right in the movie but wasn't online several years ago when I looked. Has anyone identified the other tracks? Thanks and enjoy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ad8Bhkj_vO0

[Kern Dog]

A few facts, a few opinions:
* The stunt car used in the 1971 movie was a 1967 Camaro. No, not a '68 and not a Camero. How people screw up the names of cars when the emblems are clearly visible is a mystery to me.
* The 1971 version was  a product if it's time. A lot of movies back then didn't explain themselves. It was left to interpretation because back then, people thought for themselves instead of looking to facebook or the media to tell them what to think.
* The 1997 move featured Jason Priestley because the movie was a remake by FOX, the same company that owned the rights to the original. JP was the lead star in a FOX TV series, Beverly Hills 90210 and JP is actually a car guy. Why they chose Viggo to play Kowalski is unknown to me. He mumbles and is too soft spoken. You need close captioning to follow his dialogue.
* I thought the addition of the '71 Road Runner and '68 Charger to VP '97 were great.

[Montclaire]

Not getting political but the "Voice" bits seem a lot more relevant than they did when I first watched this film in 1997.

[Kern Dog]

Yes....
I agree with the sentiments but coming from Jason Priestley ?? Really ??   

[Ghoste]

Greatt cars, bad casting.

[tan top]

I know I'm digging up the dead here but I finally found one of the tracks from the 1997 film. Look up John Doe Thing -Fallen Tears on YouTube. This is called out right in the movie but wasn't online several years ago when I looked. Has anyone identified the other tracks? Thanks and enjoy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ad8Bhkj_vO0

its weird how hearing a song / music from a film that you have forgotten about  , can transport you back to the film with in just a couple of seconds !  not seen  the remake of vanishing point for years ,  was it really 97  it was made ! time flies   ,

[tcs69rt]

I believe it was Cleavon Little who played the original DJ...he was also Sheriff Bart in Blazing Saddles  The cars from the remake were on display at the Mopar National in Las Vegas 1997, I have video somewhere of them. 

[Ghoste]

You are correct.

[Bad B-rad]

OK been years last I saw any of them(the original,USA version, the original European version, or the 1997 one) I like them all.

The European version of the original movie has an extra scene, when Kowalski hides out in cave, and a very different ending.
This version of the film clears up some of the "makes no sense" of the USA.

SPOLIER : In European version Kowalski's dead wife appears to him beyond the small crack in the two dozer blades, and he kind of drives right threw the small space to her, and they keep on driving.
It is sort of like the ending of the 1997 version.

[b5blue]

Ya know as a 16 year old sitting in the theater watching the original and seeing what I knew was a Chevy hit the bulldozer....I'd never guess it would be talked about in 2020. What about Aloha Bobby and Rose, anyone remember that one?

[Mike DC]

  
AFAIK there's no wife beyond the bulldozers in any cut of the 1971 movie.  That happened in the remake.  

Some of the video disc copies of the 1971 movie do include a 'European' version with the hitchhiking woman scenes.    

[Kern Dog]

Yeah, I don't recall anything in the Barry Newman version like that. The hitchhiker was "Death" in the extended Euro version and te ending was exactly the same as the USA version. I like the idea of the vision of the Wife in between the dozer blades though.

[Bad B-rad]

The dvd copy I have has the director commentary on it, now perhaps my memory is a tad off, but there is a woman waiting beyond the dozer blades for him, same woman in the car with him in the Dream sequence.And if I recall hit is his dead wife/lover/girlfriend.
I will now have to rewatch,lol

The thing about the hitchhiker being his ex dead lover is said on the director commentary, it isn't said in the film. I believe, but I could very well be wrong.

I just remember once I saw the European version the film made a bit more sense.
   

[Bad B-rad]

Ya know as a 16 year old sitting in the theater watching the original and seeing what I knew was a Chevy hit the bulldozer....I'd never guess it would be talked about in 2020. What about Aloha Bobby and Rose, anyone remember that one?

Not only are we talking about it, we are now breaking it down like  Shakespeare, LOL

I recall someone saying the nude biker girl is life, and he turns down her offer of smoking grass,saying I will only stay for a while, while the woman I called his girl, is death and he embraces her fully, even smokes pot with her.

[Bossman963]

FYI as I owned the Challenger that Charlie had, I also have all the movie sheets, wardrobe casting, etc, also have the tapes/cd that Charlie gave me along with photos if Viggo @ Marina Del Ray old airport track where Viggo learned to drive a 4 speed

[Bad B-rad]

Very cool Bossman963
Maybe we will see another remake, this time Kowalski is a woman, driving a new  Challenger/Demon.

[Kern Dog]

No...just no.
E N O U G H of the remakes that fuck up a classic. Remakes often screw it up by making the movie too different. The female cast of the remakes of Ghostbusters, Oceans 8 and some other forgettable movie were absolute crap. Make an original movie with women ....don't piggyback off of a movie that featured traditional male actors.

[Mike DC]

     
I'm a little surprised that they've never tried to remake 'Smokey & the Bandit' in a big-screen big-budget way. 

I guess it's too hard to imagine somebody else in Burt's place. 

[Kern Dog]

It seems to me that with GPS and other tracking abilities, cross country car chase movie plots would be hard to believe nowadays. You'd have to make the movie take place years ago to make it plausible.

[Bad B-rad]

Movies don't have to be plausible.
Look at any of the Fast & Furious movies, those are not very plausible, lol!!!     

(or more my style the jumps on the Duke boys TV show)

But you are right about remakes, even Bill Murray, couldn't save the Ghostbusters one.

[Mike DC]

 
A 'Bandit' remake . . . I'm sure they could write a way around the GPS problem.  Although police helicopters would be harder to excuse.  

They might just set the movie in the 1970s again.  Or even in 1990s - that is the new 'retro' decade for young pop culture now (do you feel old yet?).



I get the feeling the original Ghostbusters cast were pressured into endorsing that 2016 remake (and they were paid too, no doubt).  Their supporting comments seemed kinda forced & unnatural.

It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.  Pissing off a major studio can give you problems in that town.  Losing out on future work, contract negotiations, etc.    
   

[Kern Dog]

I do wonder how often that the people in the movie industry actually think that decades later, people will scrutinize every single scene of a movie that they did.

[Mike DC]

 

I do wonder how often that the people in the movie industry actually think that decades later, people will scrutinize every single scene of a movie that they did.

Most of the people working on the first 'Star Wars' movie thought it was crap at the time.  Even most of the actors.  They were shocked at how good the final result was and how much impact it had.    

[Montclaire]

FYI as I owned the Challenger that Charlie had, I also have all the movie sheets, wardrobe casting, etc, also have the tapes/cd that Charlie gave me along with photos if Viggo @ Marina Del Ray old airport track where Viggo learned to drive a 4 speed

Cd? As in audio soundtrack?

[Montclaire]

I just learned something new about this film after almost 25 years.  As I mentioned above I was able to work out one track from the film - Fallen Tears by John Doe.  I didn't connect the two at the time, but he's the same John Doe that plays the character Sammy in the film.  

Now, John Doe and Viggo Mortensen are not only in the movie together but also happened to be married to the same woman at different times, Exene Cervenka.  Exene was part of punk band called "X."  Most of their stuff is straight punk rock and I haven't come across anything from the soundtrack yet, but if anyone can figure out who would have been in their orbit at the time I think we'll get some answers.  

Just another day in Hollyweird.

"When we are all criminals, who is free?" - The Voice

[moparstuart]

I just learned something new about this film after almost 25 years.  As I mentioned above I was able to work out one track from the film - Fallen Tears by John Doe.  I didn't connect the two at the time, but he's the same John Doe that plays the character Sammy in the film.  

Now, John Doe and Viggo Mortensen are not only in the movie together but also happened to be married to the same woman at different times, Exene Cervenka.  Exene was part of punk band called "X."  Most of their stuff is straight punk rock and I haven't come across anything from the soundtrack yet, but if anyone can figure out who would have been in their orbit at the time I think we'll get some answers.  

Just another day in Hollyweird.

"When we are all criminals, who is free?" - The Voice

She was not a Looker   

[Kern Dog]

I just learned something new about this film after almost 25 years.  As I mentioned above I was able to work out one track from the film - Fallen Tears by John Doe.  I didn't connect the two at the time, but he's the same John Doe that plays the character Sammy in the film.  

Now, John Doe and Viggo Mortensen are not only in the movie together but also happened to be married to the same woman at different times, Exene Cervenka.  Exene was part of punk band called "X."  Most of their stuff is straight punk rock and I haven't come across anything from the soundtrack yet, but if anyone can figure out who would have been in their orbit at the time I think we'll get some answers.  

Just another day in Hollyweird.

"When we are all criminals, who is free?" - The Voice

She was not a Looker   

Uhh....

[Kern Dog]

She may have been something before the war in Vietnam ended.

[Kern Dog]

Did that picture scare everyone off

[FastbackJon]

While on this topic, I've always wondered where "Riddle Idaho" was in the 1997 movie.

Turns out I just found it....

https://goo.gl/maps/rKwoYkzhiVdSymBP6

IMDB had "Williams, AZ" as one of the filming locations, so I popped onto some maps and looked for railroad tracks going over a straight road near Williams and there it is. Roughly 1587 Airport Road, Williams, AZ looking south.

Compare:

https://youtu.be/jhPWuShxIkQ

[Bronzedodge]

Time isn't kind to any of us.  She was cute in '82.

[Kern Dog]

As a man, I am lucky that as I age, I haven't turned as ugly as I could have. Time is harder on women.

[Montclaire]

Why do I get the feeling that half of the production of this movie involved, "hey, do you know anybody who..." lol

[Kern Dog]

Are you referring to drugs?

[Montclaire]

It’s Hollywood so probably, but more flying by the seat of their pants.  I wouldn’t mind hearing some stories from the director/producer. And we might get some answers on the soundtrack.